So i had a question that i hope you guys can answer as i noticed this when comparing some data from Icimizer 2. I just want to know if im wrong, and if so how.

So i compared 5 MTTs where we are in the final 5 players.

The first is a 1500 runner field
The second is a 300 runner field
The third is a 45 runner field

Now the jump between 5th and 4th in terms of buy ins would be significantly larger in larger field Mtts. I believed this would lead to higher level of icm in larger field final tables.

Is this thinking wrong? Because based on the calculations i made there is no difference?

So there would be no difference in ranges from the WSOP Main Event final table to a 45 man 10k event final table? even though it could be 100 buy ins in the first example and only 3 in the second?!

I hope this is clear. Can you please tell me why there is no change?

Thanks in advance
Ben

Hi I am new to this site. So I hope I am getting this post done right.

I wanted to know how to calculate ICM ev when more than one table. For example. I played a sattie where they gave 12 tickets and there was 15 players left. I was in 10th atm, and was dealt 77 from EP and didn't know to push or fold. I thought I could fold into a ticket and wanted to check ICM ev of this spot.

I tried to create tournament, set prize pool, click MTT mode, appropriate players remaining and stacksizes. But when go do a calculation, I get funky results. Like shove basicly atc when there are shorter stacks and I am projected to win a ticket. Risk seems high when unnecessary. So I figured I did something wrong.

I spent hours trying to customize and get this to work but nothing working. I get frustrated with it. Watched Q, but I can't seem to follow him. His accent fine, he just too smart and assumes I know more than I do as a given *i guess. The other video (no accent guy), is way worse, and I just want like step by step instuctions on how to get an ICM ev calc with 15 left and 12 paid.

If anyone can help or send me a "good" link, I greatly appreciate it!

Hi

Well, it sounds like you did everything correctly. With 12 tickets and 15 remaining you should be getting something along the following lines: everyone open-pushes super wide and no one calls that.
That's how the optimal play looks like.
The real players do not fold as much as they should and can call with some premium hands like QQ which often are still folds in such a bubbly sattie situation.
If you post a screenshot of your result or a link (calculate -> share this result) I'd be able to help even more.

Just remember that this the type of situation with the strongest ICM pressure possible and oftentimes calling even with AA is a bad idea.

Hi Ben

There should be SOME difference but it can be indeed smaller than you've expected. If you post screenshots (F12) or links to saved result I'd be able to help more.
Note that the stack structure at your table is very important and you do not mention it, are you checking same stacks, different sized stacks, something in between?

Thanks Q,
I appreciate the help. I tried again to do an ICM calculation. I hope you can see the image. Basically I had 4BB and was UTG 8 handed. There was 40 left and 36 paid. So instead of making a custom tourney, I just got as close as i could with the 180 on PokerStars. The payouts are only 27 so I made it 31 left to have same amount of spots till making the money.
I shoved KTo but got knocked out. I did the calc and it says just a bit too loose. Can you tell me if this looks good.
Also, since this is the Nash Equilibrium range, should I always be shoving the whole range or should I consider folding the break/even and other weaker hands in the range?
I will try to paste below. Thanks again for the help

Would be nice if you could import tourney payout structures from a spreadsheet or some sort of copy-paste feature instead of manually entering the structure.

Would also be nice if you could run both $EV and cEV simultaneously and display side-by-side to easily compare how they differ.

Also, any way to copy a computed range for Hero so you can easily paste it elsewhere?

Hi Chadox78

Generally, I recommend recreating the actual situation when possible so the results are as close as they can possibly be.
So in this case it would be better if you actually created a new tournament and entered the 40 left with 36 paid.
However your approximate approach also works and should give an idea.
Yes, I managed to open the screenshot:


The approximate approach works if all approximations are taken care of.
In your case you didn't adjust the total sum of chips so it stayed at 270000, but should've been higher.

With 270000 your table ended up having >1/3 of total chips meaning that all stacks are quite big. In reality though the average stack at the table is 13000 so the approximate number of remaining chips should be greater than 400000 and it makes stacks at our table relatively smaller.

So here is how I'd do the approximate approach:


And the Nash/Calculation result for you:


Regarding min EV diff for MTT, I recommend anything green, so even +0.00% at times make sense, although zeros can be folded.
+0.01% in MTT often is huge in terms of ROI and usually shouldn't be missed.

Also I strongly recommend to make manual adjustments to Nash solution and then to calculate in order to get best results.
Since real world players rarely follow Nash these adjustments are often key getting best results out of ICMIZER in order to find most exploitative strategies.

Hi EggsMcBluffin

Thank you for your suggestions.
We're pretty strict with our selection for the new features.
The idea to make tournament creation easier sounds good, but we do not currently have any great implementation ideas which could be helpful for a significant percentage of our users.
Spreadsheet source doesn't sound like something many customers can have as the source for payout creation so it is unlikely to be added.

