I suppose you could just run CardrunnersEV_C.exe/CardrunnersEV_T.exe directly.
CardrunnersEV.exe is the initial program that deals with the auto-update.

Have you tried running as admin for auto-updating? That often solves it. To do so, rightclick the icon and select "run as administrator".
Alternatively, you could try setting an exception in your virusscanner to the installation directory, just in case it's interfering with the software.

Cheers,

Scylla

I had the same problem a long time ago. Ended up reinstalling PC (not because of that, but ended up reinstallin) problem was then solved.

Maybe OP could try uninstalling CREV and reinstalling?

Does anyone know of any forums to discuss actual strategies and findings found by the product? I know there has been a few asking about that previously.

If not, would anyone be interested in joining one if I created it? I could set privacy rules so only those who actually bought it can join etc.

Something doesn't work - the website is down and the program doesn't start anymore. Even running CerdrunnersEV_C/T directly doesnt help... The process just quits after a second or so.

Any info?

Yes, it appears that yesterday, on Sunday of all days, the server went down (so not only my website, but also those of thousands of other people). It took quite some time for them to fix it, but it appears it's back up.

Sorry about the inconvenience.

Is there a way to set an "edge" in tournament mode?

Say I setup a hand where I set my range as "all hands" so I can click "alt+d" to see what hands are >0.00. Is there a way I can change this from 0.00 to a different number of my choosing? Some situations I want >0.05 and some I want >0.18

No, but I could add it for future versions.
For now, you might be able to use the "top %" toggle, which filters out the X% with the highest EV.

sounds like a cool idea for an update. i'd really enjoy having it.
is it possible for me to buy some "coaching" sessions from you for this program? if so please PM me details such as hourly and how i can reach you.

I'm afraid I don't offer coaching, sorry.

Is the site still down?

I was considering purchasing it to analyze a game I saw in a live casino near me.
The game works like this :

You start by paying an ante of 1 Unit, then you get an hold'em hand.
Then you can pay 2 Units to see a flop or not. The bank always calls.
Then you can bet 1 Unit or check. You'll see the turn anyway. The bank always check/calls.
Then you can bet 1 Unit or check. You'll see the river anyway. The bank always check/calls.

At the end there's a showdown, and the winner takes all. The bank doesn't match your ante except if you win with a straight or better.

So basically the bank has an advantage at the start , that you try to get back by making good value bets (basically at any time you have more than 50% equity vs a random hand, since the bank always calls).

Would I be able to calculate the EV of a perfect player in this game with your program? Thanks.

It's not specifically built for this, but you could definitely do some analysis with it. You'd need to build understanding of what sorts of boards hit a random hand in which way.
From what I understand here you might have a pretty big edge here if the bank is really this fishy. The 50% equity thing is not correct though. You actually require less than that. There's two reasons. First is that you have implied odds. Namely that after you see a flop you can decide whether or not to put more money in and the bank can't. Second is that there's money in the pot, which offers an overlay. I find it hard to believe that a casino would offer a game where they don't have an edge, but it might be worth looking into.




The site isn't actually down. It just can't be reached from some IPs, but it cán from others. The server went down Sunday, after which my website and thousands of others were suddenly unreachable from certain locations. The problem still hasn't been completely resolved. I'm doing what I can and I'll try to move the site to a different server that doesn't have issues.

The situation is improving as time progresses though. For now the site cán be reached from proxys, for example from this one in Canada:
http://www.thebestwebsearch.com/web-proxy/

I'm sure there's others as well.

Thanks for this.

As for this :

Seems you didn't quite understand (but maybe I explained it poorly). The only point where you need to decide between folding and "betting" is preflop. Then you decide between checking and betting. So for instance, if you have a big draw on the turn with 45.5% equity vs a random hand (say 87cc on Tc9c4x3x), there's no need to bet. I have no fold equity, so this bet would be minus EV. Just check and see if you hit.

When I played there I saw people betting their gutshots because they were "feeling it well" and checking Ax on paired flops because "you never know". So I could see how the casino would make a profit. I guess your program doesn't allow to bet if you have X% equity vs a defined range, but I'll still look into it. Thanks.

Yes, I was talking about the decision whether or not to put in the two bets preflop. The required equity is less than 50% since you have implied odds because villain is the ultimate calling station. And because the ante you posted is already in the pot, which offers an overlay.

No, it doesn't offer that feature. If I were living close to your casino I might add it though It sounds like this is worth looking into. I don't think any casino would offer a game where they don't have an edge, but I find it hard to see how this is a good spot for them against someone who'se done some math.



Oh, once again, to anyone who can't see www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com please try this proxy:
http://www.thebestwebsearch.com/web-proxy/

Hi guys,

For anyone who currently still can't reach the website, I've created a duplicate site:
www.crevtest.nl

I'll be moving the website to another hosting service in the coming days to completely resolve the connection issues.

