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Old 01-01-2014, 04:07 PM   #1076
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It sounds like somehow the input field is getting corrupted.
Another way of sharing ranges is by saving your friend's newdefs.txt file to your Flopzilla's main directory.
What does this mean? I have the ranges saved in a .txt file, can I just try to drag and drop it or does he have to resend? if so where?
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Old 01-01-2014, 04:13 PM   #1077
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What does this mean? I have the ranges saved in a .txt file, can I just try to drag and drop it or does he have to resend? if so where?
The Flopzilla custom ranges are stored in the file newdefs.txt.
If you want to use your friend's ranges, just have him send you his newdefs.txt file.
Save it to your Flopzilla's main directory.
That should be enough to get his ranges.

Alternatively, you can also import his ranges in the form of a text block.
For that, your friend will need to go to "Save->Export predefined ranges" and send you the block of text that this will give him.
You can then import it with "Save->Import predefined ranges".

However, if I understood your original request correctly this second method is not working for you. For that reason I'm suggesting you use the first method for sharing ranges.
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:11 PM   #1078
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Hi everyone,

...The working title for the tool is Holdeq, although I'm open to alternate suggestions...

Why not "EquiZilla" or something like that?

My first impressions on the software:

1. Its compact, clean and quickly opens (if not for that borring message box about being trial, and evaluation, and etc... well it seems to be temporary)
- maybe.... it could be a little bit more compact... like a 6max version instead of 10max... but its okay as it is anyway
- Please.... avoid those starting screen as in equilab or similars, they just take time in the opening process.

2. I just missed the red-green boxes on the results. Just as in Pokerstove, it gets green for the winner and goes from red to yellow for the loser.



Well.... those are my feedback... thanks for all those great apps as Flopzilla and now the HoldEq ( or EquiZilla... uh? )
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:56 PM   #1079
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Re: Flopzilla

Sorry for the double post... one more bullet on my impressions/feedback on HoldEq:

3. it could automatically recognize AsKs when we type "asks" ... and all similar cases as recognize jj as JJ.... right now, when we type jj or asks (all lowercase) it gets red and don't do any calc.
- well... again its about winning time.... its because normally when using this software we are in the middle of some deep analyses on a specific hand ... and the Equity Calculator is the important co-star, it is important, but not the main concern.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:04 AM   #1080
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Why not "EquiZilla" or something like that?
Well, for a start, the .com variant of that domain is already taken.
Virtually every combination of www.pokerXXX.com that makes any sense is already claimed by someone, probably hoping to resell it (these are not actually websites, they have just been registered).
Can't believe nobody thought of www.holdeq.com before.
I guess I got lucky there.

The same applies to many www.equiXXX.com domains.
Equity is a widely used term; not just in poker.

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1. Its compact, clean and quickly opens (if not for that borring message box about being trial, and evaluation, and etc... well it seems to be temporary)
That message is indeed temporary and will not appear in the final version.
The same applies to the "TRIAL VERSION" messages in the main screen and range dialog.

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- Please.... avoid those starting screen as in equilab or similars, they just take time in the opening process.
There will be none.
This is going to be a basic tool.

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2. I just missed the red-green boxes on the results. Just as in Pokerstove, it gets green for the winner and goes from red to yellow for the loser.
I think I'll skip that one.
I'm not trying to duplicate pokerstove here.
At the moment the main screens of both programs look a lot alike, but that's mostly because they both use standard dialogs; it's just the easiest way to write a dialog, as well as looking pretty "clean".
I haven't spent much time yet on the main dialog; most time has been spent on the engine and the range editor.
The final version will probably look a bit different.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:07 AM   #1081
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Sorry for the double post... one more bullet on my impressions/feedback on HoldEq:

3. it could automatically recognize AsKs when we type "asks" ... and all similar cases as recognize jj as JJ.... right now, when we type jj or asks (all lowercase) it gets red and don't do any calc.
- well... again its about winning time.... its because normally when using this software we are in the middle of some deep analyses on a specific hand ... and the Equity Calculator is the important co-star, it is important, but not the main concern.
Ok, that makes sense.
I should be able to add that.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:33 AM   #1082
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Just an idea (maybe it's already there) why not PF/flop/turn/river tabs for villains range? Where we can just deselect hands on F T R after selecting villains starting range, so we can move through the hands that way?


