Thanks!

Hey. I have checked your account and it appears that you didn't purchase a subscription.
Users without subscription can perform only 3 free calculations per day.

Let me know if I missed something, thanks.

is a following scenario planned anytime ?

i 3bet someone (not allin) and he 4bet shoves.
result: with what hands i can call then?
ty

Hey, it is already supported. Basically ICMIZER supports any preflop scenario, only limit is maximum 2 players all-in before hero.

Here is your scenario: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#PFqE

Hero on SB 3 bets, BTN shoves 4bet

hi
thats good news, but 0 clue how you could manage to put the bets in LOL

1) how can hero in the SB make a 3bet with making just 1k? a minreraise is 1200 at least

2) when i put in the 3bet size for hero, i get the error message:
invalid spot: hero is bigger or equal to other players bet
plz change situation so hero can push or fold

ok i see

you put opponent allin (4bet allin) and give hero the 3bet size

would have loved to see an opening-4betallin chart for him although its not necessary for the calculation.
(like in the other scenario where hero gets 3bettet, hero shoves and i give opponent a 4bet allin call range).

anyway surprised and glad that this in the program too
did not know that so far hahahahah

Wow, pretty sick. Thanks for letting me know that you didn't know how to assign bets to opponents.

When you try to re-create your tournament situation in ICMIZER you can just input bets in any order. So here for this spot you assign hero 3bet first, situation becomes invalid, then you assign ALL-IN to BTN , and situation becomes valid.

Again its either already available (just hit Charts button) or I didnt quite get what you mean. Elaborate please, if hitting Chart button doesn't provide what you were reffering too.

Thanks again for your information.

Indeed I cheated a little. Scenario on my link is more like BTN limps, hero minraises, BTN pushes. But you got the idea, just assign appropriate bet sizes, and hit calculate =)

hi
thanks i got it now.

what i meant with the 4bet allin chart.

lets say he opens 50%, but 4bets allin 28%.
that i can decide with help of the chart which hands i think he does 4bet with.

(similar to the other scenario where hero 4bets shove and must give villain a call-range with the handtable): basically by changing the scroll bar adding or excluding hands

so i dont mean hitting the chart-button with that^^. but hitting the opening and 4bet allin range button (if there is one) for deciding.


as i think about it the calculation would be even greater with the following:

what program actual does: villain 4bet shoves 28%. i get the result if my call is good.
BUT if there was an opening+ 4bet allin handchart for villain i could now see if a 3bet is profitable , right?

lets say he always 4bet shoves 28% for this example: its a difference if he opens 90% or 50%. now i could see if my 3bet is profitable too?

hope this was somewhat clear
ty

Ah I think I get it. You mean you want to check whether non all-in 3 bet of hero is profitable given opponents raise range and shoving 4 bet range?

ICMIZER only can compare two decisions for hero: Push all-in or Fold currently. What you are asking would require to compare Fold and non all-in 3 bet.

It is not possible with ICMIZER currently, and not planned for near time either. Maybe sometime in future, once I finish everything thats planned

yep right. u got it


and the other thing i meant:
and what the icmizer actual does: an opening + 4betallin handchart is luxury bc its not necessary for the calculation. (just to see how much % he folds)

Thinking about purchasing ICMizer but had a question about when to use cEV and when to use $ or %ev for MTT/MTTSNG. Is $/%EV only used for bubble/FT play or throughout the whole tournament? Thanks

If you wish to see how much he folds, like how often if he raises 50% but 4 bets 20%, you can get this kind of information if you analyze simple 3 bet spot.

Just put your opponent raise first with expected range, and hero would be sitting in 3 bet position. Assign his call all-in range, and hit calculate, then go to [Detailed result]. You will be able to see how often he calls, and how often he folds actually.

ZXC99, generally cEV calculations for tournaments are always flawed. You dont get entere prizepool when you win in any MTT tournament so when you assume that you can use cEV calculations for early phase, its because you don't have other options. With ICMIZER for example you can use MTT ICM with upto 60 players. So if you are on first table of sunday million, you still just cant use MTT ICM EV% calculations, and are forced to use cEV.
Bubble factor is always greater than 1, and cEV calculations assume that bubble factor is exactly 1. Hope you get the idea.

So EV% will be used when we get closer to the bubble? And cEV for earlier stages? (sorry for such beginner questions, just want to make sure I'm comfortable with it)

No problems; beginner questions are fine.

In short, yes. ICM calculations for MTT weren't possible before ICMIZER, so everyone was just using cEV calculations for all types of spots except final table, where ICM traditionally worked.

Then people applied their own justice to ChipEV based results, and tightened them up by feel. With ICMIZER you can rely more on math, and less on feel, in spots where ICM MTT calculations are supported. So ICM EV based results will take into account actual MTT payout and tighten up results relative to your tournament situation, which is what you need in most cases.

You can of-course switch to good old ChipEV calculations, but as I say, they are always flawed when we aren't playing cash or winner take all tournament.

I am not sure if you assume that ICMIZER will do it automatically. You choose between ICM EV and Chip EV yourself. However I would suggest to use ICM based calculations when ICMIZER allows it (it supports upto 60 players remaining in MTT, so depending on number of players, bubble can actually be when there are 100 players left, and in that case ICMIZER won't be able to do anything except default chipEV calculations).

Sorry for the trouble if this has been asked million times in this thread:

If SB overcalls here, does it mean that he calls Hero's, CO's and Buttons push?

What are the columns such as BTN CALL/SB CALL etc.?

Thanks!

SB overcalls 11% when HJ (hero) and CO pushed and BTN folded.
SB overcalls 5.9% when all three pushed in front.

Hope that helps.

