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05-17-2021 , 05:21 PM
Scylla, I just went on to say that I'm looking forward to the new gto + update.

I also want to take the opportunity to say that the competition (GTO W **** d, L *** d GTO, GTOx etc) is developing very dynamic and intuitive interfaces, and I hope that GTO + continues on that path.


It goes without saying and I dare to say that many of the users would gladly pay for a good update of GTO +, understanding that it is not a subscription system and not all the updates you do will not be able to monetize it.



As a reference, they took as an example the filter system of GTO W **** d ...
I find it very good to be able to filter or select more than one morphology of the range, to be able to choose the 1-card backdoor suiteds to see the% bet,
To be able to make the table of hands dynamic by choosing to order them by higher or lower percentage of bet or check / higher or lower EV, etc. Etc...

They are things that have been requested through the time where the competition advanced, it would be nice to have them!
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05-17-2021 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lagux
I looked it up. It turned out that the difference for the AQJ raindow flop and two monotone for example is 16gb. This surprised me!

edit: There are very large differences in ram requirements between some flops. Is there any list of which are the most demanding?
Rainbow flops are the most demanding.
Monotone flops are the least demanding.
Paired and 2flush flops are somewhere in between.
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05-19-2021 , 03:26 PM
Hi, when will GTO+ be back for sale? Are we talking weeks or months or even longer?
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05-19-2021 , 08:46 PM
whats the best and fastest way to copy ranges to gto+?
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05-20-2021 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by forsure
whats the best and fastest way to copy ranges to gto+?
Your ranges are stored in /config/newdefs3.txt.
Both GTO+ and FlopzillaPro use this file.
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05-20-2021 , 08:59 AM
Hi Scylla,

Started using gto+, and am a bit confused.



So, my question is, on the screenshot above, how come the number of combos in the column show up as decimal numbers instead of just "1" ?

Also, the overall EV shows up as 4.83, but for some reason, when I edit the tree and add checking as an option for oop, otr on the same board, it shows a lower EV for some reason, as shown here.



Am a bit confused, because solver should have higher EV if we give it more options. I think I am overlooking something.

Edit: Ok, I see that the turn calling frequency changed for IP player, so we're not dealing with the same ranges. Need to check why this is happening.
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05-20-2021 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Icecreamcone
Hi Scylla,

Started using gto+, and am a bit confused.



So, my question is, on the screenshot above, how come the number of combos in the column show up as decimal numbers instead of just "1" ?

Also, the overall EV shows up as 4.83, but for some reason, when I edit the tree and add checking as an option for oop, otr on the same board, it shows a lower EV for some reason, as shown here.



Am a bit confused, because solver should have higher EV if we give it more options. I think I am overlooking something.

Edit: Ok, I see that the turn calling frequency changed for IP player, so we're not dealing with the same ranges. Need to check why this is happening.
The EV will be different because the decision will be reached with different ranges.
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05-20-2021 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GEOMETRY
Hi, when will GTO+ be back for sale? Are we talking weeks or months or even longer?
+1
I also want to buy gto+
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05-20-2021 , 03:42 PM
Take our money, Scylla!

Let us buy the Program! :P
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05-22-2021 , 01:41 PM
Anyone know why when I MERG 6DBs with a total of 106 flops it leaves out 1DB? The DB it leaves out is the DB that I opened up to start the MERGE. So essentially after the MERGE I only get 86 flops instead of 106.
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05-22-2021 , 02:28 PM
I guess its just easier to export ALL the flops from each individual DB into a dir and then MERGE all those flops. That seemed to work.
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05-22-2021 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpstar1976
I guess its just easier to export ALL the flops from each individual DB into a dir and then MERGE all those flops. That seemed to work.
Yes, that's correct.
The database is cleared prior to merging the files.
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05-22-2021 , 08:52 PM
Say I run a solve with 4 sizes on the flop, and then I want to remove 2 of the sizes. My understanding is that there are at least 2 methods to accomplish this task.

#1 - Edit Tree > Import Tree > Remove the sizes I don't want > Accept Changes > Resolve

#2 - Build Tree > Remove Sizes > Build New tree > Resolve


Is that right?

