you make excellent points.

You can filter by stake/game and date, but at the moment you can't for a session within a particular day.

Given the above, does sorting by a single session within a day help much?

Date ranges:-

Took me some time this morning to work out that the program takes no notice of time differences in the world and also acts oddly.

I played hands yesterday, ending @ about 22.00 GMT 17th October

I imported into HGP this morning @ about 06.30 GMT

After import I am told there were no hands for yesterday (17th). The HH from the poker site would all show 17th October as the date

Filters:-

from 17th - 17 = 0 hands

from 18-18 = 0 hands

from 17-18 = all my hands

strange

T

The mouse over help is not accurate.

Looking @ the fold/call tab in reports it says, on the Poor Calls with no Draws, blue colored block

"You lost x in EV by calling y times with no draws when you should have folded"

This is not true because HGP sometimes suggested that I should have RAISED

So, it was a poor call but not because I should have folded.

T

As interesting as it is, and even if it can't be used as a bot it still seems to be very unsporting.

How good is the AI for heads-up matches? Are the deviations that it calculates in the "Analyze" part of the program just as reliable for HU as they are for 6max?

Also, the filter for # of opponents is actually # of opponents seeing the flop. At first I thought it would be 1 opponent to filter for heads-up, but that's not how it is. It would be nice if we could filter for only our HU matches (I imported FR, 6max, and HU games).

It doesn't do headsup. For 6max tables with only two players, its strategy is incorrect.

Stupid question,Im at work and unable to scan the whole post/thread

Is it suitable for heads up players?

Oops just noticed above post sorry

I am also a bit worried about any communication between this program and outside servers. Paul, do you make any calls to outside servers while I am actually playing at a table? Or at anytime?

Thanks.

The software never makes calls to remote servers.
The only exception is when you enter a serial code to register the software.

Any plans for something similar for Omaha?

I would be interested to know how far ahead the AI looks.

It suggested today that a fold I had made to a check/raise was in fact a call. My knowledge of the player would lead me to believe that HGP got this wrong but that is not the point I am making and I have no problem with it. I expect to be able to make better reads than an AI program. I could be wrong

Let's say that HGP's assumptions about his check/raise range was true. Does HGP now do hot+cold simulations assuming no further betting and calculate that my equity is +$x and so I should call?

If that is true, it is not looking forward far enough.

If my opponent is fairly competent, then he will bet the turn in a manner that is close to GTO. That bet makes me indifferent to calling or folding so let's say we call.

On the river he does the same and as I am indifferent and curious I call again.

On this basis we have done bothing wrong. We took each decision as it came; the 1st one being slightly +EV for the FLOP and the next 2 streets being neutral.

However, when he makes his GTO bet on the turn, even though he is making me indifferent, he is actually stealing some of my EV with this bet. When he fires the river he does the same again.

If my EV on the flop is "close" and he will "steal" some on 2 more streets, the flop call becomes wrong.

I may have totally misundertood GT or I do not see what HGP is doing but I'd sure like to know

Trevor

You are quite right! Thank you very much. We'll fix it!

Also, it says you made "poor calls". This isn't precisely right either (because sometimes you must mix up your play).

Thank!

The AI is not meant for heads up. While if you choose to play heads up or import heads up hands it will give you advice, but it is not meant for this purpose. It will play HU exactly the same as it plays "everyone folds to the blinds in 6max or full ring) and the blinds play against each other. Therefore, it will play too conservatively postflop.

Hmmm... You shouldn't be able to import FR. Did you "successfully" import fixed ring?

Yes, but it'll take a while. We need to add tournaments next. Then Omaha will probably follow that. Given other things on our plate, I suspect you won't see Omaha for a year or so. Sorry

Why? Because it will improve people's play quickly?

I don't see a problem with people learning the game well. The same thing could be said of Super System. While people certainly improved, it brought a lot of new people into the game.

I think that's a terrific thing for the industry -- and in fact the single most important thing. But I'm biased

Yes, I have a bunch of full ring hands in the system now. Is the advice given for those hands still good?

Will you be working on the AI more to get it to do heads-up play? It would be great if you could.

I would like to see not only the advice for a hand that was generated based on adjustment factors (opponent VPIP, PFR, Cbet%, etc.), but right next to it the advice that would have been generated by the AI had there been no adjustment factors applied. That way, if we see a large difference between the two, we will know to look at the opponent characteristics more closely, because something about the opponent(s) is significant.

My guess is that this would increase the processing time to analyze the hands, but to me it would be worth it. If processing speed is a critical factor, the second set of advice could always be an option that the user turns on or off.

Thank you for the question! Here's what the program does:

It simulates the entire hand out many times (i.e., the entire hand w/ assumptions about how you and your opponent play) and calculates an average (or expected) value.

I don't think it can "go any longer"

It's no different to somebody using a chess engine to help themselves study...

Juk

Nope, I think the end is as far is it can go

Thanks for the reply

Cheers

T

HGP does not handle time zones yet, for now all date/time read from the HH are interpreted as local times.

It's a bug! It will be fixed in the next release.
Obviously, you should have seen your hands when filtering from 17th to 17th

Thanks a lot for reporting !

Damn it you took TJD away from me. By the time he is through with you, your software will either be flawless or you'll be in an asylum

edit: kidding about the asylum. You're very lucky to have TJD testing your software

The advice should be excellent for full ring or 6max, but not heads up.

When I look at the stats on PokerScout it tells me that HU play is a tiny portion of the market; however, given how many people are asking about it -- I'm starting to think it's a larger more of "our potential market" (i.e., of the type of people focused enough on improving their game to get software to help.)

We have some big improvements in the works to the AI and so I'm starting (for the first time) to think about adding HU (into that process).

This is an easier addition than tournaments, which I'm anxious to do as well.