Hi guys, had a spot I was thinking of reviewing from a FT last year but am only getting to grips with ICMizer atm.

It is a hand from a FT, 5 handed, with a sit-out and an aggro guy raising every unopened pot and I have a rejam spot BvB. Sit-out is shortstack in CO with 10bbs

Payouts are
1st - $65,460 (38%)
2nd - $40,720 (23.5%)
3rd - $29,309 (17%)
4th - $21,361 (12.4%)
5th - $15,495 (9.1%)





[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $200 Buy-in (30,000/60,000 blinds, 6,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19220702

MP: 1,120,144 (18.7 bb)
CO: 597,574 (10 bb)
BTN: 1,357,878 (22.6 bb)
SB: 6,892,108 (114.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 832,296 (13.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K 9
3 folds, SB raises to 120,000, Hero raises to 826,296 and is all-in



I give him an inducing range of 55+,A7s+,KJs+,A7o+,KJo+ (15.4%), an open jamming range of 44-22,A6s-A2s,KTs-K2s,Q2s+,J2s+,T5s+,95s+,84s+,74s+,64s+,54s,A6o-A2o,KTo-K6o,Q7o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o (36.0%), and a raise/fold range of the rest of the deck (48.6%)

Using a spreadsheet I got these figures.



Villain opens 64%, raise/calls 15.4%, we have 32.9% equity versus his inducing range. Resteal gets through 75.94%, gets called 24.06%.

Our stack when resteal works 976296, when called and win 1742592, when called and lose 0.

Feel free to correct any mistakes.



Does this look OK so far?

Now how do I go about using ICMiser to factor in the sit-out who had disconnected?

Hey, well first of all ICMIZER supports spots where maximum 3 players are all-in. So if 3 players are all-in, everyone else is considered to auto-fold after third all-in player (OC from overcall).

So in this case when you shove as HIJ CO will call in 37% of cases.

We will have 2 players all-in. After this ICMIZER assumes that if someone else OCs, all others will fold.

So when CO calls, there are following scenarios

HIJ-CO-BTN AI, SB,BB fold
HIJ-CO-SB AI, BTN, BB fold
HIJ-CO-BB AI, BTN, SB fold
HIJ-CO- all-in, BTN,SB,BB -fold

So on your screenshot:

BTN OC 11% is for HIJ-CO-BTN AI, SB,BB fold case
SB OC 11% is for HIJ-CO-SB AI, BTN, BB fold case
BB OC 19% is for HIJ-CO-BB AI, BTN, SB fold case

If CO folds, BTN calls hero AI in 11% cases, and we get to BTN CALL column.

Now we have 3 potential outcomes

HIJ-BTN-SB AI, BB fold
HIJ-BTN-BB AI, SB fold
HIJ-BTN- all-in, SB,BB -fold

In this column, when CO folds and BTN pushes

SB OC 5.9% is for HIJ-BTN-SB AI, BB fold case
BB OC 7.1% is for HIJ-BTN-BB AI, SB fold case

It should be clear now I hope. If not, don't hesitate to ask.

mashxx, I think your answer could be worded incorrectly, but it doesn't sound very clear to me if you mean exactly what I describe above.

Hey, good question, since it contains all information which I need to recreate this spot in ICMIZER.

Here is the recreated spot:
http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#uPKR

Note that SB raise shows 65%, I edited the range to include exactly hands which you stated.

Then his CA range versus your shove shows as 15%.

K9o is +EV shove and shows +274$ to me instead of what you have on screenshot.

You can then hit [K9o detailed result] button, and see all details there.

You will see that ICMIZER calculated all probabilities more accurately.
Our bust probability is 14.9%, we are called in 22.44% of cases ( this takes into account card removal effect, our K in hand helps to get more folds).

Hope it makes things clear.

Thanks, this makes perfect sense now.

Glad to help =)

Missed this part. Currently its not possible to set someone on 0% range making sure he won't interfere. When I answer this question I recommend to set all ranges for this player to AA (0.45%), it will guarantee that results will be pretty good and not really affected by his accidental "impossible" calls /pushes with AA only.

Its planned to add support for sitout players though.

how much is the daily calculaton limit btw? i use it a lot, but never reached it.
when i do reviewing i reach 100 i'd say. if its close to that a removal would be great, but unless i dont reach it its not necessary imo

Non-increased limit for subscribers is 150 calcs per day.
When someone hits it I increase limit on request within hours usually, sometimes minutes.

This limit is mostly for informational purposes. Hitting it lets people know that I am aware of their activity and to prevent account sharing.

In ICMIZER license is per user, not per computer. Any subscribed user is eligible to unlimited number of calcs per day.

hey

great program.

Till now everthing worked fine. But at the moment (I noticed this yesterday) I can't do calculations with the icm calculator window (ICMIZER -> ICM Calculator) http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps2b078db5.png.
If I press on calculate just nothing will happen. All other functions are working!! Just don't know whats wrong ?

This (everthing working but unable to calculate in the ICM Calculator window) happens with ICMIZER and also with Opera, IE and Chrome - browser.
Safari can't load the ICMIZER - starting page and shows an error message (http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8d8827ef.jpg).

Fantomaaas, hey.

I'll investigate ICM calculator problem. Generally now there is a new and arguably easier to use ICM calculator available here: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmcalculator/

About Safari, I never tried ICMIZER in safari. Tried today and there is this problem. I'll try to fix it although Safari on windows is like least popular browser choice ever so far. Its been probably not working for a while, and you are the first one to report it.

I've investigated this issue. Unfortunately Silverlight plugin is not supported in Safari for Windows. It is supported in Safari for Mac though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Silverlight

So you can use ICMIZER from other browsers, or a downloadable version.