very good program!

Thanks. =) PT4 support slightly delayed.

And i now come to another registrar. Therefore, the site will be unavailable for some time. If suddenly you have bought, and don't downloaded the program, write to me in skype. Evilloneliness
I apologize for inconvenience.

Adding support PT4 is almost over. It remains to clarify a few details from developers.

What's the status with PT4?

Also, is there a chance you can add the ability to define fishes based on PT "auto rate" system? This will allow MUCH more flexibility with fish definitions without the need from your side to add more stats. It will really make your software one step ahead of everything else(including notecaddy).

Lastly, does the program supports multiple DB's?

Hi,
Everything is ready. But the problem is that PT4 calculates Vpip and PFR differently than in PT3. So stats have imprecision (for example, in PT4 vpip 16, in prog 14.5). Don't know why.

About "Auto rate". Not sure that it need. Program have rules, so u can do everything, that need. If need other stats, let me know.

And of course there a lot of problems. It is not clear how to get the list of players from Auto Rate. And for all of these players need again to make rules, that everyone had their own color in notes.


About multiple DB's. Not sure that i understand. Program support HM1, HM2, PT3 and PT4. And the program works with a selected database. Just select another database after finished work with first.
Also the program supports connections to online databases.

If u will have another questions, let me know.

Just installed PT4 and they do not have the auto rate system so it's irrelevant.

The reason you might get different numbers in PT3 and PT4 might be because they changed the way the look for positions. I'm not sure it's related to total VPIP but it's worth checking out.
Anyway, contact PT support - they have GREAT support staff and i'm sure they will help you quickly.

There is one stat that is missing and I find it a "must" when defining fishes:
VPIP-PFR gap. So for example, if the VPIP is 20 and PFR is 10 - the gap is 10. If the VPIP is 33 and PFR is 23, the gap is still 10. If the VPIP is 25 and the PFR is 10, the gap is 15. I hope you understand what I mean.
This help to define passiveness regardless of VPIP and/or PFR total number.
Additional stats you can add are:
Limp first in %, Fold to CB and fold to 3bet. But they are not as important as the VPIP-PFR gap.

Another question I have is how does the program handle PS note file? Every time I use the software, does it overwrite the file so I lose the older notes/color coding I had?

If you can make it work with PT4, and at least add the VPIP-PFR gap stat - I will buy your software for sure. Let me know what you have updates...

OK, after checking out the stats - I found out why PT4 show higher vpip than PT3(and perhaps HM). Here is an explanation of how PT3(and probably HM) calculate the VPIP:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/vpip******
(this is the same for PFR. The 'old way' of calculating vpip/pfr is called vpip/pfr legacy edition in PT4 software.)

You should probably make it possible to use both the "legacy" edition and the new edition. The new one is more accurate, but will require time to adjust.

Hope it helps

Thank you for your help. I'll definitely will check this and i hope you're right. =)

Vpip\pfr ratio and ur variant will add to program. Limp first in %, Fold to CB and fold to 3bet i guess will add too, but not sure that immediately.

The program has possible to configure this. Checkbox "Replace color if exist" will do it. So program can overwrite players, who have color in notes. Or not, just will added only new opps in notes (players, who don't have color, only notes, will get color too).
Notes (text) will not be changed in anyway.


And sure i will let you know, when PT4 will added in full version. I hope that not only u waiting it. =)

PS your link broken =(

great, thanks. I'm waiting to hear from you
Here is a new link to the picture:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/hvt5jb.jpg

Available a new update for the program

- Added support for PT4
- Improved connectivity to remote databases (local network and online)

In PT4 uses stats Vpip - legacy, and Pfr -legacy.

If u have questions, ideas, or found some bugs, pls let me know. Skype Evilloneliness, or post here.

Is there a easier way to buy this? Paypal? Stars or Party transfer?

Unfortunately, no, only MoneyBookers. I understand that this is a problem, but until i can't do anything.

PokerTracker 4's VPIP and PFR stat calculations were adjusted to not include the times that all opponents fold to the big blind, walks counted in PT3 but not in PT4. We included the legacy VPIP and PFR stats for comparison, and for those players who wish to use the older format. We suggest that you use the built in Custom Global Player Scatter Graph to see the difference, place VPIP on the X axis and VPIP Legacy on the Y axis to see the difference.

We removed AutoRate in PT4 because this is an antiquated method of measuring opponent skill, it was monolithic in nature and encouraged poor player anaysis skills. Instead we will be adding Auto-Tagging, this is similar to AutoRate except now you will be able to apply multiple tags at the same time using multiple adjectives. AutoRate was mostly used by inexperienced players, we predict that both inexperienced players and expert players will find AutoTagging to be useful.

