hey bbfreak, thanks for input.

Well let me make a wild games about your games: no opponents are following SngWizard model ranges either. Since wizard bases ranges on simple lookup table based only on stacks and positions and ignores payout structure (tourney type) Nash ranges from Icmizer are by far superiour to its random guesses.

I am not sure what are your goals when you load massive hands in wizard, if you ever care about how opponents are supposed to play in any spot, it will take you ages to set up a hand to match nash ranges, and adjust from there.

So if you do not edit ranges, wiz will provide you with a lot of wrong advice in a short period time. However the goal is to get good advice, not a lot of semi good (or simply bad, cause not only ranges are disconnected from reality, but calculations are seriously flawed) advice, or?


You can load a lot of hands in ICMIZER (hundreds) if you go to HM and select hands, then right click and choose copy hands. Then you can get Precise Results and take advantage of nash rangesm unrestricted range editing, saved ranges and other powerful ICMIZER features.


That said, I do plan to work on bulk analysis improvements in upcoming versions, which will happen this summer I would hope, after FGS.

As for smarter opponent modeling, thats also something I am pondering, but first let me release what I have planned and promised for long.

Hmm not sure what is that but you can either hit [ICM calculator] button to get stacks EV or [AA detailed result] to get all information about calculation: ICM EV/chip EV, hero bust probability, win/lose/tie probabilities, etc.

Or if thats not it, could you elaborate that quote more.

Thanks.

Hello,
i have a serious problem since 2 days.

I cannot login and there is no error message. Nothing happens and i cannot use ICMizer i even wrote u an email still waiting for a reply.. please help me.
It always worked for weeks and month but now it doesnt..

Hey Oljieha I have replied to email, everything appears to be fine with your account.
I think most likely reason is that you forgot your password, cause everything really is fine about your acc.

I have reset your password and can log in, so you should be too. (check new password in email)

Thanks, and please don't wait 2 days, send email immediately same day you experience a problem.

hm i did not say i blindly follow sngwiz ranges. ofc that would be a big reviewing leak

the correct play (nash) is sometimes extreme.
for me the opponent model "tight" is more realistic basis than nash.

there are spots where i can push 100% as the leader and others can just call 3%. but thats unrealistic^^. but they call at least 10% (not rarely wider) which drastically reduces my pushrange.

or 2 fish sb-bb instead of 80% push. 50% call. they more have 35% and 20%.

overcall ranges are wider too in reality.

for me its rather misleading to know what is correct. i catched me several times saying when a tight fish showed a tophand the 100th time "ok at least i made a nash call". in reality most dont push that wide like nash
but thats my fault then

its nice to know whats correct play, but when nobody follows it i dont get why nash ranges are better than the opponent model.
and wiz does consider payouts, ranges always change.

so ofc the wiz models are inaccurate and following it will destroy your BR. but sometimes its quite realistic according to my experience what the guys show up with.

reality: guys
call wider. push less. no any2 push scenarios (bc nobody can fold AK), no tight (1-2%) overcalls.

so i'd say a deviation of around 25%^^. in my games
33% push insteaf of 44. push 12% instead of 15. overcalls always at least 4%

ofc its impossible to implement a fish-KI for realistic ranges
nothing can replace tedious work.
what i am really unhappy with though are the overcall ranges. 1% is ridic.
in a perfect word there is a button: "at least 4% overcall" haha
1% is kk+. show me someone who folds tt+ and ak at lowstakes ;-)

looks like an usepost again, i try not to post much in future ;-)
no offense or anything. i am just a lowstakes donk. i like icmizer
the problem is just: i grew up with sngwiz, it was basically my baby milk; thats why i am much faster with it, for now.
but i love the unique features and improvements on icmizer a lot


edit: the % you asked:

its what the stack is currently worth: easy example. at beginning of 6max its 16.6666%.
yes its the icm calculator. i guess it'd be too confusing to put this into the main page

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4148/ranges.jpg

to show what i mean about the more realistic ranges.
in icmizer i have to change everyone including the change of the 1% OC.
in wiz the overcalls seem reasonable and the tight opponent model too.

