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Old 08-27-2010, 07:22 PM   #1276
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

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Could you mail the savefile to stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com please?
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:29 PM   #1277
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As far as I can tell everything is actually working fine, unless you're talking about something else than I'm looking at.

In math mode, when a flop (or more) is known, preflop results aren't shown to cut down on calculation time. Reason is that these results aren't relevant, since if the flop is already known, you're most likely not trying to figure out your preflop EV anyhow. If you want to know the preflop numbers anyhow, just turn off math mode, since monte carlo mode dos show the preflop numbers in these cases.

What you're probably referring to is for instance that the BB's check "all hands" and after that the Button's bet 1 "all hands" occurs 100% of the time.
This is because you're in relative mode. The 100% means that you bet 100% of the time when you get to that part of the tree. In absolute mode this is weighed by the chance of actually getting to that part of the tree.

Was that what you were referring to or am I looking in the wrong place?

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Old 08-28-2010, 05:11 PM   #1278
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As far as I can tell everything is actually working fine, unless you're talking about something else than I'm looking at.

In math mode, when a flop (or more) is known, preflop results aren't shown to cut down on calculation time. Reason is that these results aren't relevant, since if the flop is already known, you're most likely not trying to figure out your preflop EV anyhow. If you want to know the preflop numbers anyhow, just turn off math mode, since monte carlo mode dos show the preflop numbers in these cases.

What you're probably referring to is for instance that the BB's check "all hands" and after that the Button's bet 1 "all hands" occurs 100% of the time.
This is because you're in relative mode. The 100% means that you bet 100% of the time when you get to that part of the tree. In absolute mode this is weighed by the chance of actually getting to that part of the tree.

Was that what you were referring to or am I looking in the wrong place?
Hey, thanks for getting back to me.

I'm referring to the fact that the pink and purple percentages representing the total probability a decision point is reach (including all pink hand possibilities) all read either 100% or 0%. So, for example, in the file I sent you, BB three bets 100%, calls 100%, and folds 100%, which doesn't make any sense.
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Old 08-28-2010, 05:22 PM   #1279
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Hey, thanks for getting back to me.

I'm referring to the fact that the pink and purple percentages representing the total probability a decision point is reach (including all pink hand possibilities) all read either 100% or 0%. So, for example, in the file I sent you, BB three bets 100%, calls 100%, and folds 100%, which doesn't make any sense.
I've attached a screenshot of what I'm looking at and what I'm seeing is correct.
BB raises to 2 64.8% of the time after button bets 1.
After he raises button will call 100% of the time, in other words with all of his hands.
Etc.

Do you get different results or are you perhaps looking at a different part of the tree?



Also, once again, should this be the cause of the misunderstanding: The percentages in relative mode indicate the percentage a certain action is taken given the fact that you've reached that part of the tree. Absolute mode actually weighs with the chance of getting to that part of the tree.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:53 AM   #1280
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Hi Scylla, I just bought stoxev and have been looking at the manual and training videos, perhaps I missed something but I don't see how I can do this...

If I select an opening range like this for instance....



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I don't know how to weight specific hole cards. I know we can weight the entire range by selecting the 100% button, but in reality if villain open raises in my example, he may only open raise a hand like 87s 25% of the time. So for instance we can do this in flopzilla, but I don't see how I can do it here. So in this example I wouldn't want to weight all the hands @ 25% for example because villain will be raising AA etc. 100% of the time, but like I said his opening range won't contain some other hands 100% of the time.

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Old 08-31-2010, 02:11 AM   #1281
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

If you first just add the hands in 100% range then click done then add a new condition for the 25% weighted range.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:48 AM   #1282
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If you first just add the hands in 100% range then click done then add a new condition for the 25% weighted range.
Ok thanks, I'll try that out.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:57 AM   #1283
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That worked just fine, thanks Makemegood
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:00 AM   #1284
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Hi,

I tried to import hands i played on ongame. I copy-pasted 2 hands via holdemmanager and tagged it as "prima" in StoxEV. One of them worked and the other didnt???

Can ongame be added?
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:37 AM   #1285
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I tried to import hands i played on ongame. I copy-pasted 2 hands via holdemmanager and tagged it as "prima" in StoxEV. One of them worked and the other didnt???