Hope my thought is clear, otherwise i'll explain it further.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:43 PM   #1083
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Just an idea (maybe it's already there) why not PF/flop/turn/river tabs for villains range? Where we can just deselect hands on F T R after selecting villains starting range, so we can move through the hands that way?


Hope my thought is clear, otherwise i'll explain it further.
Nevermind, facepalm :P.. already found all the videos (new to flopzilla obviously)..
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:25 PM   #1084
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Re: Holdeq: Equity calculations

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Q:"Why not "EquiZilla" or something like that?"... A:Well, for a start, the .com variant of that domain is already taken...
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Q:"2. I just missed the red-green boxes on the results..."
A: I think I'll skip that one. I'm not trying to duplicate pokerstove here...
Thx for answers!

Just trying again...

a. About the www.equiXXX.com domains... alright, but why not www.PokerEquiZilla.com or www.HoldemEquizilla.com ... they are still avaiable right now. - - - I like a name that bounds to FlopZilla ... so it can re-inforce each other, both are GREAT softwares!



b. I would insist on the red green box for the results... its not because it copies Pokerstove or something like that... its more because its really useful. It is indeed faster to visualize the results and the idea of what hand is far behind or if its a close decision. Those red box on 90% vs. 10% hands do gets someone attention for the great discrepancy on the hand.
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:39 AM   #1085
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a. About the www.equiXXX.com domains... alright, but why not www.PokerEquiZilla.com or www.HoldemEquizilla.com ... they are still avaiable right now. - - - I like a name that bounds to FlopZilla ... so it can re-inforce each other, both are GREAT softwares!
Those names have way too many syllables and are hard to remember.
Also, to someone who speaks French/Spanish/Italian/etc it's complete gibberish and hard to pronounce.

Coming up with a good name is very hard; Holdeq is the best I've come up with on my own so far.

One big problem here is that the word "equity" is really hard to work into a product name at all. Better words for this are words like poker, holdem, card, spade/diamond/heart/club, flop/turn/river, etc.

Other memorable names, but unrelated to poker are silver, green/blue/red, point, devil, quick, fire, chrome. Or animal names such as fox, dragon, hound.

The name doesn't even have to be related to poker. For example names like SilverLight, Steam or Chrome work fine as brand names, even though they don't describe the product even remotely. All that really matters there is that the names are memorable, as well as having a similar property as the product.

I prefer to not name the tool XXX-zilla, since it sounds as if it's not strong enough on its own and needs Flopzilla to lean on. At least, that's just my interpretation.


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I think I'll just write some of these instructions on the website tomorrow.
Save people some time.


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b. I would insist on the red green box for the results... its not because it copies Pokerstove or something like that... its more because its really useful. It is indeed faster to visualize the results and the idea of what hand is far behind or if its a close decision. Those red box on 90% vs. 10% hands do gets someone attention for the great discrepancy on the hand.
I really don't think that people need a red background color to be told that 10% is bad.
There will be two numbers there, 90% and 10%.
This really doesn't need to be visualized.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:38 AM   #1086
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Re: Flopzilla

HoldEQ:

1. Maybe this is already in development but a 'copy results' option would be good, essential in fact (for forums, skype, social media). I am sure you could do a much neater job than how the stove results were output too

2. I actually agree with the above poster about the colour coding / visualization aspect of results. I think more than anything it was a better visual indicator of when the results have been updated (they would flash and easier to notice / stands out more than how HoldEQ does it).

It's hard to explain but with colours you get an immediate sense of a winner and loser, whereas in HoldEQ everything looks quite neutral and I find myself double checking the results to make sure anything even happened or who the clear winner is.

