do you think you could make instaed of select one range X select a range of the range?
For exemple now him push 60% , would be really good if we can choose i will push at least 45% and never more than 70%
What is the equity of my hand if him push from 45 to 70%

No, that doesn't sound like something I would consider adding.

If anything, you can do both calculations yourself, and then make some assumptions from produced results.

However if you wish to plot equity of hand vs different ranges you can check out Hand EV chart ( available for heads up mostly, but it is planned to expand this feature availability for larger variety of spots).

Awesome, thanks

hi
thought you implement the limp feature for every position. not just sb-bb
for example mp3 limps. i am in sb : shove. and give mp3 a limp and a call range
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Hey bbfreak.

Thats exactly the huge release I am currently working at.
It will include support for ALL imaginable preflop spots.

limps, raises, allins, auto allins, reraises and combinations.

Like: limp limp co raise, btn re-raise, sb allin and hero on BB.
Or: raise reraise hero sb and bb is auto allin.

taking more than expected but it will be huge, I planned it for April, but running late on schedule, its very close to being complete now, took a lot of time to make so its 95% done.

Does the software support ipoker?

It should I believe.

Could you post hands you are having trouble with?
Or send me to support email, i'll have a look.

Q does this support micro gaming? so when I am exporting hands directly from the software it looks like this

** Hand # 4877756778 starting - 2013-05-03 20:38:18
** Turbo, Rebuy (€1,500 Guaranteed)[9465857]:Table 2 [Multi Table Hold'em] (15|30 NL - MTT) Real Money

VamoTche sitting in seat 1 with 5970.00
Mordana sitting in seat 2 with 4900.00
almacman sitting in seat 3 with 6050.00[Dealer]
river4ever sitting in seat 4 with 2990.00
ALMUN sitting in seat 5 with 5940.00
RAS_MUS sitting in seat 6 with 4210.00
PKRKINGS1 sitting in seat 7 with 5380.00
kallebe20 sitting in seat 8 with 3560.00
-laplasi sitting in seat 9 with 3000.00
river4ever posted the small blind - 15.00
ALMUN posted the big blind - 30.00

** Dealing cards to -laplasi: 10s, 6c
RAS_MUS folded
PKRKINGS1 folded
kallebe20 folded
-laplasi folded
VamoTche folded
Mordana folded
almacman folded
river4ever called - 15.00
ALMUN checked

** Dealing the flop: Ks, 8d, 4h
river4ever bet - 30.00
ALMUN folded
river4ever mucks:
river4ever wins 90.00 from the main pot

and when I am exporting microgaming's hands from the hm2 it looks like this

----PRIMA.DAT----

<Game hhversion="3" id="4874698876" date="2013-05-01 00:29:51" unicodetablename="UgBpAHMAawAgAEYAcgBlAGUAIABXAFMA TwBQACAARgByAGUAZQB6AGUAbwB1AHQAIABMADEAWwA5ADQANA AwADkAMQAxAF0AOgBUAGEAYgBsAGUAIAAyAA==" tablename="Risk Free WSOP Freezeout L1[9440911]:Table 2" stakes="20|40" betlimit="NL" tabletype="MTT" gametypeid="1" gametype="Multi Table Hold&apos;em" realmoney="true" currencysymbol="" playerseat="8" betamount="554000" istournament="1" totalplayers="8" tablesize="9" badbeat="false">
<Seats>
<Seat num="1" alias="_jagguar_" unicodealias="XwBqAGEAZwBnAHUAYQByAF8A" balance="3910.00" endbalance="3910.00"/>
<Seat num="2" alias="eus818" unicodealias="ZQB1AHMAOAAxADgA" balance="2740.00" endbalance="2740.00"/>
<Seat num="3" alias="stuarteales" unicodealias="cwB0AHUAYQByAHQAZQBhAGwAZQBzAA==" balance="3100.00" endbalance="3100.00"/>
<Seat num="4" alias="devkane" unicodealias="ZABlAHYAawBhAG4AZQA=" balance="1455.00" endbalance="0.00" dealer="true"/>
<Seat num="6" alias="Donliam1" unicodealias="RABvAG4AbABpAGEAbQAxAA==" balance="1420.00" endbalance="1400.00"/>
<Seat num="7" alias="holdunna" unicodealias="aABvAGwAZAB1AG4AbgBhAA==" balance="1500.00" endbalance="1460.00"/>
<Seat num="8" alias="-laplasi" unicodealias="LQBsAGEAcABsAGEAcwBpAA==" balance="5540.00" endbalance="7055.00"/>
<Seat num="9" alias="martin800742" unicodealias="bQBhAHIAdABpAG4AOAAwADAANwA0ADIA" balance="3280.00" endbalance="3280.00"/>
</Seats>
<Gameplay>
<Action seq="1" type="SmallBlind" seat="6" value="20.00"/>
<Action seq="2" type="BigBlind" seat="7" value="40.00"/>
<Action seq="3" type="DealCards" seat="8">
<Card value="K" suit="h" id="51"/>
<Card value="6" suit="d" id="31"/>
</Action>
<Action seq="4" type="AllIn" seat="8" value="5540.00"/>
<Action seq="5" type="Fold" seat="9"/>
<Action seq="6" type="Fold" seat="1"/>
<Action seq="7" type="Fold" seat="2"/>
<Action seq="8" type="Fold" seat="3"/>
<Action seq="9" type="AllIn" seat="4" value="1455.00"/>
<Action seq="10" type="Fold" seat="6"/>
<Action seq="11" type="Fold" seat="7"/>
<Action seq="12" type="MoneyReturned" seat="8" value="4085.00"/>
<Action seq="13" type="ShowCards" seat="4">
<Card value="Q" suit="c" id="24"/>
<Card value="K" suit="c" id="25"/>
</Action>
<Action seq="14" type="ShowCards" seat="8">
<Card value="K" suit="h" id="51"/>
<Card value="6" suit="d" id="31"/>
</Action>
<Action seq="15" type="DealFlop">
<Card value="J" suit="c" id="23"/>
<Card value="6" suit="h" id="44"/>
<Card value="7" suit="d" id="32"/>
</Action>
<Action seq="16" type="DealTurn">
<Card value="5" suit="c" id="17"/>
</Action>
<Action seq="17" type="DealRiver">
<Card value="10" suit="d" id="35"/>
</Action>
<Action seq="18" type="ShowCards" seat="8">
<Card value="K" suit="h" id="51"/>
<Card value="6" suit="d" id="31"/>
</Action>
<Action type="Win">
<Seat num="8" amount="2970.00" pot="0" type="" lowhandwin="0"/>
</Action>
</Gameplay>
</Game>