Is there any difference between either method other than the steps.
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05-23-2021 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Say I run a solve with 4 sizes on the flop, and then I want to remove 2 of the sizes. My understanding is that there are at least 2 methods to accomplish this task.

#1 - Edit Tree > Import Tree > Remove the sizes I don't want > Accept Changes > Resolve

#2 - Build Tree > Remove Sizes > Build New tree > Resolve


Is that right?

Is there any difference between either method other than the steps.
You would need to use the first method.
In the second method you're editing the tree, and then building a new one (thus losing your edits).
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05-23-2021 , 08:42 AM
Can someone tell me why people are asking when they can buy GTO+? Is it not available at the moment? Or is that people are waiting for the new update to be released?

About that: when is the new update coming out? And do old users get it along with their existing license or is this a new product like Pio 2.0?
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05-25-2021 , 08:40 AM
Hi scylla,

Thanks for the update, I have no problem so far.

I have a new feature request: I have a lot of databases stored in basic storage, and I'd like to convert them to extensive storage. Could you add a way to do this without having to resolve the entire tree? (I have multiple ideas on how to do it, but I'd like to know what you think first).


And also, on the advanced code page on your website, the screenshot shows B2AM# as the code, but you don't explain what the A is for.
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05-25-2021 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hi scylla,
Thanks for the update, I have no problem so far.
I have a new feature request: I have a lot of databases stored in basic storage, and I'd like to convert them to extensive storage. Could you add a way to do this without having to resolve the entire tree? (I have multiple ideas on how to do it, but I'd like to know what you think first).
We have added an option to convert "Extensive" to "Basic".
It's however not possible to do it the other way around.

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Originally Posted by rogorz
And also, on the advanced code page on your website, the screenshot shows B2AM# as the code, but you don't explain what the A is for.
I think that's a mistake on our and.
I'll correct the screenshot.
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05-25-2021 , 11:56 AM
Hi Scylla,

Is it possible in the starting range editor to copy paste for example 2 ranges which are complementary to each other and store them together as grouped ranges? Or one can only manually select the partial groups of 1 existing range?
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05-25-2021 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorryb
Hi Scylla,

Is it possible in the starting range editor to copy paste for example 2 ranges which are complementary to each other and store them together as grouped ranges? Or one can only manually select the partial groups of 1 existing range?
You can only store separate ranges.
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05-25-2021 , 12:45 PM
Okay, thanks!
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05-25-2021 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
We have added an option to convert "Extensive" to "Basic".
It's however not possible to do it the other way around.
Can you explain why?
The solver solves the turn & river every time I look at a tree solved with basic storage and select a turn card, what stops you from solving every turn the same way and storing the result?
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05-25-2021 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Can you explain why?
The solver solves the turn & river every time I look at a tree solved with basic storage and select a turn card, what stops you from solving every turn the same way and storing the result?
We have tried that, but surprisingly this takes almost exactly as long as just solving the entire tree.
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05-25-2021 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
We have tried that, but surprisingly this takes almost exactly as long as just solving the entire tree.
Oh, I see.

In that case, I'm going to ask again for the next best thing: could you add a way to change the default turn & river solve accuracy to something other than 0.25%? It's annoying to constantly have to click the re-solve icon when browsing trees in basic storage when I want more accuracy (especially when playing against the solution)

Thanks!
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05-26-2021 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Oh, I see.

In that case, I'm going to ask again for the next best thing: could you add a way to change the default turn & river solve accuracy to something other than 0.25%? It's annoying to constantly have to click the re-solve icon when browsing trees in basic storage when I want more accuracy (especially when playing against the solution)

Thanks!
Ok, I will take it under consideration.
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05-26-2021 , 05:34 AM
Hello, couple of new suggestions I have:

1. Can you redo the node locking like PIO? I seem to be using PIO/Monker and GTO+ and it would be nice if I can copy PIO/Monker bet/check range to GTO+. I cannot think of a way to do this than just manually copying by putting in the percentages of each combo manually

2. Would be nice to have a percentage EV of the node when I hover "EV". Now it only shows villain's ev
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