3. It's a little annoying for people like me who want to quickly input specific hands, but it would be cool if the software could auto-capitalize card values. Many times I would quickly input something like acad (press tab), finish off the other input boxes, only to get an error at the end because capitals were not used. It then turns from quick to slow and I have to go back to the start and manually edit out the values.

HoldEQ is really good apart from that, nice, clean and simple.
I like the name too. It seems quite difficult to come up with anything better.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:12 PM   #1087
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About HoldEq. Why would you want HoldEq vs the other softwares (is HoldEq going to be for free for everyone?)

About FlopZilla.. such an awesome program! thank you for that! Never played with it before, now can't stop!..

I'm facing a problem with it though.. Im getting to the river and villain has 3 overpairs in his range QQ-AA and he will only shove AA 100% of the time and KK maybe 25% of the time and QQ never..

How are we going input this?

Thank you
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Old 01-05-2014, 05:51 PM   #1088
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agree with the color thing as well. it's the cream on the pie type of thing
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:24 AM   #1089
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1. Maybe this is already in development but a 'copy results' option would be good, essential in fact (for forums, skype, social media). I am sure you could do a much neater job than how the stove results were output too
This is a fine suggestion, however I prefer to keep the interface clean and simple.

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2. I actually agree with the above poster about the colour coding / visualization aspect of results. I think more than anything it was a better visual indicator of when the results have been updated (they would flash and easier to notice / stands out more than how HoldEQ does it).
When you click "Calculate" the numbers go to white for a moment and are updated. Pokerstove indeed does have some issues with it not being entirely clear what's going on, but that doesn't apply to this tool. Click "Calculate" and the numbers are updated. Period. No exceptions. Never goes wrong.

Other than that, I get the impression that this request is given because pokerstove does it. I'm not trying to copy pokerstove here and I really don't think a visual cue is needed when showing 2 numbers.

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It's hard to explain but with colours you get an immediate sense of a winner and loser, whereas in HoldEQ everything looks quite neutral and I find myself double checking the results to make sure anything even happened or who the clear winner is.
This is a math tool.
It simply gives you the numbers.
Whether they are good or bad is not up to the tool to decide.

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3. It's a little annoying for people like me who want to quickly input specific hands, but it would be cool if the software could auto-capitalize card values.
Yes, I overlooked that bit.
I've already fixed it for the next update which should be in about a week.

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Many times I would quickly input something like acad (press tab), finish off the other input boxes, only to get an error at the end because capitals were not used. It then turns from quick to slow and I have to go back to the start and manually edit out the values.
Well, to be fair, incorrect input lights up in red.
That's pretty hard to miss.

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HoldEQ is really good apart from that, nice, clean and simple.
I like the name too. It seems quite difficult to come up with anything better.
Yes, there's quite a lot of people out there who register domain names with the sole intent of reselling them. Can't believe holdeq.com was still available.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:28 AM   #1090
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(is HoldEq going to be for free for everyone?)
Holdeq comes free with Flopzilla.
Maybe I'll offer it for $10 is someone really wants it but not Flopzilla, however the tool will not be free for non-Flopzilla owners.

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I'm facing a problem with it though.. Im getting to the river and villain has 3 overpairs in his range QQ-AA and he will only shove AA 100% of the time and KK maybe 25% of the time and QQ never..