Regarding comparing ICM results vs ChipEV results, usually I strongly recommend using only ICM wherever possible, so this doesn't seem to be a good feature to have to me.

Regarding copying computed range, yes that is easy, just click the copy button in the lower right corner of ICMIZER near the calculated range string.

https://gyazo.com/7fcd9459e8fdea1f89180fe59bcdcbf5

What do I have to put on this two space ? I just put 9 because there were 9 players left, and I summed all players bounties,but I don't know if it is correct

Hi

Please refer to this article section where I describe the correct process in detail:
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/pro...HandsInICMIZER

In short, you enter the TOTAL number of players & the knockout size from the buy-in description (typically half buyin without rake) in these fields.
Also make sure to enter ALL payouts, not just 9 in order to get correct calculation results.

Also I recommend to watch this video where I describe everything regarding PKO tournaments in detail:
https://youtu.be/5w_iguZl2IY

Hello, I am having difficulty viewing a tourney in nitro. I export the file from DriveHUD, and paste into ICMIZIER,but the hands will appear in the second tab to be gone through individually, and nothing appears under the analysis tab. Any ideas?

Hi
Make sure that the hands that you are loading are compatible with push fold analysis, i.e are from the late stage of the tournament.
Refer to this article to learn more about compatible hands:
https://icmizer.zendesk.com/hc/en-us...lysis-feature-

Hi,

After multiple attempts, I am beginning to see hh’s appear in nitro, however it is displaying the incorrect hero. The software is choosing a different hero and this is obviously affecting the analysis. Any ideas what this could be? I have many push/fold opportunities in the hh’s, it’s just not displaying correctly, as stated above.

Hi

The hero should be chosen correctly of course.
Please forward your hand history files to support@icmpoker.com and we will figure the problem out asap.

Q, can i purchase a quarterly membership for $60 and then within the three months pay the difference, which would be $100, to get the full year, since i am low on cash atm?

Also i think you are grilling us pretty hard with the prices and i have heard that you may be increasing the price with version 3... Please can you look for ways to offer your customers more value

For example charge $75 for a year of icmizer, with separate add-ons for the replayer and SNG coach for $40 each, this allows some customers to only pay for what they really need and the players whom use all three components will still pay the same price

And making your other add-ons available to Pro users only is kinda stingy IMO, I would be interested in a years plan for Nitro for example but never use the replayer and seldom use Coach... let us pick and choose more democratically. And i'm sure that the Nitro add-on has a lot of overhead but $15 a month for that single add-on is too much

Hi. Please send this request via email to support@icmpoker.com and mention this thread.

ICMIZER 3 will offer huge value and we've been working on it for the last 4 years. ICMIZER price is not an expense but an investment in professional software, that allows poker players to earn more and to move up in stakes.
We haven't changed the prices since the initial release in 2012 so the time has finally come. Even the inflation over those 7 years was pretty significant.

I understand that it can not be worth it for someone who isn't playing enough, like a gym membership price for someone who isn't going there, but for all serious tournament players from literally any stakes, investing in ICMIZER will have a huge ROI.

FWIW, the last sentence is not a guarantee of sorts, but my opinion based on the evidence available to me and numerous reports from various clients over the years of working on ICMIZER.

Sorry if this has already been covered at some point. I would like to evaluate a spot from a live MTT, where about 1,000 of an original 2,500 players remained, and 378 spots were paid.

I've created a custom tournament with the appropriate prize structure. However, when I click MTT Mode, it seems I can't indicate remaining players greater than 100 (there were about 1000 players left when I played this hand). Is there a way to do this? Thank you.

I agree with what you are saying Q and i am a big fan of the software; but there are ways to give more value to your valued customer without affecting your bottom line like having more specific subscriptions as in make the default Icmizer package a lower price without the replayer or SNG coach and having the ability to analyze PKO hands that are not final table

Hi brunellj

Currently, there's a limit of 100 players in MTT mode in ICMIZER.
We plan to lift it pretty soon to support more situations, probably after the release of ICMIZER 3 though.

After the latest update "heros" hand doesn't always change when I load a new hand history. The stack sizes adjust properly but not the actual hand I had in a given hand. Not sure if this is a problem on ICMIZERs end or the HH files themselves but it only just started happening after the latest ICMIZER update.

Hi
It sounds like some hand history format has changed.
Please forward the hands that you are loading and having troubles with to support@icmpoker.com and we will fix it asap.

Our CDN provider is experiencing an outage right now and ICMIZER is currently affected.
The problem status can be seen here: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
Sorry for the inconvenience.

We've deployed an update which should fix problems with ACR or WPN hands due to an apparent recent change in their format.
If you run into any troubles while loading hands in ICMIZER, please forward them to us at support@icmpoker.com