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Old 10-30-2018, 11:47 PM   #126
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

I've been using the ICM calculator on the website. This is probably a stupid question, but when inputting stack sizes should I put the size before posting blinds/antes or after?
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:21 AM   #127
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

You need to enter stacks at the beginning of the hand, before any blinds/antes are posted.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:33 PM   #128
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You need to enter stacks at the beginning of the hand, before any blinds/antes are posted.
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:27 PM   #129
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

Hi to everyone, I am newbie in the tournament world. Could you please tell me, does tournament speed somehow affect on our strategy? If the answer is yes, how can I specify turbo and hyper turbo tournaments in HRC?
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:19 PM   #130
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No, in general this doesn't affect strategy if the tournament structure is otherwise identical (ie same payouts).
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:33 AM   #131
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There are no definitive answers. That's part of the fun of tournaments, that they are unsolved. That said, most models for evaluating how much your stack is worth look primarily at the payouts and who has what stack (for example it's better for us to have 5000 when the other 2 stacks are 9000 and 1000, rather than when the other stacks are 5000 and 5000) and to some degree who is due to pay what blind next.

The speed only affects the strategy in that the size of our stack relative to the blinds affects our strategy.
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:29 AM   #132
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Dunno why but my logic says me that tournament speed should affect on our strategy, it's simillar to difference between FR, SH and HU in cash games.

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Old 11-06-2018, 04:41 AM   #133
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

You will see some slight differences in strategies if you do FGS calculations and specify a blind increase within the number of simulated hands, you can play around with that feature to get an idea how much upcoming blind increases change the strategy for the current hand.

Accordingly, the blind schedule would of course affect a "full tournament" strategy based on true tournament equities. I'd expect the differences in formats to be very slight though, most deviations would probably be covered by simply keeping track of the # of hands until the next blind change.

Anyway, when using ICM equities there is no difference between Turbo/Regular.
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:10 AM   #134
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

plexiq, hi!

my friend playing "big 27" on pokerstars (tournament description http://joxi.ru/Vm6415KtDWMRVA - it is the same tournament but in another day ) folded on bubble QQ from UTG - he had 10BB (there was 1 player to the ITM) - please explain how to make calculation for this case in HRC and see what we should push/fold from different positions taking into consideration ITM bubble?
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Old 11-06-2018, 12:47 PM   #135
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Dunno why but my logic says me that tournament speed should affect on our strategy, it's simillar to difference between FR, SH and HU in cash games.
Similar in that a lot of confused nonsense is talked about it?

If you are on the button in a cash game and it folds to you, why does the number of people who folded affect your strategy affect what hands are profitable against the blinds?

There is a thing called "card removal" but it is a very minor effect. Of course the situation when you can steal from the button is rarer in full ring than in 6 max but it doesn't change your ranges in that situation (unless you think the blinds will play differently in the two games). You play the same in the same situation, you just get fewer opportunities to play loose.

In the case of SNGs, if we are 3-handed and the stacks are

Player 1 5000
Player 2 3000
Player 3 2000

and the payouts are 50-30-20, how much are those stacks each worth if the blinds are 100/200, 200/400 or 300/600? The answer doesn't vary that much.

A specific set up (given blinds, given stacks and positions) can end in various positions (in terms of who has what stack) which have various values to the players and everyone is trying to maximise their value. If those values don't change much based on what the blinds are going to be in 3-5 hands time then the fact the blinds may be different in 3-5 hands time doesn't need to be taken account of much.

There are big differences in how we play when the effective stack is 5BB and when the effective stack is 10BB. We can jam much wider with an effective stack of 5BB. The confusion here is that the 5BB situation comes up much more often in turbos and hypers but we are playing the stacks, blinds, payouts on this hand regardless that the blinds may change soon.

Plexiq's answer is true, if you're going to be the first to pay the increased blinds you might be more marginally more likely to take your chances than you otherwise would be - but if someone else is going to be first and you'll be safely on the button before the blinds increase then presumably the reverse is true, so this doesn't add up to some kind of general thing like "play looser in a faster structure". Also in reality you rarely know exactly how many hands till the next blind change comes unless its literally the next hand. If so you can also include "blinds up next hand" or "in X hands" as part of the situation but again, that's a situation that can occur in any structure not something specific to turbos.

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Old 11-06-2018, 10:54 PM   #136
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

Hi, I have a question regarding ICM model calculation.
Why the results are still displayed as BB/ev rather than $EV ? And can we change it ?

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Old 11-07-2018, 04:30 AM   #137
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

For single table calculations ICM displays EV as % of remaining prizes (or alternatively % of total regular prizes if selected at Window: Preferences: Equity Display). Only chipEV calculations display the EV in BBs.

The latest beta version adds an explicit $EV display to the hand grid when you hover over hands, it's available in the download section.
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:39 AM   #138
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plexiq, hi!

my friend playing "big 27" on pokerstars (tournament description http://joxi.ru/Vm6415KtDWMRVA - it is the same tournament but in another day ) folded on bubble QQ from UTG - he had 10BB (there was 1 player to the ITM) - please explain how to make calculation for this case in HRC and see what we should push/fold from different positions taking into consideration ITM bubble?
I'd recommend to use the new beta for this, as the MTT mode is significantly improved there.

