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Originally Posted by CodythePATRIOT
I'm trying to not delve into the realm of coaching questions because I respect your position on that. I am just trying to figure out the 'flat river' stat in relation to the 'river call efficiency'
For example, I am losing -352 bb/100 according to the 'flat river' stat. I took this to mean that my river strategy was so poor that I could literally fold every river and improve my winrate. However, my RCE was 1.12 which is lower than I would like it to be but it also means given the pot odds that I am calling around the correct amount.
I wonder if you could just explain the difference of these 2 stats in relation to each other.
I don't know that I can really explain the difference in a simple way but I can give you the definitions for each then try and explain the difference. Note that the 'River Call Efficiency' is a
stat but the 'Flat River' is a
filter, not a stat.
First off, I was actually wrong about being able to filter for the hands that contribute to the RCE stat. It can be done as explained in
this post on our forums.
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More Filters>Other Advanced Filters:
Facing Bet on River = True (To see all opportunities to call a bet)
Saw Showdown = True (To see all hands where you saw showdown)
River Raise = False (To exclude hands where you raised instead of called to see showdown)
This should show you all hands that are used for River Efficiency stat.
This might help you to at least review all these situations and try and find hands you could have played better/differently so you can try and improve your -bb/100 when you flat/call river bets.
Secondly, The 'Flat River' is a filter, not a stat.
The definition of River Call Efficiency = 'Shows average return per $1 of river calls and check calls.'
Our QA/Stats Manager explains this in more detail in the link above from our forums:
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River Call Efficiency shows you how much you win in a hand on average when you call - per dollar. If pot on river is $1.00 and opponent bets $1.00 and you call, you called $1.00 to win $2.00 in pot. If you win, river efficiency would show 2 here. If you lose, river efficiency shows 0 since you havent won anything by calling.
If you always faced PSB on river, then seeing River Efficiency at 2 would mean you won every time you called such bet.
If you face 1/2 PSB on river, and won every time you called, you would see River efficiency at 3. ( Call $1 to win $3)
The Flat River
filter ( which should basically be the same as the 'River Call'
stat in HM3) = 'Percent of time player calls on river when facing a bet.' Obviously when filtering you aren't getting a stat returned in percentage form, but the actual hands where you actually called if you set the filter = true or hands where you didn't call if you set the filter = false.
There is also a 'River Call Win %' stat that you haven't asked about defined as: 'Percent of time player won money when Calling or Check Calling a river bet.' which you may find helpful to have in your reports if you are focusing on improving your river calls and the RCE stat.
p.s. If you aren't yet testing HM3 Beta you may want to as the filter editor system is much more refined and all stats are defined in both the Report Stats and HUD Stats picker menus. If you need a link to sign up for HM3 Beta shoot me a PM on my personal 2+2 account (as I don't get email notifications for PM's on this account).
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Last edited by Holdem Manager; 07-09-2018 at 08:43 AM.