ExtendedTableName: Risk Free WSOP Freezeout L1[9440911]:Table 2 [9440911]

but I can't import it in the icmizer ...

Hey, nope microgaming is currently not in list.

Currently supported formats are PokerStars, Full Tilt, PartyPoker, Merge, Ongame, 888 Pacific, HoldemManager & some forum formats.

I could add support later, if people are actually playing there, but not in near month for sure, too busy with this current release which is so late.

thanks, can you give me the examples of the format of the hands which the icm is parsing correctly and I will try to write the parser from microgaming to this fortmat... But first I need the tests(nearly every possible scenario) to do this. I really need it.

Hey Q, about those limp shoving EV, I know there is a problem with rounding your average gain when checking cause then we completely ignore ICM and that's why you mentioned it's mostly for HU.

Do you think that adding std deviation of limp/checked pots could solve that problem? Of course I'm not sure how much this could be useful to many but would like to hear you thought about it. Something like making many discrete points with weight factors into it.

Also, I mainly ask this to see how much do you think mistake is because of that in your opinion (lower and upper bound).

ginandbread,
Well, first of all , what exactly is the problem you are trying to solve?

I say that this spot is mostly for HU, because in headsup it will happen FAR MORE OFTEN than in ANY tournament, because you rarely get it folded to SB in MTT or SNG, and when you do, they rarely limp.

When you use a non Headsup payout structure, EV of check is calculated using ICM formula, on resulting stack value. For example if it was 3 handed and stacks were 1500, and blinds were 100/50, and you estimate that you lose -0.6BB, ICMIZER will run ICM calculation for spot where stacks result in 1500BTN, 1560SB, 1440BB(hero) and use that value for EvCheck.

So I dont quite understand what you are proposing, elaborate please.

ICMIZER supports a lot of formats, for example PokerStars or FullTilt.
You can basically just convert hand only upto PS header, including right stacks, positions and blinds, like this:

PokerStars Hand #982907617: Tournament #7300397, $28.83+$1.17 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (60/120) - 2013/05/08 12:56:26 PT [2013/05/08 15:56:26 ET]
Table '730039738 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: player1 (702 in chips)
Seat 5: player2 (907 in chips)
Seat 6: Tryllefeen (1391 in chips)
player1: posts the ante 12
player2: posts the ante 12
Tryllefeen: posts the ante 12

If you copy paste this and parse in ICMIZER it will load stacks & blinds.
I have bolded out important data that is used for stacks & blinds discovery, rest you can just leave intact cause its unimportant.

just would like to note that ICMIZER has a superior support, really amazed how qick they are solving any problem. Keep up the good work

Problem is when we say our estimate is -0.6BB, ICMIZER takes 1440 chips for ICM calculation but in real life -0.6BB on average means that we could also
for example 50% of time lose all of our chips and 50% we win 2880 chips. Real truth is somewhere in between.

Using 1500, 1560, 1440 stacks out CHECK EV in 6max is 32.34

If we use my example (50% lose all, 50% gain 2880 chips) our check EV would be (our EV with stacks 1500, 120, 2880 = 53.41) so our
CHECK EV = 50% * 53,41 = 26.70


These are two extreme cases and I think it could be misleading to use check EV this way in non heads up SNG-os cause we'll be overvalueing CHECK EV everytime we use it.

Oks right I get it now. There is certain unlinearity in raw "-0.6BB" statistic when we are in ICM tournament spot agreed.

I guess not much can be done about it, except adjusting -EV more by feel or some kind of prediction.

PSM , futur hands feature is getting looong time hehe

Sure is.
Heck. well new big update will be ready ~next week.
So stay tuned, will be pretty exciting.