Can ongame be added?
If you use holdem manager then you can import any hh from any site it supports by copy pasting the hh from it, pasting it and selecting "holdem manager" under the supported sites.
Since HEM offers this I've decided not to expand the list of supported sites any more.
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Old 09-01-2010, 02:20 AM   #1286
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Hi Scylla, Everyone.

I'm trying to figure out how ranges carry over street to street post flop when we use weights. I know the popup help says that "Weights don't have a memory" But I'm still a bit confused, let me illustrate.

Pre-Flop the cutoff raises to 3 dollars with AA and the button calls. 6 Combos of AA.





On the Flop cutoff c-bets 2/3 pot with his entire range of AA and button calls. 6 Combos of AA.



On the Turn cutoff bets 2/3 pot with 50% of his range of AA and 50% he folds and the button calls.

Now at this point It is my understanding that on the turn the cutoffs range still consists of 6 combos of AA and he chooses to bet only 50% and fold 50%.





Ok, this is the part where I am not sure of what is happening. When we get to the river does the cutoff now only have 3 combos of AA in his range? Or does he still have the original 6 combos starting from his pre-flop range? So on the river the Cutoff here Bets 50% again, so does this mean he is betting 1.5 combos of AA because we got to the river with 3 combos and now we are betting half of 3 combos? My question applies to any type of range, so for another example if there is a raise pre flop with AKs,AKo (16 combos) and we weight that to 50% and the raiser flops TPTK the raiser should have 6 combos of TPTK instead of 12 combos correct?



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Old 09-01-2010, 10:44 AM   #1287
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Hi Scylla, Everyone.

I'm trying to figure out how ranges carry over street to street post flop when we use weights. I know the popup help says that "Weights don't have a memory" But I'm still a bit confused, let me illustrate.

Pre-Flop the cutoff raises to 3 dollars with AA and the button calls. 6 Combos of AA.





On the Flop cutoff c-bets 2/3 pot with his entire range of AA and button calls. 6 Combos of AA.



On the Turn cutoff bets 2/3 pot with 50% of his range of AA and 50% he folds and the button calls.

Now at this point It is my understanding that on the turn the cutoffs range still consists of 6 combos of AA and he chooses to bet only 50% and fold 50%.





Ok, this is the part where I am not sure of what is happening. When we get to the river does the cutoff now only have 3 combos of AA in his range? Or does he still have the original 6 combos starting from his pre-flop range? So on the river the Cutoff here Bets 50% again, so does this mean he is betting 1.5 combos of AA because we got to the river with 3 combos and now we are betting half of 3 combos? My question applies to any type of range, so for another example if there is a raise pre flop with AKs,AKo (16 combos) and we weight that to 50% and the raiser flops TPTK the raiser should have 6 combos of TPTK instead of 12 combos correct?



-Thank you
Hi,

He's betting 1.5 combos of AA on the river.
His total number of combos is also 1.5.
So his range is 1.5/1.5*100%=100% AA.

However, if he had AA or KK then originally he would have 6 AA combos and 6 KK combos, with a total of 12 combos.
After betting only 50% AA and 100% KK he would have 3 AA combos and 6 KK combos.
After again betting only 50% AA on the river he would have 1.5 AA combos and 6 KK combos with a total of 7.5 combos.
So at the river he would have 1.5/7.5*100%=20% AA and 80% KK.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:25 PM   #1288
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Thanks Scylla, I got it now. Great software I'm really enjoying it! I'll get back to you with any more questions I can't figure out.
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He's betting 1.5 combos of AA on the river.
His total number of combos is also 1.5.
So his range is 1.5/1.5*100%=100% AA.

However, if he had AA or KK then originally he would have 6 AA combos and 6 KK combos, with a total of 12 combos.
After betting only 50% AA and 100% KK he would have 3 AA combos and 6 KK combos.
After again betting only 50% AA on the river he would have 1.5 AA combos and 6 KK combos with a total of 7.5 combos.
So at the river he would have 1.5/7.5*100%=20% AA and 80% KK.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:17 PM   #1289
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Hey scylla, can you check out tab movement in shoving tool when you got time. It doesnt move from top to bottom.
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:02 PM   #1290
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Hey scylla, can you check out tab movement in shoving tool when you got time. It doesnt move from top to bottom.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I'll fix it in a couple of days.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:12 AM   #1291
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Hello,
when I try to run StoxEv it says
- Checking online for new versions...
Starting StoxEv
this window will close in 5 seconds

and the the program closes. I have downloaded the latest version
what can be the reason for this?
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:00 AM   #1292
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when I try to run StoxEv it says
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Starting StoxEv
this window will close in 5 seconds

and the the program closes. I have downloaded the latest version
what can be the reason for this?
First of all, for some reason it takes about 30 seconds now before StoxEV starts.

