I think the idea is that where you have chopped pots - for example two players have the same hand - it just splits them as 50% of the time player A wins, 50% player B wins.

I'd imagine not optimizing would make the tree grow exponentially about 50% faster per level - instead of having the lines:
SB jam, BB call, SB win
SB jam, BB call, BB win
you'd have a third one all the time:
SB jam, BB call, chopped pot.

and all the sub-lines that come in the subsequent hands. (in other words if you did this over 4 levels it would be 50% longer 4 times 1.5*1.5*1.5*1.5 = 5.06 times as long to calculate).

(this wouldn't apply for walks and the few lines that go "player jams, everyone folds" so it wouldn't be quite 50% more)

This shortcut (presumably) doesn't make any real difference to the overall value of being in a given position. I meant that when you play forward from the position where SB jams, BB folds, how good is that for SB? If you try to answer by simulating play (i.e. FGS) then simulating it with the exception that chops are converted to flips makes no real difference to the overall value of being in that spot.

Converting chops to flips makes a slight difference to the strategy in a given position (in heavy ICM you'd actually prefer to split rather than flip so you might choose hands on that basis) so you need to do it properly as part of the immediate strategy calc.

Note quite. We actually just don't further expand those split branches with FGS and instead use the ICM estimates for the split outcomes. Dividing the split outcomes 50/50 to SB win / BB win would be a bit more problematic in high-bubble-factor calculations, as a split isn't necessarily halfway between win/lose, that's why we use ICM instead.

Since the split outcomes usually happen with low frequency this typically doesn't impact accuracy in any meaningful way. Especially the 3-way splits would cause a ton of extra lines to explore (7 of the 13 possible 3-way outcomes are splits), while not actually making any difference regarding accuracy.

Something doesn't work properly for me.
I'm playing on GGNetwork.
I download the hand histories, upload them or just pasting them into the clipboard. I enter all the tournaments settings, but the issue is that: 1. There are no player names or positions, just numbers. 2. The hand is not played correctly. In that specific hand there were an RFI UTG(HERO), 1 caller and a squeeze. In my tree, the player that called only has a 3b option. Why is that? It's driving me crazy. Even if I ignore the caller and only click the 3bet on the 3rd guy that squeezed I have no option to call or jam his 3bet. I'd love a solution to both problems please.

Thank you so much.

1) Please check the history file in a text editor, are the actual names saved or just an anonymized version? HRC should display the names as they appear in the hand history.

2) You have to configure the allowed bet sizes manually. Make sure you select advanced betting ("Advanced Hand"), click "Next" on the bottom of the first dialog page. On the betting setup page enter the RFI size in the "Open" line (e.g. "3.0bb") and check the left box in that line to allow one flat call. Leave everything else empty/unchecked.

Hello,
Yes, it seems like the hand history in GGNetwork is indeed anonymous. So there is nothing i can do about it?

So I can not automatically load a hand and have it act the same as how it played out in the hand? I have to set the betting and actions manually every time for each hand? That seems tedious. Just loading a tournament and reviewing every hand like that?

I can add an option to use position names instead of the anonymous names if that helps.

Regarding hand setup: Yes, anything other than push/fold needs to be configured manually.

An option to alternate between the two would be great if possible.

Thanks.
I'll tell you what my issue is..with ICMizer I can see the betting automatically when I upload the hand history. With HRC, I have to use some kind of replayer in order to view the betting patterns for each hand? The issue is that GGNetwork do not support any hud so I can't upload it to HM or PT4, so like having to browse every hand from the tournament 1 by 1 is very time consuming and limiting.

Any option to do something about that? that would be insanely awesome. GGNetwork has the option to download the picture of the action (.png file), and I was wondering if it would somehow be possible to have an option to upload the hand instead like ICMizer allows for PartyPoker?

I think GG Network traffic is probably one of the highest, so maybe it would be worth your time to try to optimize something for it since we are limited by the lack of huds.

Thanks a lot.

Hi,

I'm dealing with a similar issue @crowned. I'm using normally PT4, HRC and playing on GG. For me I solved this for the moment as follows:
1) Downloading the HH via Pokercraft. Unluckily you have to login to GG (respecitve N8) click on Pokercraft and open this in browser. I saw now after a few months that you can select more than one tournament and click the download button. I think weeks ago you had to do it for every tourn seperatly.
2) Than I import the complete folder to PT4. You can see all hands but just the anonymous of the players and even noch payout structure or won/loose money. This is even not given in the HH files like the player names...
3) Than Import in HRC from SQL and review hands there. Its kind of circuitous but better than nothing...

Cheers

Hi, Thanks.
I tried importing the complete folder as well as hands separately but it doesn't do anything. I'm trialing PT4 to see if it works with GG since my HM2 license does not work with GGNetwork either and I dont want to upgrade, so maybe im doing something wrong, or it doesn't work with the trial version?

Sry I can't tell you this. I just have the full version of PT4. I can just tell you that the import of a complete folder with 10 or 20 or more txt files from GG works quite fine :-)

Hi,
How do I setup Turbo and Hyper tourney structure? what would be the best settings for that?

Setup just like any other game, there is nothing special about Hypers/Turbos in that regard.

Select FGS for final table or single table calculations and MTT ICM for hands before the final table. Then enter the prize structure for your game, you can skip repeated prizes. If other tables are left then click Next at the bottom of the dialog and generate the other stacks on the MTT dialog page. That's basically it.

Thanks.
So the increasing ante/blinds do not affect the shoving range compared to normal tournies?
Or it just calculates that automatically through hand histories?

It just seemed super tight when I ran it yesterday.

No, the blind schedule doesn't affect general ICM calculations.

If there is a blind increase coming up within the next few hands then you can explicit specify that for FGS calculations, but it probably won't make a significant difference unless the blind increase is in the next 1-2 hands.

A good implementatition would be somekind of partial range locking. calculate the equilibrium even excluding some hands of the range.
ie. some spots of 30bb+ effective when players usually don't 3b AI QQ+, so, calculate the equilibruim without these hands would be nice.

Is there a way to load saved ranges when editing ranges? I see there is a copy/paste option. Could I for example copy/paste from a PIO file or something or is there an option to save within HRC.

Bit tedious to input every hand when obv the opening ranges are far from normal ranges.

Cheers

There is currently no save/load of ranges within HRC, but you can simply copy/paste them from/to a spreadsheet or whatever works best for you.

You can actually do this already: Simply add an additional action and then lock those hands into that other range. In your example you can e.g. allow a flat call and then set the flat calling range to QQ+, or add an extra bet sizing to 10bb and put the hands there.

Hi! very important clarification for me. HRC shows in both models the difference between the active action and the fold or only in the chip ev?

EVs are always displayed in comparison to folding.

This doesn't allow for hand weights (25% 50% etc).

A rather huge bottleneck in terms of efficient study time. Any plans to implement some kind of range saver like PIO has?

Yes, in the short term we'll support the pio range format for copy/pasting, so you can save ranges in spreadsheets etc with weights intact. But we also plan to add options to save/load/manage custom ranges within the program for easy re-use.

Hi,

I sent an email to support about cancelling subscription.
No reply yet.

When did you send the email, any name / address I should look out for?

The easier option is to simply cancel via Help: Registration: Manage Subscription, or by using the subscription management link that is included in the billing emails.

Can I use this software for 20bb cap cashgames?