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01-16-2010 , 09:36 PM
But you're dealing with a 3-way situation, right?
Or did I misunderstand that?
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01-16-2010 , 11:12 PM
Yes, YTG raises, a rat shoves UTG+1 and I want to account for people left to act.
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01-16-2010 , 11:13 PM
Could you mail me the savefile at stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com so I can have a look?
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01-17-2010 , 12:03 AM
Ok, got it.
You've got UTG and UTG+1 with a certain strong range and we're trying to figure out if the described effect is indeed due to card removal.
When I set the weight to 100% (meaning we're not doing our multiplication trick) and compute we'll see that BB only raises with 2.18% of his range.

Let's have a look at what this percentage would be if it weren't for card removal. To do this, I'll set the UTG's range and UTG+1's range to "all hands".
Now he's raising with 2.95% of his range.
This means a 27% reduction in the chance of BB getting JJ+,AK due to card removal.

In our earlier case we already saw the reduction from circa 19% to 13%, which you felt was a bit too high to account to card removal. However, this reduction does indeed translate to the 30% area.
The effect is due to card removal, so basing the weight on the calculation method should work.
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01-17-2010 , 01:41 AM
MDN, Scylla thanks the help!
I got it!
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01-17-2010 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
In our earlier case we already saw the reduction from circa 19% to 13%, which you felt was a bit too high to account to card removal. However, this reduction does indeed translate to the 30% area.
The effect is due to card removal, so basing the weight on the calculation method should work.
Yes, looks like it should. Thanks for your help!
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01-17-2010 , 12:12 PM
It would be sweet to just type in the % of hands when assigning a range (like in PokerStove) instead of always having to drag the slider. Is it possible?
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01-19-2010 , 09:12 AM
i have a very simple question: i want to figure out villains equity of his calling range, like i bet the flop and he calls the top pair+ and folds everything else. when i hover over the action "call" it will show his EQ there, but it will always (apparently, ive tried different things but it didnt work so far) show the same equity for him on the turn, which obv. cant be the same. so it says e.g. EQ for his call on the flop=50%, EQ on the turn=50%...

and it would be nice to change the name of utg etc. in case its really not possible
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01-19-2010 , 04:15 PM
hi scylla,

i bought your prog a few day's ago,but i have a little prob with windows like that:



i can't see and use the "delete" button in this example

i have the same prob with the "weight" window,don't know if there more of windows like that..

i'm using your prog with a 1900*1200 resolution on a 24 inch monitor..

but have the same prob with a lower resolution..
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01-19-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pronto
hi scylla,

i bought your prog a few day's ago,but i have a little prob with windows like that:



i can't see and use the "delete" button in this example

i have the same prob with the "weight" window,don't know if there more of windows like that..

i'm using your prog with a 1900*1200 resolution on a 24 inch monitor..

but have the same prob with a lower resolution..
This problem is because of your font size.
Start StoxEV and turn on "Extra->Use 120 dpi action menu".
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01-19-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MDN
It would be sweet to just type in the % of hands when assigning a range (like in PokerStove) instead of always having to drag the slider. Is it possible?
I'm afraid that's a bit hard.
In order for this to work I'd have to define that in a completely different part of the program.
It's rather hard to get everything to work properly.
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01-19-2010 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FatKing85
i have a very simple question: i want to figure out villains equity of his calling range, like i bet the flop and he calls the top pair+ and folds everything else. when i hover over the action "call" it will show his EQ there, but it will always (apparently, ive tried different things but it didnt work so far) show the same equity for him on the turn, which obv. cant be the same. so it says e.g. EQ for his call on the flop=50%, EQ on the turn=50%...

and it would be nice to change the name of utg etc. in case its really not possible
If the turn is a random card then the equity is still the same as on the flop.
If on the other hand the turn is already known then the equity on the flop is calculated under the assumption that the turn is known.
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01-20-2010 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I'm afraid that's a bit hard.
In order for this to work I'd have to define that in a completely different part of the program.
It's rather hard to get everything to work properly.
Just to clarify, I meant in that window where you select a range by highlighting cards, I'd love to have a box where I could type in 60 instead of dragging the slider to 60.
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01-20-2010 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MDN
Just to clarify, I meant in that window where you select a range by highlighting cards, I'd love to have a box where I could type in 60 instead of dragging the slider to 60.
I understand that.
But that box needs to be created in an entirely different part of the program.
It's a real pain.
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01-20-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
This problem is because of your font size.
Start StoxEV and turn on "Extra->Use 120 dpi action menu".
thx,now it works..


but i'm missing the "stop" button from your video manual,tried to simulate a continuation bet into multiple players like the way you did it in your exampel,but with the "delete" button it didn't worked and can't find a "stop" button anywhere
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01-20-2010 , 08:38 PM
The stop button has been removed.
It's been replaced with the much more flexible "checkdown".
To, for instance, let the small blind "stop", select checkdown, sb and 0%.
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01-21-2010 , 10:35 PM
Having a problem with FLOPZILLA and the antivirus AVG resident shield and someone suggested i post it here