If you have any other questions about PT4 feel free to post in our thread to be sure we see your comments and questions. Hope this insight helps!

Thanks for your reply and help. I'll improve in the future.
And for your interest in my program. =)

And magx. Thanks too for help.

No problem, that's great.

Any chance you had the time to create the "VPIP-PFR gap" stat we talked about as well? This is the main way I quickly define fishes so i'm really waiting for it.
(by the way - I notice that you called it VPIP-PFR ratio on your last post, and I just wanted to make sure you understand it is not a ratio based stat. It gap based - i.e. the differences between the numbers. Look at my examples again, if you are not sure about it - let me know and I will explain in more depth)

As 'PokerTracker' wrote, I think in future versions of your program changing it to the PT4 VPIP/PFR instead of the Legacy editions will be smart. People who use PT4 will most likely use the new PT4 stats because they are the default and because they are more accurate.

Lastly, the fact that you only accept MoneyBookers is a real problem. Any chance you add PayPal/PokerStars or even WebMoney(though less helpful) option anytime soon?

I think most people who still used the auto rate system in PT3 did not use it to measure the overall opponent skill. Instead, we use it for quickly spot an opponent leak.

This comes very handy when multitalbing.

Just tested the new version with PT4 support, works great! It is also stunningly fast, colored a large database with 10000+ players in about a minute!

For those who doesn't understand what this tool does, it will use the PokerStars coloring system to color all players according to critera you set up (i.e. "Fish" with VPIP > 22 and Pfr < 16, "NIT", "LAG" etc). It uses the data in your HM or PT database that you have on these players. You can then log in to Pokerstars, and - already in the lobby - for each table see the distribution of "Fish","Nits" or "LAGS" or whatever categorization you have set up. This makes table selection a lot easier. The colors are also shown in the actual table which at least gives you a broad categorization of each player, but you can of course use PT/HM HUD to get more stats on each player. The big advantage in my opinion is seeing the player structure of each table in the lobby though, before I sit down.
Also the developer seems really dedicated and listens to customers.

(On a sidenote I agree with magx that in PT4, VPIP and Pfr should not be the legacy versions but the PT4 versions. And the VPIP-PFR gap stat sounds really good too... But I am so happy now, because now I can drop PT3 and use PT4 only!)

Hey guys, I apologize for not having answered quickly.

VPIP-PFR gap and Vpip\Pfr ratio will be added soon. I understand, that this different stats, not worry.

About Paypal\Stars. I can't receive money for purchase on PP, because Russian user can't withdraw money from this payment system. On Stars i can't receive now, because need play here, if u wanna withdraw money from transfers.
So that really only moneybookers.

garvin Thanks. Maybe I add your program description to the site?! =)
Sure that PT4's new Vpip, PFR will added too.


And finally (the reason why i didnt answer quickly).

Im working on a new version of the program (CT3).
New user-friendly and intuitive interface, will added support for PartyPoker, Ongame. New stats, new filters, faster performance.

You can read full a sample list of changes on website (and screenshot too). Website in my profile.
I hope you enjoy. =)

Good luck

CT3 looks really cool. I will definitely purchase it now that it has Party Poker support.

Thanks =) I'll let you know as soon as everything is ready.

A quick review of ColoringTool

Downside - I had to register to Moneybookers to buy this, took four days from signing up until my cc was approved.

Upside - This is a really really good tool. I play hyper sng and with this tool I have broken every player in my database into seven categories - unknown, fish, good reg, tight reg, nit, high 3bet and maniac.

Speed - very fast - If I ask it it to do one colouring it only takes seconds, if I ask it do everything at once it takes 1-2 mins for my whole database (hm1). I do have a powerful pc - might be slower for others.

This program would be even better with vpip/pfr gap but from comments in this thread I believe it is being worked on.

I use Tn to register my games, so my table selection isn't the best, this would be a great tool for those who manually register. If a tool becomes available which registers to sng based on colouring then this tool will become invaluable - I believe that tool is being worked on by a different developer.

Overall this is a very nice tool and very easy to use.

Uczenrybka Thank you for such a detailed review.

Coloring Tool only works with the default PT4 Database. I'm trying to make it work with another database but it seems to not work.

Hi Theodorus. What u mean? Program works with any database (option is at the center of the program's interface).
You need to enter everything in settings is case sensitive. So if you have "Hm1" database, but u typed "hm1" in program, it will not work. I guess problem with this.

Yeah I typed the database name correctly but it don't work