Confused yet again
villains flop stats=set 50% tp 33% air 17 percent
my hand middle pair
eq=65

Yes i did remember to highlight middle pair.

here is a pic of the tree with nothing highlighted.


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now i figure stoxev is better at math then me and i likely mucked up at some point but his range is crushing mp 83 percent of the time so how can i be the fav equity wise? It is almost like it has the eq reversed.

oh i will buy this soon as i get to 10nl and i learn how to use the trial correctly.

Reason is that the 17%-hc condition, against which you have a lot of equity, occurs 10.7% of the time, while the 33%-tp and 50%-set occur only 3.20% and 0.30% respectively.
So at the point of your decision of calling with mp you'll have the best hand the majority of the time.

Ok well me thinks i'm entering in faulty data then. The particular player that i'm building an equity chart against actually has a set 50 percent of the time in the spot that I'm analyzing. I'm trying to figure my eq when he call limps pre-flop then donks the flop. he has done this 112 times. If i break it down he has had a set 56 times tp 37 times and air 20 times.

First thing you should do is give him a realistic preflop range.
Right now his chance of hitting a set in the first place is not in the correct proportion to hitting something else.
After that you should just use the conditions set,tp,air with 100% weight and have a look how often they occur.
Then tinker a bit until the percentages are the correct ones.

So weight doesn't= the percentage of something occurring ? I think thatds one place where i have been messing up then. I thought that if i told the program hand X has a weight of 70 i was saying hand x is the hand that the villain has 70 percent of the time.

No, it means "70% of the times he has a set", not "70% of the times".

Anyway to make it register 70 percent of times? I'm trying to make charts to maximize to ev versus robotic unchanging players. For the sake of argument lets say a player bets into me. It's set in stone that he will have air 20 percent of the time and a set or better 80 percent of the time. He will always fold his air to a raise. What the eq of tptk versus that range and what is the ev of semi bluffing. Anyway to get stox to figure this out for me? I'm not talking about in play use i just want to use it to figure that kinda stuff out while away from the tables.

It would be a handy feature, however, obviously, a lot harder to get it to work in reality, since simply accepting a condition 70% of the time it occurs is relatively "easy" (actually it's not easy at all).
Getting this done would require:
- A clear way of communicating how this feature works to the user (if nobody understands it, or if very few know that this feature exists, it's pointless)
- The tree would need to be recomputed several times to get all the percentages right
- There's a lot of potential for errors on the part of the user, since he/she may demand more or less than 100% in total, as well as a bunch of other stuff, each of which may cause confusion

All in all, pretty hard to get it to really work I'd say.

I have no idea what type of programing it would take but you could do something like this. Tell stox player bets 100 dollars then a screen comes up where you can select different hands then select what percentage of time that is the hand that he has when he bets. I know i'm doing a terrible job of explaining but it would work similar to the weight system. To the common user like myself it would just be an extra that you put a number in after selecting the hand and that would tell the program how often you expect villain to have hand X in situation X. Or perhaps an easier way would be say hey stoxev this dude has re raised me on the flop 100 times. Of those times he had a set 15 times a flush 10 times and a set or over pair 75 times.

There's still some issues with that.

For instance, let's asume villain has a set 0,5% of the time and a flushdraw 10% of the time.

Now let's say that you tell StoxEV that villain bets with 50% set and 50% flushdraw, which on first glance sounds very reasonable.

First of all, in the most "aggressive" scenario this would mean that he'd bet his set 100% of the time and his flushdraw 5% of the time he has one, which would be an odd mix. If I gave it some more thought, I could probably come up with some more examples that make even much less sense, especially if sevaral conditions with weights are used.

Second, the above still has not specified how often villain will bet his set. It's not necessarily 100% of the time. Exactly one of the weights would need to be specified so that the relative frequencies can be determined. This would result in a complex interface challenge on the user end. And if too few people understand how to use it properly, adding the feature is a counter-productive enterprise.


By the way, how do you actually determine villain's betting frequencies? Is there some software for that?

well i did it the hard way. I actually pick out a villain in hem that i have at least 2k hands on. Then i select that villain as the hero and filter for say called raise pre flop then bet flop. In other words i want to find his donk betting range. Then i count how many times he has donked the flop but i only count the times that i can see his hole cards. If the the total number is 100 and he has a set or better 50 percent of the time and air 50 percent of the time if stoxev had the feature i would then open that program and say hey stox this dude just shoved into me on the flop and i know this is a set 50 percent of the time and air the other 50 percent. I have a flushdraw + a gs please be telling me what my equity is. Also i would not really worry about weights in this situation. Cause i'm not trying to find out how often bets hand X i'm trying to find out how often he has hand x in situation y as well as hands abc and what my equity with hand Q is. Your program goes part way but it looks like i need to ask the nice folks in the beginners forum for some help. I mean if my eq is 12 percent 50 percent of the time and 30 percent the other 50 percent of the time their must be a way to figure out my over all eq. I think it's 21 in this example but i'm not sure.

I've read in the thread that you scylla have made some videos on showing how StoxEV works and I can't find them. On the website it says that Stoxpoker have instructional videos on how to use StoxEV but stoxpoker is down. Does anyone know where you can find the videos?

Hi Pickaface,

Until yesterday the videos were still available in the stoxpoker archives.
Unfortunately the archive is now no longer accessible.
I'm working on resolving the situation and should have an alternate location in (hopefully) a short while.

Cheers,

Scylla

Ok, thanks!

this looks pretty sweet, I'll definitely give it a shot.

I know I asked for this two days ago but I'm really interested in when you will upload the tutorial videos since I'm really want to learn about this program and also buy a lincense.

Oh, darnit.
I forgot to answer your post there.
I was playing multiple tables and decided to wait until I was done, then forgot about it.
The videos should be up on an alternate location soon enough, but I'll see if I can put them up on megaupload as well for the time being.
Also, you might want to try the written manual.
It's located at c:/program files/StoxEV/StoxEV/StoxEVtutorial/manual.htm.

If I buy license will it only work on one computer? I've got a laptop that I use frequently, will I have to buy another license for that one aswell?

It's one key per license, however a second license comes at a discount of $60.

So if I want to use on both my desktop and laptop I have to buy two licenses but on the second license I get discount of $60, right?

That is correct.

Ok this may sound like a silly question but it's one i need to know the answer to. Ok say my opponent bets on the flop and i call. Stoxev says the calls is -07 ev. I hit a big hand on the turn and shove. stox says i will make 40 cents on average versus villains calling range. It's correct to call on the flop because i make so much when i hit my gin card? The ev would on a call would be 33 cents?