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Old 07-02-2007, 08:01 PM   #151
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Re: New Software: Holdem Manager

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can you filter for hands played against players with specfied ranges of stats?

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Old 07-02-2007, 10:15 PM   #152
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Any UB hands been sent?
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:38 PM   #153
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I've got loads, just haven't got around to sending them since he's focused on other things atm.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:10 PM   #154
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can you filter for hands played against players with specfied ranges of stats?

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That's a great idea... I'm pretty sure I can add this.

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Old 07-02-2007, 11:14 PM   #155
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One more small request. I'm a computer nerd who's constantly [censored] with my operating system, therefor eI need to reinstall pokertracker fairly frequently, and every time I have to email the PT guys to get a new key. If you could do the same kind of system that PAHud uses for registration, that would be awesome.

I seriously can't wait for this, and if you need any Linux guinea pigs, hit me up.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:16 PM   #156
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I seriously can't wait for this, and if you need any Linux guinea pigs, hit me up.

Me too
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Old 07-03-2007, 01:05 AM   #157
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3-bet % stat is giving me wood
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:05 AM   #158
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wow cant wait till this comes out
Yep, I'm def purchasing this. Sounds awesome; if it lives up to 50% of it, it'll be worthi t.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:47 AM   #159
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can you filter for hands played against players with specfied ranges of stats?

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That's a great idea... I'm pretty sure I can add this.

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Great....I'd keep it simple at first, being able to, for example, filter for hands against players with certain vpips or pfrs...Then later you can add more. Just to give you a further idea of what I'm thinking about -- I'd like to know, for example, how often I take down the pot preflop when I 3-bet from the button against a 30/20 or a 14/5 or a 50/10 who raised UTG.
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:42 AM   #160
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rvg,

can you filter for hands played against players with specfied ranges of stats?

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That's a great idea... I'm pretty sure I can add this.

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Great....I'd keep it simple at first, being able to, for example, filter for hands against players with certain vpips or pfrs...Then later you can add more. Just to give you a further idea of what I'm thinking about -- I'd like to know, for example, how often I take down the pot preflop when I 3-bet from the button against a 30/20 or a 14/5 or a 50/10 who raised UTG.
I'd like to take this a bit further. I'd like to be able to identify the average VPIP/PFR of a certain value, whether for cash games or SNGs.

Ex: for all the $27 SNGs, what was the overall average VPIP/PFR - excluding my own of course, as well as the average scores for winning or losing players. If it cannot filter the winners as it lacks the stats, perhaps I could personally select the players (thus more than one), and get their average scores, or at least see them side-by-side.

I'd also like to be able to filter blinds levels in groups. Ex: in Stars, there are distinct periods. The first 2 levels, possibly 3, wouldn't be played the same as when the higher levels are reached. Blind defense would change enormously for example. Also, contrary to some sites, the blind structure is such that for a good 3 levels the change is incremental at best (150/200/200+25). I'd like to be able to group these levels to get an average value of my play on them, with the average number of players too.

This last is important, or it skews ones read of the data. When I was still getting a handle of the data presented by PokerOffice, I noticed that my VPIP increased significantly from 50/100 to 100/200+25, and interpreted this as meaning I was getting more aggressive in the later levels. Later I realized that on average there were about 3 players less at the later level, so my increased VPIP might not actually be more aggressive, merely a natural adjustment to the number of players at the table, and I might in fact be simply just as aggressive, proportionately, not more so.

Sorry for the long-winded post.

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Old 07-03-2007, 12:14 PM   #161
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This whole program is giving me a raging hard-on.
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:24 PM   #162
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I'd like to take this a bit further. I'd like to be able to identify the average VPIP/PFR of a certain value, whether for cash games or SNGs.
This is very easy to do from PostgreSQL. Once the software is out I'll post some "neat" queries on my forums and show how to run them.

Edit: Actually, there is a much easier way... Go to the Player Summary tab, check all of the stat groups on the left so that every stat for every player is returned, setup any filters (ie cash or tourney results) and then copy and paste the results into Excel and have fun!

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I'd also like to be able to filter blinds levels in groups. Ex: in Stars, there are distinct periods. The first 2 levels, possibly 3, wouldn't be played the same as when the higher levels are reached. I'd like to be able to group these levels to get an average value of my play on them, with the average number of players too.
You can build your own report that does exactly this! I'll put it together today and post in the thread so you can see how simple this is (can't do it now because I'm about to leave for work)

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This last is important, or it skews ones read of the data. When I was still getting a handle of the data presented by PokerOffice, I noticed that my VPIP increased significantly from 50/100 to 100/200+25, and interpreted this as meaning I was getting more aggressive in the later levels. Later I realized that on average there were about 3 players less at the later level, so my increased VPIP might not actually be more aggressive, merely a natural adjustment to the number of players at the table, and I might in fact be simply just as aggressive, proportionately, not more so.
You have lots of different options to group results. In fact, I'll make you two reports. One that shows by blind level with various levels grouped together and a second report that breaks down by blind level and by number of players remaining so you can clearly see what you are talking about here.

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Old 07-03-2007, 04:18 PM   #163
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This is cash games only?
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:32 PM   #164
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You have lots of different options to group results. In fact, I'll make you two reports. One that shows by blind level with various levels grouped together and a second report that breaks down by blind level and by number of players remaining so you can clearly see what you are talking about here.
As promised, here are two new reports. You could simply copy and paste (and edit if you like) the text below and put it in your Reports folder and voila, you have the report.