Had flopzilla on my computer for about a year and havent used it much, not for about the last eight months

The strange thing is that now when i boot up the computer, I get a resident shield warning of multiple infections from avg. THis never happened before, and i have done numerous scans each fortnight or so with no issues

SO im not sure about two things

FIrstly, why i get the warning of multiple threat detection, and secondly why it has only shown up now, and not before

All help appreciated!
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01-21-2010 , 10:37 PM
It sounds like you have an old version installed.
Just uninstall and go to www.stoxev.com/flopzilla/flopzilla.htm for the most recent one.
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01-23-2010 , 10:31 PM
Hi.

I just downloaded the trial version and I am interested in understanding it more. I set up a strategy where the BTN is raising ~45% and I call in the SB with ~20%, but not QQ+, AQ+. On the flop I have him cbetting 79%, so I check raise him 3x his raise. He bets 2.50 into 3.25, I raise 7.50. I have him calling 20% of his hands, folding the rest, and I have turn and river checked down.

My question:

I see several $EV calculations. The SB check = ~$5, the BTN bet =~$-2, the SB raise=~$5.5, the BTN fold or call = $0. So how do I evaluate this? What is the overall EV for both parties involved in the strategy? For the SB to take this line is it worth $5, $5.5, or none of the above? What about for the BTN?

Obviously, besides cutting out rake whoever is positive the other should be the inverse. 1) Where would I find the final result of the strategy for each player and
2) how do I interpret the 4 numbers: $5, $-2, $5.5, $0?

Thanks!
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01-24-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lickyfeet
Hi.

I just downloaded the trial version and I am interested in understanding it more. I set up a strategy where the BTN is raising ~45% and I call in the SB with ~20%, but not QQ+, AQ+. On the flop I have him cbetting 79%, so I check raise him 3x his raise. He bets 2.50 into 3.25, I raise 7.50. I have him calling 20% of his hands, folding the rest, and I have turn and river checked down.

My question:

I see several $EV calculations. The SB check = ~$5, the BTN bet =~$-2, the SB raise=~$5.5, the BTN fold or call = $0. So how do I evaluate this? What is the overall EV for both parties involved in the strategy? For the SB to take this line is it worth $5, $5.5, or none of the above? What about for the BTN?

Obviously, besides cutting out rake whoever is positive the other should be the inverse. 1) Where would I find the final result of the strategy for each player and
2) how do I interpret the 4 numbers: $5, $-2, $5.5, $0?

Thanks!
The question you need to answer here is at which point in time do you wish to evaluate a player's strategy?

Given the fact that you're talking about button vs sb, with the bb still to act means that this strategy EV can not be evaluated prior to posting the blinds.

I asume that what you wish to evaluate here is either the EV of the sb's strategy when reacting to the button (ignoring the bb) or the EV of the button against the small blind after he's called the raise.

This EV is the one shown below the decision button that corresponds with that point in time. The EV of the other player is however not the inverse of this.

The EV of both players will always add up to the size of the pot at that point in time, since that's what they're fighting over.
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01-26-2010 , 02:42 AM
Hey Scylla,

Any idea why my flopzilla isn't updating? I downloaded the latest file and ran it but I'm still on the same old version and when I open flopzilla it tells me there is a newer version available.

Thanks.
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01-26-2010 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WillyT
Hey Scylla,

Any idea why my flopzilla isn't updating? I downloaded the latest file and ran it but I'm still on the same old version and when I open flopzilla it tells me there is a newer version available.

Thanks.
It sounds like you have an old version.
Please:
- Uninstall
- Go to www.stoxev.com/flopzilla/flopzilla.htm
- Download and install the version that is currently online.
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01-26-2010 , 06:41 PM
Thanks. I'll try that. I downloaded the new installation file and ran it but I didn't uninstall the old one first.

I'll try that now.
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01-26-2010 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WillyT
Thanks. I'll try that. I downloaded the new installation file and ran it but I didn't uninstall the old one first.

I'll try that now.
Yes, without uninstalling first sometimes things don't work as they should.
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01-26-2010 , 06:53 PM
Uh oh!

That didn't work either. It's still listed as me having version 1.15 when I go to 'help' and on top of that I lost all of my stored data.

Hopefully I can figure out how to restore all of the preset ranges I had before.

The one feature that looked different on the webpage that I was hoping to use is that it looked like you could toggle weights for specific hands and maybe even for specific suits. For example, that you could say AA is the range 100% of the time you have it and ATo is in the range only 50% of the time you're dealt it.

Ok, I'm off to see what I can restore and see if I can't get up to the most recent version as I'm not seeing how to use the features mentioned above as of yet.
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