No, the EV on the call is still -07.
This is for the same reason that playing 72o preflop is not justified by the fact that you will win a large pot if you hit a flop like 722 or A72 or A22, etc.
The large pots you may win when you hit gin do not justify making a bad call before the point where it is known that you will hit gin.

So over the long term calling in that spot is bad?

I would imagine so yes.
If you send me the savefile at stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com I'll have a look, just to make sure there's no miscommunication here.

Ok will do also it says it need 30-1 to chase an ace high gut shot on the flop if i say the villain has a set. Anyway let me get that file.

you have mail

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hi
is it possible to choose various starting hands of just one suit? say like Ahxh, all of them. i can only choose the specific suit when only choosing one hand.

No it's not, since in hold'em you also don't distinguish between AhKh and AdKd before the flop.
In designing the interface I decided to make it resemble the decisions in the hand as they occur in hold'em.
You'll have to apply these kinds of filters after the flop.

A player might chose to only play red suited cards as a way to get 50% of xy suited (say X and Y are non broadway, non-gapped junk). This could be modeled by weighting the xys range.

I'm trying to figure out something. I want to figure out a range that I can shove from the small blind, while still having a 3bet/calling range. The range that I wanted to try was a2s-a8s and 22-55. I entered the button minraising. Sb shoving that range. a calling range for the bb. and a calling range for the button, both for when the bb calls and folds. I hit calculate and it seemed like it worked but some of the ev numbers have to be off. for example, its saying that its -1400$ for the button to call with QQ after the bb has called, but +1973$ for the button to call with JJ there. (starting stacks are 1500 and blinds 25/50). is there something i'm doing wrong?

Could you please send me the savefile so I can have a closer look?

Cheers,

Scylla

I've just started using StoxEV and I'm just having a little trouble understanding something. I have made a simulation to show the EV of cold 4betting vs various ranges. I wanted to see the EV of 4betting with different hands, because I figured that holding blockers would increase the EV due to card removal.

If I set the 4bet range to ATo only, it shows that it has an EV of $2.29.



If I then add 22 to the range, it shows that the EV of 22 is $.66 and the EV of ATo has changed to $1.38, with the total EV being the sum of these two numbers ($2.04).



I cannot see how adding 22 to the range would decrease the EV of ATo. Shouldn't the EV of ATo stay the same? And if the EV of 22 is different to that of ATo, then the total EV of the hand should be the average of the EVs of the two hands, rather than the sum of those numbers?

Could you mail me the savefile at stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com please so I can take a closer look?

Thanks to scylla for sorting out my problem so quickly via email. Excellent customer service.

please share what the solution was.

Was it a sort of "absolute vs relative EV" kind of thing (not exactly that but similar)?

The setting was absolute.
Therefore all EVs are weighed by the chance of reaching a certain part of the tree.
Now normally speaking this shouldn't affect anything, but since this was the first decision the player had either ATo or 22 (instead of the entire range) and suddenly the ATo had a weight of 60% vs 40% for 22.

Anyhow, the relative setting is in almost all cases the preferred one (and if it's not, you'll most likely realize that you need the absolute setting).
To protect against accidental switching of these modes I'll be making some small changes in the next release.

I have the villain's range as every hand except 22.
Hero has 6 combos of 22.

There are 775 combos of >=1p.
There are 300 combos of air remaining.

I set villain to bet 30% of his air (300*.3 = 90 combos).
Villain will now bet 775 combos which are >=1p and 90 combos of air = 865 combos out of 1075 total (80.4%)

StoxEv shows villain betting 82% of the time. Where did I go wrong ?






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Also, StoxEv has the 775 combos of >=1p as 74.2% of all possible hands.
I think 775/1075 = 72%.

I am confused.

This is actually a small "bug" in the combo counting due to not including card removal from villain's range.
If villain holds a specific hand (for instance AcKs), then counting the combos will be done correctly.
If villain holds a range, then his hand is considered as random in the combo counting, meaning its card removal effect will be ignored.

For instance, if hero holds 2c2d and villain holds A2s, then in reality villain can only hold Ah2h or As2s.
However, due to this card removal issue, when you specify just 22 (instead of 2c2d) then StoxEV doesn't know which specific suit to put hero on and asumes all A2s combos to be possible.
To get the correct combos, just select a specific suit for 22.

Fwiw:
It's actually not even possible to count combos with inclusion of card removal if both players hold a range. The only exception is when this "range" is one specific hand value, such as 22, meaning 2c2d,2c2s,2c2h,2s2d,2s2h,2d2h. Once several hand values are involved, it's no longer possible. So, when using one specific hand value, just select the suit.

I gave hero 2h2c and the program says villain bets 82.2% of the time now. If I read your reply above correctly, then villain should now bet 80.4%.
thxs for your help

I'm getting different percentages over here.
Could you please mail me the savefile at stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com?

Could you please add the name of the "perpetrating" program to this message box? I'm running no monitor programs at all and I feel kinda dumb restarting my computer every time StoxEV decides I'm about to reverse engineer it.

I'm afraid that information is not available to me, since it's given by the protection software. I don't get this report a lot though, so it's something pretty rare you're running. Have you tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del, starting task management and checking the memory for active processes?

Yeah I did, closed about everything including the explorer.exe, HEM/ import/HUD, Stars, etc. No idea what this could be. Can you point me to a resource/API reference?

I don't have any such resource, but I could send an e-mail to the encryption company. Are you really not running anything unusual? I get this report basically never.