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Old 05-01-2010, 11:00 PM   #1151
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I have a trial version. Yesterday it was all right, but today I cannot start it. I launch StoxEV.exe then window appears: "Starting StoxEV. This window will close in 5 secs". After that - nothing. Run as admin as usual.
Ok, fixed.
Try again please.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:00 PM   #1152
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I have a trial version. Yesterday it was all right, but today I cannot start it. I launch StoxEV.exe then window appears: "Starting StoxEV. This window will close in 5 secs". After that - nothing. Run as admin as usual.
OMG. It works again! What a wonder. Can someone explain that strange behavior?
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:01 PM   #1153
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Ehm ... I fixed it?

Thanks for reporting the problem.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:01 PM   #1154
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Ok, fixed.
Try again please.
Oh, thx man! so problem wasn't in my machine?
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:02 PM   #1155
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No, I accidentally made the current version expire, so I had to post a new one.
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:54 AM   #1156
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

Sweet updates scylla. This beast just keeps getting better and better.
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:48 AM   #1157
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

love the updates Scylla, it's so much quicker building a tree now!

Something I'd love to see is the ability to save a certain set of conditions for easy recall. eg one I use all the time for a typical raise in LHE is '>1p, oesd, fd'. If I could access this in 1 click instead of 3 separate processes it's be another huge time saver.
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:50 PM   #1158
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No, I accidentally made the current version expire, so I had to post a new one.
So how much do you have DRM? You keep on using it (I'm not complaining) so presumably it is very +EV.

Oh, and please do a StoxEV or even flopzilla for PLO. pretty please?

TANGENT: we represent NLHE hole cards as a 2-d array. How would you graphically represent PLO hands? Or even textually?
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:41 AM   #1159
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love the updates Scylla, it's so much quicker building a tree now!

Something I'd love to see is the ability to save a certain set of conditions for easy recall. eg one I use all the time for a typical raise in LHE is '>1p, oesd, fd'. If I could access this in 1 click instead of 3 separate processes it's be another huge time saver.
+1 Being able to copy/paste or save and reuse conditions and groups of conditions would be awesome
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:38 AM   #1160
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So how much do you have DRM? You keep on using it (I'm not complaining) so presumably it is very +EV.
No comment on protection, sorry

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Oh, and please do a StoxEV or even flopzilla for PLO. pretty please?

TANGENT: we represent NLHE hole cards as a 2-d array. How would you graphically represent PLO hands? Or even textually?
The problem for desiging PLO software is twofold.
First one, as you point out, is to devise some sort of system for defining preflop ranges, which is easy to use and understand.
Second is to design an output format that is understandable, since there's hundreds of combinations of made hands+draws.
I haven't been able to figure it out yet, and to the best of my understanding, neither has anyone else.
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:39 AM   #1161
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+1 Being able to copy/paste or save and reuse conditions and groups of conditions would be awesome
Thinking about it, it's one hell of a lot of coding to say the least.
Maybe the best way to do it hasn't hit me yet.
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:23 PM   #1162
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Re: StoxEV: EV calculations with decision trees

scylla,

how can I display the total strategy value when i start my tree postflop? Is the EV displayed at each decision node an average? is there any way to make this the total?

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Old 05-13-2010, 10:30 AM   #1163
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scylla,

how can I display the total strategy value when i start my tree postflop? Is the EV displayed at each decision node an average? is there any way to make this the total?

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First of all, sorry for my somewhat slow response.
I was travelling over the past week and put certain things on hold for that time (with the exception of key generation and such of course).

EV is the amount of money you expect to make (or lose) on average in a given decision.
The first decision node that StoxEV displays is the one áfter you've already posted the blinds.
Strategy EV is nothing more than your EV at the decision whether or not you should post your blind and play the hand.
Since this decision node is not displayed in the decision tree it is possible to display it separately in the upper left of the screen (to turn this on/off go to extra->display strategy EV sb vs bb).
When you start your tree postflop it is no longer possible to determine what happened preflop and therefore it's not possible to recreate the strategy EV.
For that reason strategy EV is not displayed when starting postflop.

