So I'm gonna solve a CO vs BB SRP 100bb database. When I build the tree, it shows at the bottom that the memory needed to solve is 1.5GB. The part that confuses me is that usually the sizes of solved trees/flops is very small, even for big-ish trees - something in the order of 10-50MB max. So it doesn't make sense that even though I have 163 flops, even assuming 100 MB for every flop, that would still only be 16.3GB of RAM required, and I comfortably have more than that. Could you maybe check for me if the issue is just for me, or there's something I'm missing? Because at the moment, if things are the way they are, I will always have to export the 163 flops into separate files, solve, and then merge them together to form a database - which means I'll only be able to do one database at a time, and can't line up more than one in a row to solve.

Are you referring to the size of the savefile?
Compression is applied here, so it requires more RAM in memory.

There was enough free RAM. Rebooting fixed it though; guess there were some processes spiking?

Is it possible that while solving some other processes were taking up RAM?

Hey Scylla,

I set up a 163 flop database to run overnight using the folder option, and in the morning, it was done with almost a 100 of those. I wanted to run a sim for a hand I played, so I stopped the solver and when I tried to close the window, it asked me if I wanted save changes to the file "Untitled", and I chose no. Once I was done with my sim, I wanted to continue with the database solve, so I used the folder option again, but to my surprise, it hadn't saved since flop #14, and I lost most of the solved flops, and it has start again from flop #15.

To check and see if I could recreate this issue, I setup a test database of 23 flops, and tried the same thing where I stopped the solver multiple times and exited closed GTO+ without saving, but it saved progress at how many ever flops it had solved up to that point. This is really puzzling. And this time there was no RAM issue either, because when my original database solve was running, I looked at the task manager and it was only using 4GB of RAM, so there was at least another 20GB left over. I can't seem to figure out why GTO+ didn't save the database progress.

Just a suggestion for the tree builder, the profiles that we can save is very limited. I wish that the profile we can save is based from the edit tree area because there might be some bets we want to take out in some streets. I personally haven't found a good use of saving profiles.

Also you might want to include the starting pot, effective stack size in the saved profile. Just like how PIO does it. One specific example is if I want BTN vs CO 3bp and SB vs BTN 3BP, the sizings for 3bet I use IP and OOP is different. If I want the BTN vs CO 3bp tree, I don't have to change the starting pot and effective stack size. The only thing I want to change is ofcourse is the board and immediately I can click build tree without changing any other thing

Just want to second this. Being able to save trees instead of or in addition to the current profiles would be very useful.

Is there a reason why we can only lock specific hands while playing versus dabatase?
I know ranges differ between trees but is it actually difficult to implement?
Can't the solver only pick trees where the selected range (e.g overpair) appear?


Can we also get this feature?
Useful when I only want to practice a specific spot and dont want to continue playing the hand.

I'm also reminding everyone that I've created a Discord server to help each other, discuss strategies and share solutions.

Join here https://discord.gg/sMjK39yA8X

@scylla Is there a way to convert GTO+ solution to PIO format?

Sorry for posting multiple times in a row, just wanted to let you know what features we are missing against the competition:


- Clickable pop-up ranges next to each player
- slider for mixing actions and double-click for 100% frequency


- Summary displaying mixing errors (above 10% difference from gto) and incorrect decisions
- Ev loss graph
- range unbalances
- my play vs gto play

Why are these a must have?
I can choose the lower frequency option all the time but GTO+ won't tell me that I'm playing unbalanced.
These simple additions would greatly improve "Play against the solution" feature making our study time more efficient.

Ok, thank you for the feedback.
I will take it under consideration.

No, this is not something that we can offer.

If you want to re-use a tree, but for different ranges/board/rake/etc, then:
1) Load the tree
2) Make any changes as you see fit
3) Go to "Build tree->Rebuild" and click on "Rebuild with current settings"

Is it possible that you used "PROCESS DATABASE" instead of the folder feature, and did not save your changes?
If the folder feature had been used, the active file would not have been called "Untitled".

Don't mean to sound rude but I didn't ask for instructions to do this but thank you for your help. I was more of giving a suggestion that I think many users could benefit from.