How are we going input this?
That's a bit hard, since you can't set weights to individual hands.
You could just set these weights in the preflop phase I suppose.
And of course just disable QQ by assigning a custom filter to it (for more on the filter system, see the video "The filter system" on it here: http://www.flopzilla.com/video.html)
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:48 AM   #1091
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Yeah, i saw the video's. I know how to disable them, but maybe you can add an option to go in a certrain street to add weight to the hands. It comes up quiet often that I would need this feature.

otherwise, you suggest to go back to PF and add your required weight and that wil go to the turn/river... However, this will change our equity in the hand on previous streets (so it's a workaround for only a certrain street where it applies and previous streets are not accurate anymore).
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:48 AM   #1092
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Same goes for spots, where we want to add bluffs into his range. but he will shove with KK with the Kh but not the other Kings. (just as a quick example).
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This is a fine suggestion, however I prefer to keep the interface clean and simple.
Yeah I can understand that, right now it is very clean. Maybe it's just me but I think a copy function is absolutely essential in number crunching software like this. If I was forced to type out the results manually on a forum/skype group/whatever every time, it would be a huge negative. It would be a math tool with no real way to output or share the data with ease/simplicity, which a lot of people will be looking to do.


Ofcourse you don't want to copy pokerstove, but being honest about it a lot of people are probably going to eventually replace pokerstove with this (the website is a mess, software doesn't get updated anymore?, it has "expired" for a lot of people since 2014, HoldEQ is already miles better with actual support) and will therefore probably be looking for similiar functionality, so I wouldn't be surprised if you get bombed with "stove-like" requests.

If HoldEQ takes off well in the community then it just might not take long at all for it to eventually replace pokerstove completely for the reasons mentioned above. I know I have already replaced pokerstove with it (and I swore by pokerstove).

Maybe it wasn't your intention but this is the first time I have seen a close contender for a pokerstove killer.

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Old 01-06-2014, 10:00 AM   #1094
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i dont know if its alowed but why not call it POKERSTOVER
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:23 PM   #1095
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i dont know if its alowed but why not call it POKERSTOVER
yuck, now. You don't want to come off as a cheap rip-off... like Coca-Colo vs Coca-Cola.......

HoldEq is a prty good name imo.
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Yeah, i saw the video's. I know how to disable them, but maybe you can add an option to go in a certrain street to add weight to the hands. It comes up quiet often that I would need this feature.

otherwise, you suggest to go back to PF and add your required weight and that wil go to the turn/river... However, this will change our equity in the hand on previous streets (so it's a workaround for only a certrain street where it applies and previous streets are not accurate anymore).
Yes, it's indeed not ideal, however for the moment it's the best workaround I can come up with.
I'll add your request to the to-do list.
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Yeah I can understand that, right now it is very clean. Maybe it's just me but I think a copy function is absolutely essential in number crunching software like this. If I was forced to type out the results manually on a forum/skype group/whatever every time, it would be a huge negative. It would be a math tool with no real way to output or share the data with ease/simplicity, which a lot of people will be looking to do.
Ok, I'll see if I can add some sort of output button for the next version.
It should be available in about a week.
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2. I actually agree with the above poster about the colour coding / visualization aspect of results.
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agree with the color thing as well. it's the cream on the pie type of thing
Lets make quorum for this addon!
I really miss this function on HoldEQ, it would be very useful.
Please, scylla re-think about it....


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...Maybe it wasn't your intention but this is the first time I have seen a close contender for a pokerstove killer.
I totally agree!
Its first time I see an improved simple and effective tool to analyse equity!
All the improvements of Flopzilla range selector with simplicity of Pokerstove equity calcs. GREAT !! !!
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:50 AM   #1099
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How to copy range postflop?

For example:
I give 15% range preflop. Flop reduced to 5% and then reduced to KQs, JcTc on the turn.

Can we copy output (Ctrl+T) on the flop or on the turn? If I ctrl+t, the output is still 15% preflop range, not what I want (i.e. postflop range).

I guess there must be a way to do it but I cant find it on the videos manual
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How to copy range postflop?

For example:
I give 15% range preflop. Flop reduced to 5% and then reduced to KQs, JcTc on the turn.

Can we copy output (Ctrl+T) on the flop or on the turn? If I ctrl+t, the output is still 15% preflop range, not what I want (i.e. postflop range).

I guess there must be a way to do it but I cant find it on the videos manual
For that, use Ctrl+Alt+T.
It will give a string of whatever is in the "Statistics" part of the screen.
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