Hey bbfreak I thank you for all the feedback and dont worry, I am excited about ICMIZER and learning user experience is very helpful and valuable so dont shy away from future posts.

Well that is right, even a broken (stopped) clock shows correct time twice per day.

About your screenshot: http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4148/ranges.jpg

Important ranges are ones, that affect most likely events. So wizard suggests that call ranges against shoves are very wide.

Vs UTG shove BB calls 10%, SB calls 8.3%, BTN 7%, CO 7%. This leads to UTG shove range being 5.1%, which means that call BB call range is 2x wider than utg shoving range, which is of-course seriously wrong.

Call ranges in ICMIZER make much more sense, noone is going to call UTG shove with 10% here from the BB, its not 2006 unfortunately and poker players are much more skilled this days, even low stakes fishes.

Since they make more sense, push ranges also appear reasonable, you dont observe push ranges being 2x tighter than call ranges.

Also note that due to simple table ranges lookup wiz assigns same range for BTN call against UTG shove, as against CO shove, which is obviously a mistake, as he will be calling tighter against earlier shove.

Remember that call ranges against hero shove affect results the most.
Overcall ranges on other hands arent nearly as important. Out of curiousity I have replaced all OC ranges which were 0.9% to 2.3% as you suggest.

UTG shoving range changed only by 1%: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#Dgqs

For other positions effect will be even smaller. So you can be pretty certain that OC ranges provided by ICMIZER after nash are pretty good and won't affect your decisions seriously. (note that in cases where you raise or face a raise Nash doesn't work yet, and you need to manually fix OC).

So I would say your example that was supposed to prove that wiz ranges in this spot are better, actually proves my point. Although that is my opinion.

I agree with what you are saying about low stakes, Nash ranges are much more likely to be found in high stakes games, and ICMIZER is actively used by high stakes regulars.

It means that for lower stake games it would usually require a little more range editing.

Btw are you aware of drag & drop range cloning feature in ICMIZER? If you want to copy say BB call range vs BTN push to BB call range vs CO push you can just drag and drop range cell, without opening range editor. I cover it in my video "10 icmizer features you should know about", which you can find on YouTube. It might help you with your range editing.

hi
thanks very much that you took your time to answer me
i reread and think about your post thoroughly tomorrow, too tired now^^. but it made perfect sense to me.
10% for a bb vs utg 6way is imo not too much , you wonder what some guys show up with^^ in sng-mtt. 10% is just 55+ AT+ A8s+. even a reg called me for 8bb with 66 at a FR table: 9way and i was utg+2 oO without ante

yep i saw the video and know the drag & drop feature. i re-watch it, since i dont remember some other secret features

I have found a problem that was introduced in new version and fixed it, so it shouldn't happen any more.

If you experience this message again during some calculation, please send me a support request with exact spot (stacks, ranges etc) description & screenshot.

Hey Q, thx for the great update.

Is it possible for ICMizer to calculate how much EV bb/100 is worth for certain push/fold action?

Also, do u plan to add raise/fold equilibrium range like the one in holdemresources calculator?

Hey Hangson, your welcome.

EV bb/100 sounds a little strange. Main purpose is ICM calculations, which don't deal with BB. So if you run chip calculation, you get chips, and those can be transferred into BBs. But I guess if you are really curious you can perform this calculation pretty easily, divide by BB , multiply by 100.

As for nash equilibrium for not only open all-in situations, yep, thats planned.
No eta yet, but faster than named ranges took, for sure.