Second possible reason is that your virus scanner may be recognizing a false positive. In that case you'll need to set it so it doesn't scan the StoxEV folder.


I'll see if I can release an update that fixes these issues within a couple of hours.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:59 PM   #1293
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Ok, I've posted a new version which does not show the 30 second startup delay and should also stop showing false positives on some virus scanners. StoxEV should automatically update upon startup.
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Old 09-08-2010, 04:11 PM   #1294
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Does anyone else have the problem that you cannot select hands in the hand-condition popup ? I doubleclick on "all hands" to make my selection and as soon as i try to click the percentage-bar oder some single combination the popup closes instantly ?!

i'm using win 7 with the aero theme.
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Does anyone else have the problem that you cannot select hands in the hand-condition popup ? I doubleclick on "all hands" to make my selection and as soon as i try to click the percentage-bar oder some single combination the popup closes instantly ?!

i'm using win 7 with the aero theme.
Hi Wombert,

Is this preflop or postflop?
And are you a registered user or are you working in trial mode?

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Old 09-08-2010, 04:16 PM   #1296
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

it doesnt matter if pre- or postflop. the only thing that works is if i click on text input/output.
i'm on trial mode. just downloaded it few hours ago.

but the whole software behaves quite slow. it takes some time if i double click in the trees,etc and i am using a fairly new PC (quadcore,etc). tried to get it running in XP compatibility mode but didnt change a thing.
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Old 09-08-2010, 04:21 PM   #1297
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it doesnt matter if pre- or postflop. the only thing that works is if i click on text input/output.
i'm on trial mode. just downloaded it few hours ago.

but the whole software behaves quite slow. it takes some time if i double click in the trees,etc and i am using a fairly new PC (quadcore,etc). tried to get it running in XP compatibility mode but didnt change a thing.
Hi Wombert,

It could just be some weird encryption glitch.
I'm about to release a new version so please check back within a few hours and try again.
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Ok, new version is up.

StoxEV will be rebranding into CardrunnersEV from now on.
If you are a registered user, please not that your registration is in no way affected by this rebranding process.
Your regkey.dat file will still work for CardrunnersEV.
Upon starting CardrunnersEV you will be prompted for the previous location of StoxEV and all your custom files (including regkey.dat for registered users) will be moved.
Should this automatic move of files go wrong for some reason, please go "help->transfer your StoxEV custom files" in the menu.
Should this process fail entirely for some reason, the custom files that need to be moved are:
- customconditions.txt
- customranges.txt
- defaultrange.txt
- preflopranges.txt
- range.txt
- regkey.dat (only for registered users)

For the latest version please go to www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com.

Thank you for your patience in case of any glitches.

Cheers,

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Old 09-09-2010, 11:36 AM   #1299
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Hey,
downloaded the new version and everything worked fine for about 10 minutes. I was able to make changes in the tree, etc. Popups weren't closing everytime,etc but then the program crashed and since then i have the same problem again. If i want to select a range of hands or a condition for postflop decisions the popup instantly closes.
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Hey,
downloaded the new version and everything worked fine for about 10 minutes. I was able to make changes in the tree, etc. Popups weren't closing everytime,etc but then the program crashed and since then i have the same problem again. If i want to select a range of hands or a condition for postflop decisions the popup instantly closes.
Hi Wombert,

First of all, this may be caused by not running the program as admin.

If that's not it, could you try deleting the following files and then check if it works again (even if it's briefly)?
- customconditions.txt
- customranges.txt
- defaultrange.txt
- preflopranges.txt
- range.txt
A possible cause is that one of these files is getting corrupted somehow. Deleting them should fix that.

Please let me know if that fixes it.

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