As for the displayed EVs:
The EV that is displayed below a decision node is the total amount of money you'll make/lose for all the actions in that decision.
You can also display the EV of individual actions and conditions by moving your mouse over them.
A popup will show their EV in the last line at the top of the popup.
The matrix with individual starting hands will even show how much each hand makes.

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Old 05-15-2010, 09:01 AM   #1164
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Hello,
how can I import hands from HEM into Stoxev?
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Old 05-15-2010, 09:04 AM   #1165
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Hello,
how can I import hands from HEM into Stoxev?
Sure, just copy paste the hand history into StoxEV using the "AQ" icon (second on the right).
To get the hand history from HEM, left-click it and select "view selected hand histories".
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Old 05-23-2010, 03:31 AM   #1166
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hi how do i do the following in stoxev Say for having a big amount of data i know that when villain raises the flop he has top pair 20% of the time and 2 pair+ 40 percent of the time and he is bluffing the other 40 percent of the time. I want to find out what the equity is of different hands versus his flop raising range?
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Old 05-23-2010, 06:42 AM   #1167
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hi how do i do the following in stoxev Say for having a big amount of data i know that when villain raises the flop he has top pair 20% of the time and 2 pair+ 40 percent of the time and he is bluffing the other 40 percent of the time. I want to find out what the equity is of different hands versus his flop raising range?
Let him raise all in.
Then call with all your hands.
Then compute with F7.
Now hover over the call action so you get the popup that shows the EV for each hand.
Then press Alt+E and StoxEV will toggle to equity mode, and will show the equity of each starting hand.

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Old 05-23-2010, 06:58 AM   #1168
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Let him raise all in.
Then call with all your hands.
Then compute with F7.
Now hover over the call action so you get the popup that shows the EV for each hand.
Then press Alt+E and StoxEV will toggle to equity mode, and will show the equity of each starting hand.

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Ty but i find this a bit perplexing



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Old 05-23-2010, 07:01 AM   #1169
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Could you send the savefile please to stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com?
For now, what is the flop?
Also, the Alt+E toggle will only work in the registered version, so this won't work for you unfortunately.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:01 AM   #1170
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If vill has tp 34% over pair 50 percent middle pair 1 percent over 1 percent and 2 pair or better 14 percent of the time how is it a str8 only has 25 percent equity?
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:18 AM   #1171
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Ty but i find this a bit perplexing

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Could you send the savefile please to stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com?

Also, the Alt+E toggle will only work in the registered version, so this won't work for you unfortunately.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:21 AM   #1172
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If vill has tp 34% over pair 50 percent middle pair 1 percent over 1 percent and 2 pair or better 14 percent of the time how is it a str8 only has 25 percent equity?
You mean the 25.6% equity of the decision?
It's not the straight that has that equity, it's the entire "all hands" range, since at the time of that decision "all hands" is what your range is.
To get the equity of the straight, move your mouse over the "straight" condition and the popup will show you its equity.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:23 AM   #1173
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Could you send the savefile please to stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com?

Also, the Alt+E toggle will only work in the registered version, so this won't work for you unfortunately.
Didn't save but i'll rerun the tree and if it messes up again i'll send you the file. Quick question when tinkering with different ranges do i need to restart stox? Cause i have just been useing the x button to close part of the tree and restart at that point.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:27 AM   #1174
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You mean the 25.6% equity of the decision?
It's not the straight that has that equity, it's the entire "all hands" range, since at the time of that decision "all hands" is what your range is.
To get the equity of the straight, move your mouse over the "straight" condition and the popup will show you its equity.
Oh i just assumed that i said exactly a str8 it was only thinking about a str8. Ty for the help let me try again.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:28 AM   #1175
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Didn't save but i'll rerun the tree and if it messes up again i'll send you the file.
Don't bother sending.
I didn't read your second reply when I replied.
Please read my previous post.

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Quick question when tinkering with different ranges do i need to restart stox? Cause i have just been useing the x button to close part of the tree and restart at that point.
It's probably faster to double-click the conditions to edit them, or alternatively, to remove them by left-clicking and pressing Del.
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