Should you have mailed support but not gotten a response within 24 hours, please try again later or mail to crev_flopzilla@hotmail.com.

Cheers,

Scylla

You're right. I've done the math on this already and you need to see a flop with everything except 32o, 42o and 72o. I found it weird because you'd think they'd take advantage of the average gambler's tendancy to see a flop with everything, but in fact they make money from incorrect folds it seems.

Anyway thanks for your help, I think I'll give it a shot (plus I'm sure I'll use the program for more "traditional" poker stuff too )

And of course missed valuebets and incorrect valuebets.
Fwiw, I doubt it's very hard to write a simulator that can work out the exact mathematical solution to this game.
It should be fairly simple to program since there's no unknowns and a very basic bet or check setup.
I'd almost be inclined to write a simulator+trainer myself if this game were mainstream.




Hi guys,

For anyone who currently still can't reach the website, I've created a duplicate site:
www.crevtest.nl

I'll be moving the website to another hosting service in the coming days to completely resolve the connection issues.

Should you have mailed support but not gotten a response within 24 hours, please try again later or mail to crev_flopzilla@hotmail.com.

Cheers,

Scylla

You do know that if this is a house game there is no way you can beat it.

There is absolutely no way a casino has accidently started hosting a game where the player has an advantage.

Someone will have sat down and proved, mathematically, that the player cannot beat it before any casino would offer it.

Still fun to do the math though
It's a somewhat interesting puzzle.
Basically, ignoring the >=straight rule, the player needs to pay the house 1 bet to play a game where he can put in up to 5 bets against the ultimate calling station.
Gut-wise I'd expect a perfect player's strategy to be clearly more than 1 bet.

I agree that it's highly unlikely they've put a beatable game out there. Still, it's just this one casino that's offering this; it's not mainstream. Also, it's not unthinkable that it ís a losing game asuming perfect play, but given the way the majority of players would miss valuebets and make incorrect valuebets the casino might be willing to ignore that fact and just offer a game that, to me, sounds really fun. It doesn't matter if it's beatable if no one bothers to beat it. In the end, the French are a cool people



Oh, once again.
If anyone can't reach www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com, please use the alternate site www.crevtest.nl.
I've just begun the process of moving the entire website to another server to end all issues; should be at most a couple of days, but probably 24 hours.

I think the jist of why this isnt beatable is .. well the antes preflop!

But before you have seen a flop, you are putting in 3 units

Once you have seen the flop only 2 units go in.

The casino is playing ATC postflop but getting really good odds to call down with a huge range of hands.

Most of the time you will be holding Ahigh on the flop and the casino is getting a good price to call down and hit a pair.

Preflop they have a huge advantage, but postflop the casinos advantage is that there are only, at most, 2 small bets to call.

Unless i misunderstood the rules, when you win the hand you'll win the pot, so this will include the 3 units you put in before the flop.

If the player does not have to post the 1 bet in order to play, plays ATC and always checks down this game is neutral EV.

When you include the ante that's required to play, asuming the player gets it back when he wins the hand, then the EV of this game if the player plays ATC and always checks down is -0.5bet (ignoring the >=straight rule).

I'm having a hard time seeing how having the option whether or not to put in the two bets preflop, after which you have 2 (or 3? not really clear on that) chances to bet if you're ahead of villain's range does not amount to 0.5 bets. I'm not saying it's not possible that this is actually good for the house, I just don't see how.

Ok, I've run some simulations. I'm fairly certain it's close to breakeven with perfect play. I think it's a slightly losing game for the player. I'd have to write a special program to get the exact results, but I think I got close enough. If there's an edge for the player here, it's not big. My compliments to whoever came up with this game though

Is that close to break-even postflop or close to break-even overall?

Overall.
After putting in the ante the player will need to achieve a strategy that has an EV of 1 bet in order to break even.
From what I can tell, he'll get close to it with perfect play, but nevertheless not entirely there.
The >=straight thing adds about 0.05 bet (depending on the exact rule) and is probably a bonus that adds just enough to put regaining the ante only slightly out of reach.

2 chances : Before turn and before river.

Searching the net for the game yesterday I found it here by accident : https://www.betsafe.com/casino_game....meid=txsholdem (you can play it in play money without registering there)
Once I saw that I thought all chance of an edge was gone, since no internet site would allow a losing game versus a perfect bot. It's a shame though, because the game is really fun, much more than "traditional" house games.

Anyway thanks for the help!

Hello

A few days ago I bought the EV calculator CardRunners and the problem is that the
different trees does not count the fold equity.

I made that same breakdown as in the first part of the video.

A thank you in advance for your help.