I mentioned in my previous post, I wanted to save settings (pot size, effective stack size, etc.) so that when I load, I do not have to change anything besides the board only. This makes sense because most people will not have a database of every board possible. Although I understand that you don't need to have each board to know the underlying strategy or concept, but having this feature would just make checking quick spots so much easier especially when reviewing hand histories. Also this way, you just have to load the profile and just change the board, build tree then run.

Hi,
How do i get GTO+ to run the 1755 strategically different flops in database?

A profile is simply a storage of whatever settings are used under the "Advanced" tab. I believe that what you're asking for is a different type of profile, that's basically just a savefile of a tree? It seems to me that it really is easiest to just load the savefile for a tree that you're satisfied with, change the board and use the "Rebuild" tab to rebuild the tree with the new board.

For this, use "Add X random flops" until there's 1755 flops in the database.

It is possible that I used the process database option instead of the folder, even though I feel like I used the folder option. But I've gotta be wrong because I've tried to reproduce the issue and haven't been able to, so that's the only thing that makes sense. Thanks for the help!

Hey Scylla,

I had a question about CPU utilization and core temp.

I have an Intel Core i7 6820HQ processor with a 2.7GHz base speed, with 4 physical cores and 8 logical processors.

When I'm running GTO+, my CPU utilization instantly shoots to 100% and if I check Performance under Task Manager, my CPU is running at 3GHz. This is because Intel has a Turbo Boost feature that's enabled by default. The issue is that when running GTO+ like this, my core temp is ~99 degree Celsius. This seems very high to me. And it is near the maximum temperature limit.
I tried disabling Turbo Boost, and the difference now for GTO+ is that the max CPU utilization is about 98%, but the clock speed is capped at 2.7GHz. And more importantly, core temp has gone down to 82 degree Celsius. This is a big drop, and along with it, there's virtually no noise whereas before, it would be quite load when running the solver.

I looked it up on Intel's site, and this what I found from an FAQ:

Could my processor get damaged from overheating?

It's unlikely that a processor would get damaged from overheating, due to the operational safeguards in place. Processors have two modes of thermal protection, throttling and automatic shutdown. When a core exceeds the set throttle temperature, it will reduce power to maintain a safe temperature level. The throttle temperature can vary by processor and BIOS settings. If the processor is unable to maintain a safe operating temperature through throttling actions, it will automatically shut down to prevent permanent damage.

Is it bad if my processor frequently approaches or reaches its maximum temperature?

Not necessarily. Many Intel® processors make use of Intel® Turbo Boost Technology, which allows them to operate at very high frequency for a short amount of time. When the processor is operating at or near its maximum frequency it's possible for the temperature to climb very rapidly and quickly reach its maximum temperature. In sustained workloads, it's possible the processor will operate at or near its maximum temperature limit. Being at maximum temperature while running a workload isn't necessarily cause for concern. Intel processors constantly monitor their temperature and can very rapidly adjust their frequency and power consumption to prevent overheating and damage.

Based on these, it seems safe to just have Turbo Boost on and keep running GTO+ the way I was doing it initially. Even though temp is ~99 degrees, it makes that the safety mechanism built-in won't allow the processor to get burnt out or some other bad stuff happen. But I'm not sure. Do you have anything to add, Scylla? Any input would be appreciated.

Hey Scylla,
I wont to a Database into separate files but i fail to it. It says Operation performed but nothing is saved at all.
Could you notice what is wrong here ?
Thank you !

Also, since the last 2 days, I haven't been able to access the GTO+ site. It works when I use a VPN, but not otherwise. Same issue with the Flopzilla, CardRunnersEV and Holdeq sites. What's that about?

1)Hello need to add a new display method when i can see a real number of combos in a cell. For example, this cell must be painted over by about 50%.
2) How much space is required to store a full tree with rivers ?

Isn't that a bit of an Easter egg or something? Not sure the right word to use. I just thought it was capped at 1000. Good to know, thanks.

According to the specs, the maximum operating temperature is 100C:
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_...processor.html
A computer should be able to perform long term at 100%, although it's not possible for me to say whether your particular computer is correctly configured. If you have any doubts, then perhaps consider water cooling. My own computer has this, and does not seem to exceed 70C. If you want to monitor your CPU temperature, then a possible program for that would be CoreTemp (just google it).