#1) By Big Blind

<Report Name="by Big Blind" >
<Groupings>
<Grouping FieldExpression="BigBlind" ColumnName="Big Blind">
<Ranges>
<Range MinValue="0" MaxValue="99" RangeName="1) Less than 100" />
<Range MinValue="100" MaxValue="249" RangeName="2) 100 to 249" />
<Range MinValue="250" MaxValue="399" RangeName="3) 250 to 399" />
<Range MinValue="400" MaxValue="799" RangeName="4) 400 to 799" />
<Range MinValue="800" MaxValue="*" RangeName="5) 800 or more" />
</Ranges>
</Grouping>
</Groupings>
<DefaultStats>
<DefaultStat FieldName="TotalHands" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="VPIPPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="PFRPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="LateUOVPIPPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="LateUOPFRPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="ThreeBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="ColdCallPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="FoldBBToStealPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="FlopContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="TurnContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="FlopFoldedToContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="TurnFoldedToContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="PostflopAggressionFactor" />
</DefaultStats>
</Report>

and the result is (note, this was back in the day when Party's blinds were much lower which explains why the # hands in each level seem off):



Here is the second report which breaks down both blinds and players remaining. You don't need to group results but I find it makes results much neater and easier to digest.

<Report Name="by Big Blind and Players" >
<Groupings>
<Grouping FieldExpression="BigBlind" ColumnName="Big Blind">
<Ranges>
<Range MinValue="0" MaxValue="99" RangeName="1) Less than 100" />
<Range MinValue="100" MaxValue="249" RangeName="2) 100 to 249" />
<Range MinValue="250" MaxValue="399" RangeName="3) 250 to 399" />
<Range MinValue="400" MaxValue="799" RangeName="4) 400 to 799" />
<Range MinValue="800" MaxValue="*" RangeName="5) 800 or more" />
</Ranges>
</Grouping>
<Grouping FieldExpression="NumberOfPlayers" ColumnName="# Players">
<Ranges>
<Range MinValue="2" MaxValue="2" RangeName="1) Heads Up" />
<Range MinValue="3" MaxValue="3" RangeName="2) 3 Handed" />
<Range MinValue="4" MaxValue="5" RangeName="3) Bubble (4-5 players)" />
<Range MinValue="6" MaxValue="8" RangeName="4) Mid Game (6-8 players)" />
<Range MinValue="9" MaxValue="10" RangeName="5) Early Game (9-10 players)" />
</Ranges>
</Grouping>
</Groupings>
<DefaultStats>
<DefaultStat FieldName="TotalHands" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="VPIPPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="PFRPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="LateUOVPIPPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="LateUOPFRPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="ThreeBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="ColdCallPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="FoldBBToStealPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="FlopContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="TurnContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="FlopFoldedToContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="TurnFoldedToContinuationBetPct" />
<DefaultStat FieldName="PostflopAggressionFactor" />
</DefaultStats>
</Report>



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Old 07-03-2007, 04:34 PM   #165
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Really looking forward to this. I hope you will add Prima and iPoker support.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:02 PM   #166
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when you release the beta, if it has a expiration date make sure it gives plenty of overlap. there is nothing worse than a program you are addicted to dying and the full version is not for sale yet or you are waiting for a regcode.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:19 PM   #167
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Maybe everyone should cool down. Lets gets this into beta, and then hopefully into release. In software, talk is easy - delivery is everything (or at least much).

rvg, dont promise too much to too many, but get a stable product delivering much of what has been talked about to the basic sites and you will have a winner.

With all due respect, PT and PAHUD has been stable, updated and delivered for a long time, and until proven differently they remain the prominent products in this field.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:52 PM   #168
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:07 PM   #169
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wow, this looks awesome. Im not sure if I missed something, but is there a link for a website/download for the public beta or is that not released yet? I would like to try it out.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:12 AM   #170
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Somewhere RVG wrote that the public beta is planned for 15th july. I'm sure that he will post a link in this thread, and that it will grow dramatically in size when he does..
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:36 AM   #171
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Looks awesome Roy. Can't wait to use it.

Not sure if this is a "duh" question, but will it be possible to import postgresql databases from Pokertracker if we haven't saved the original hhf's?
Hi, unfortunately not... I guess an analogy would be, imgine you have a 10 megapixel image (ie the original hand history) and then you convert it to grey scale, drop it down to 800x600 and save it as a gif. No matter what you do you can't bring it back to that 10 megapixel image.

If I imported from the PT database structure without hand histories there would be way too much data missing which would make most of the stats misleading and in most cases outright wrong...

So, save your hand histories!!!

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RVG,

What about if we export the hand histories from PT into txt files? Will HM be able to read the txt files? I am not sure I would want to lose all the millions of hands I have in my mined DB's.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:15 AM   #172
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Looks awesome Roy. Can't wait to use it.

Not sure if this is a "duh" question, but will it be possible to import postgresql databases from Pokertracker if we haven't saved the original hhf's?
Hi, unfortunately not... I guess an analogy would be, imgine you have a 10 megapixel image (ie the original hand history) and then you convert it to grey scale, drop it down to 800x600 and save it as a gif. No matter what you do you can't bring it back to that 10 megapixel image.

If I imported from the PT database structure without hand histories there would be way too much data missing which would make most of the stats misleading and in most cases outright wrong...

So, save your hand histories!!!

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RVG,

What about if we export the hand histories from PT into txt files? Will HM be able to read the txt files? I am not sure I would want to lose all the millions of hands I have in my mined DB's.
I'm an idiot! Found the answer to my own question. Not looking forward to exporting all the hands from PT though!
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:04 AM   #173
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3 bets on HUD will be great. Please increase price by 10X and make 15th come faster.
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:08 AM   #174
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I'm going to add a PT auto import in the software by the time it goes to beta launch but it still requires that you stored the hand histories in PT.

Thanks,

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How 'bout PO?
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