Steps in the beta:
*) Enter stacks and blinds for the active table as usual

*) Select MTT ICM as equity model and enter the prize structure as displayed in the screenshot. Note that you don't need to enter repeating prizes, just the jumps. So simply enter 1st-9th as usual, 10th $188 and 14th 149$, etc. This will automatically assume 11th-13th are the same as 10th. (Make sure to save the structure if you plan to re-use it.)

*) Click next and generate stacks for the other tables, you only need to enter the total chips in play and # of players remaining.
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Old 11-07-2018, 05:22 AM   #139
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

hi, plexiq!


1. made calculation like shown on pictures, is that correct?
I took for calculation bit 33 just as an example
https://imgur.com/a/UMhc0DZ

surprised that low Axs are +EV for push on bubble

2. Where can I find info (text/video/examples) "how to use plots in hrc" ?
I watched video from strategy (you gave the link earlier) but did not understand the whole picture
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:10 PM   #140
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

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I'd recommend to use the new beta for this, as the MTT mode is significantly improved there.

Steps in the beta:
*) Enter stacks and blinds for the active table as usual

*) Select MTT ICM as equity model and enter the prize structure as displayed in the screenshot. Note that you don't need to enter repeating prizes, just the jumps. So simply enter 1st-9th as usual, 10th $188 and 14th 149$, etc. This will automatically assume 11th-13th are the same as 10th. (Make sure to save the structure if you plan to re-use it.)

*) Click next and generate stacks for the other tables, you only need to enter the total chips in play and # of players remaining.
This is fantastic!
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:01 AM   #141
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

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hi, plexiq!


1. made calculation like shown on pictures, is that correct?
I took for calculation bit 33 just as an example
https://imgur.com/a/UMhc0DZ

surprised that low Axs are +EV for push on bubble
Setup looks correct, you can use the "Basic Hand" setup if you only need push-or-fold, calculation is slightly faster that way.

In my post I was talking about the beta version though, MTT related calculations are more accurate there.

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2. Where can I find info (text/video/examples) "how to use plots in hrc" ?
I watched video from strategy (you gave the link earlier) but did not understand the whole picture
Anything specific that you are struggling to setup / interpret? I'll do a new tutorial once the plots are re-done in the current beta.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:14 AM   #142
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

hi, plexiq!

thanks for answers!

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Anything specific that you are struggling to setup / interpret? I'll do a new tutorial once the plots are re-done in the current beta.
waiting for tutorial
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Old 11-15-2018, 03:56 PM   #143
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Re: HoldemResources Calculator [HRC]

Is there any way to automatically add payout structure if I'm importing tournament hands from my database? Otherwise, is there any way to make it generate an approximation similar to how PokerStars generates the values in the first place, like 1st gets 20% etc down to last payouts at 0.5% or whatever.

I'm basically looking for any way to speed up the process, where I don't have to enter 20+ values for every hand I want to analyze.

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Old 11-15-2018, 05:13 PM   #144
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I'm currently working on this exact thing for the beta. If you could send a bunch of recent tourney summaries to support@holdemresources.net that would be a great help.
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:16 PM   #145
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I'm currently working on this exact thing for the beta. If you could send a bunch of recent tourney summaries to support@holdemresources.net that would be a great help.
Awesome! This will be a great help.

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Old 11-20-2018, 03:16 PM   #146
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I'm currently working on this exact thing for the beta. If you could send a bunch of recent tourney summaries to support@holdemresources.net that would be a great help.
Great, I'll send some summaries.

One more question: Does HRC take blockers in to account? For example if one guys opens a lot but will only call a 3bet-shove with Ax, does the 3betters range get much higher values on shoving Ax, due to it being less likely that opener calls, or should I manually "boost" the value of Ax for the 3better in such a spot?

Edit: Can only find hand histories in my HM2 archive folder, no tournament summaries, even tho they are no longer in the PokerStars tournament summary folder, don't know how to solve it.

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Old 11-20-2018, 03:36 PM   #147
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Great, I'll send some summaries.

One more question: Does HRC take blockers in to account? For example if one guys opens a lot but will only call a 3bet-shove with Ax, does the 3betters range get much higher values on shoving Ax, due to it being less likely that opener calls, or should I manually "boost" the value of Ax for the 3better in such a spot?

Edit: Can only find hand histories in my HM2 archive folder, no tournament summaries, even tho they are no longer in the PokerStars tournament summary folder, don't know how to solve it.
Yes, if the original raiser's range is set up in such a way that Ax is represented more in his calling range than in his folding range.
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:03 PM   #148
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Blockers are taken into account, yes.

Regarding tourney summaries, I believe there was an option in the stars client that allows you to request the latest x tourney summaries via email. Not sure if that option still exists though. In any case, still need a few TS for testing.
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:25 PM   #149
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Any plan to include card removal effect option?

10bb without antes, HRC will show BU shove the same range 9handed and 3 handed.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:51 AM   #150
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Support for card removal effects from folded ranges is planned as part of a Monte Carlo mode, this should be ready for initial public testing within a few weeks.
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