Push fold charts finally updated in v1.3

Before you could only build charts in mostly heads up spots

• Now you can build chart in any situation. Choose any opponents range (push, call or overcall) to see how his behavior will affect your Hands EV or your plus EV shoving range
• You can select different hand rankings to control how charts are built
• Both charts are now clickable, and you can copy point related data to clipboard with ease
• More dots on charts, so you can clearly see where exactly your Hand EV becomes negative

hi
today i had this spot

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8...linsbehind.jpg

i 0 understand the text message.
the "then" should be "than" !?

i thought icmizer can handle 2 allins behind me?
ty

Thanks, clearly a bug (and a typo), will fix soon.

I'm having a problem where the big blind is automatically set to 100% calling range when I am adjusting the chipstack from the sb or button. When I type in the first number of say '400' it reads it as 4 automatically and classes the bb as not having a decision. This does not change when I fill in the next two zeros.

In image 1 I have the bb range at 38%.



When I try to change button stack in image 2 the bb automatically jumps to 100% when I type the 4 of 4000 and doesn't revert back. It's very cumbersome to have to readjust ranges every time I change the stack.

Hey sheeprustler.

I understand what you describe, yes indeed thats how it works right now.

When there is a very short stack before BB, BB call range against him is always 100%, so that is a correct behavior.

I am not sure if I can find a way to fix this behavior without confusing everyone though.

Hi Q,

I just purchased a month of icmizer i have never used it before. Im going to be using it for 180 sngs mostly for 2-4 table use.. I have a quick question when using it in ICM dollar mode, with say 30 players left what do i need do in order for it to work properly.

I copy the hand from pt4 onto my clipboard, then paste it onto icmizer, then i select mtt, enter the number of players left then i have to put in the amount of chips left in the tournament manually i guess? Is there anything else i need to do, let me know, thanks!

Cheers,
Damir

Hey oldskool87

Just make sure that you have MTT mode on, and chips sum is equal to 270000 (1500*180), and on MTT control Remaining players is set to say 30, in your case.

Choose PS 180 man (27 paid) payout and you are basically set and ready to go.

Please refer to this article regarding this MTT icm calculator for details: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en...cm-calculator/

Could you highlight whats the most unclear, so I could record a video overviewing this MTT calculator feature.

Cheers,
Q

Hey Q,

Thanks for the quick reply! Ok that makes so much sense now! Its so simple but it just didn't click for me.. the number of chips never changes just the way they are distributed. I knew it was much easier then i thought it was.

Oh I never saw the article had a I seen that it would have made sense right away. Well since id never used an icm tool before i just wanted to make sure i understood exactly what i was doing so that i didnt come up with some strange calculation, but i think after looking at the article everything is explained very well. I suppose you could make a video but the article may even be better then a video would be, since you can just scroll to the section you want. Thats just my 2 cents though!

Thanks,
Damir

Hi, do you guys currently offer a free trial?


I couldn't find that info on the thread.

Hey CaulDRON_of_WisDoM,

For registered users (registration can be done here: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/signup/) ICMIZER can be used for free to perform 3 calculations per day. This is a form of infinite trial.

Another way to try it out is to purchase for 3 or more months, use it, and then use money back guarantee if you feel ICMIZER wasn't for you (during first month of after purchase).

Other forms of trial currently aren't available.

Thanks,
Q

how many computers is the key valid for? I am using my gamer whilst I type this, however I most of the time revise hands on the laptop.
So I need to know where I can make a test purchase from.

Also, does your credit card option accept debit card ?

I want to avoid unnecessary Paypal fees. Thanks.

Hey,

ICMIZER keys do not lock to some type of computer/hardware etc.
It can work from any computer, as long as you are not sharing your account with others you are fine.

I am not sure, but I would expect it to support debit cards.

hello, my other laptop I did this and can't remember how.
How do I direct a default directory for icmizer to look everytime I want to open the program?

If you are talking about opening files, then I believe it automatically remembers latest used folder.

There are no other ways currently, basically due to silverlight security restrictions.

uhmm... my new laptop isn't doing this, so I must have some different settings here? my last one remembered this better, even though this is a better laptop?