Beta version of this big update I promised is ready finally

It includes:

Beta version of update, which I described yesterday is ready!

Check it out. Let me know what you think about it, or if you experience any errors. All feedback is very welcome.

• Literally all potential preflop spots are now supported

This includes auto-allin because of blinds (BB, SB or ANTE), squeezes, multiple limps, raise-reraises, 5 bets, raise -raise -allins, etc.

• Hero range is now displayed
• Opponent ranges visual layout has been completely reworked

Please note that beta only works on site via provided link, you cannot download it yet.

Can be found here: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizerbeta/

Looks awesome!!

Awesome squeeze spots added

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<session sessioncode="6051603994">
<general>
<mode>real</mode>
<gametype>Holdem NL</gametype>
<tablename>$20,000 Guaranteed R/A, 805465733</tablename>
<tournamentcurrency></tournamentcurrency>
<duration>02:03</duration>
<gamecount>101</gamecount>
<startdate>2013-05-12 18:00:35</startdate>
<currency>USD</currency>
<nickname>Originalbuffy</nickname>
<bets>18,040</bets>
<wins>8,540</wins>
<chipsin>6,000</chipsin>
<chipsout>0</chipsout>
<ipoints>125</ipoints>
<statuspoints>25</statuspoints>
<awardpoints>125</awardpoints>
<is_asian>[is_asian]</is_asian>
<tournamentname>$20,000 Guaranteed R/A</tournamentname><place>360</place><buyin>$10.00+$1.00</buyin> <totalbuyin></totalbuyin> <ipoints>125</ipoints> <win>$0.00</win> <statuspoints>25</statuspoints> <awardpoints>125</awardpoints>
</general>
<game gamecode="4803558013">
<general>
<startdate>2013-05-12 20:03:24</startdate>
<players>
<player seat="1" name="Alnit" chips="15,868" dealer="0" win="0" bet="25" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="2" name="deliriumdevi" chips="3,361" dealer="0" win="0" bet="25" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="3" name="Originalbuffy" chips="3,272" dealer="1" win="0" bet="3,120" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="4" name="gnnhhhhhhh" chips="3,120" dealer="0" win="6,665" bet="3,120" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="5" name="psr70487182" chips="5,913" dealer="0" win="0" bet="275" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="6" name="foldxxREALLY1" chips="3,510" dealer="0" win="0" bet="25" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="8" name="cedarred" chips="8,863" dealer="0" win="0" bet="25" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="9" name="UbeckiSynEsbeka" chips="6,949" dealer="0" win="0" bet="25" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="10" name="gmac187" chips="2,335" dealer="0" win="0" bet="25" rebuy="0" addon="0"/>
</players>
</general>
<round no="0">
<action no="7" player="Alnit" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="8" player="deliriumdevi" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="9" player="Originalbuffy" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="1" player="gnnhhhhhhh" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="10" player="gnnhhhhhhh" type="1" sum="125" cards="[cards]"/><action no="2" player="psr70487182" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="11" player="psr70487182" type="2" sum="250" cards="[cards]"/><action no="3" player="foldxxREALLY1" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="4" player="cedarred" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="5" player="UbeckiSynEsbeka" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/><action no="6" player="gmac187" type="15" sum="25" cards="[cards]"/>
</round>
<round no="1">
<cards type="Pocket" player="Alnit">X X</cards><action no="16" player="Alnit" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="deliriumdevi">X X</cards><action no="17" player="deliriumdevi" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Originalbuffy">C2 S2</cards><action no="18" player="Originalbuffy" type="23" sum="500" cards=""/><action no="21" player="Originalbuffy" type="3" sum="2,595" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="gnnhhhhhhh">DA SK</cards><action no="19" player="gnnhhhhhhh" type="23" sum="3,095" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="psr70487182">X X</cards><action no="20" player="psr70487182" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="foldxxREALLY1">X X</cards><action no="12" player="foldxxREALLY1" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="cedarred">X X</cards><action no="13" player="cedarred" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="UbeckiSynEsbeka">X X</cards><action no="14" player="UbeckiSynEsbeka" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="gmac187">X X</cards><action no="15" player="gmac187" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/>
</round>
<round no="2">
<cards type="Flop" player="">S6 HA D8</cards>
</round>
<round no="3">
<cards type="Turn" player="">HK</cards>
</round>
<round no="4">
<cards type="River" player="">HQ</cards>
</round>

</game>

The is a ipoker HH copied from HEM that I couldnt get to work in icmizer, could you take a look Q?

Could you tell me what kind of format that is?
Looking at cards <cards type="Flop" player="">S6 HA D8</cards>, thats not a format that is currently supported.

I am working on PT4 IPOKER format right now, which uses similar weird card encoding, but this isn't PT4 Ipoker hand.

I would need a bigger pack of hands like this to add support of them. Could you post them please?
Thanks.

Hi Q

Its from HEM1 I just copied to clipboard and uploaded assume its a XML output.

I will post some more hands later maybe PM you to not spam thread

Hi there!

Is there an option to calculate equilibrium ranges in situations with a raise?