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07-09-2019 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
Hey Scylla. I am wondering why gto+ window becomes unresponsive so often while just browsing a solution. I have this problem on 2 diffferent computers, computers which both have plenty of disk,ram,and cpu available. When this happens there is always some disk usage happening from gto+ almost like when saving a file. it is a little bit frustrating to have to wait for 30s to a minute every 2min when viewing a solution :/
This doesn't sound familiar to me. GTO+ does not save data to disc while browsing. At least none that I can think of. Is it possible that your virus scanner is interfering with the software? Can you perhaps send a savefile to support where you experience this issue?
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07-09-2019 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
This doesn't sound familiar to me. GTO+ does not save data to disc while browsing. At least none that I can think of. Is it possible that your virus scanner is interfering with the software? Can you perhaps send a savefile to support where you experience this issue?
Ok so when you said it doesn't save to disk while scanning I remembered that for a while my c drive was constantly full with extra saves gto+ made into my users/appdata/local/files section. So now after messing with this for a while I noticed every time I click around in a solution a few times gto+ overwrites the copy that was made on the c drive ''the copy it makes without me saving the file itself'' Also looking at the disk usage graph the amount adds up. this means if i were to browse a larger solution say 10 or 20gb I would have to wait 2-5 minutes every time I click around a bit

My save files are in a different drive than gto+ is installed in. Will this weird autosaving stop if I move the files I want to view onto the same drive gto+ is in. this would be slightly tedious tho so also is there a way to prevent gto+ from making this save constantly onto the c drive if you are browsing the file from your d drive or removable media`?

Thanks
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07-09-2019 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
Ok so when you said it doesn't save to disk while scanning I remembered that for a while my c drive was constantly full with extra saves gto+ made into my users/appdata/local/files section. So now after messing with this for a while I noticed every time I click around in a solution a few times gto+ overwrites the copy that was made on the c drive ''the copy it makes without me saving the file itself'' Also looking at the disk usage graph the amount adds up. this means if i were to browse a larger solution say 10 or 20gb I would have to wait 2-5 minutes every time I click around a bit

My save files are in a different drive than gto+ is installed in. Will this weird autosaving stop if I move the files I want to view onto the same drive gto+ is in. this would be slightly tedious tho so also is there a way to prevent gto+ from making this save constantly onto the c drive if you are browsing the file from your d drive or removable media`?

Thanks
GTO+ does not perform any auto-saves while browsing. I believe that your issue is probably a setting in Windows itself. I can't really given you any further instructions here, given that this is the first I've ever heard of this issue. GTO+ itself does not perform any saves to the users/appdata/ directory. Is there any chance that this is some custom setting that you're using in Windows? At the very least I don't seem to have users/appdata/local/files on my own system.


Edit:
Some googling has told me that some virus scanners can store temporary files to /AppData.
So if at all possible, please set an exception.

Last edited by scylla; 07-09-2019 at 10:51 AM.
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07-09-2019 , 11:27 AM
thank!

Now I do not understand how I can remove the "donk bets" and build a tree for several flops in the tab "advanced \ process database"
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07-09-2019 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
GTO+ does not perform any auto-saves while browsing. I believe that your issue is probably a setting in Windows itself. I can't really given you any further instructions here, given that this is the first I've ever heard of this issue. GTO+ itself does not perform any saves to the users/appdata/ directory. Is there any chance that this is some custom setting that you're using in Windows? At the very least I don't seem to have users/appdata/local/files on my own system.


Edit:
Some googling has told me that some virus scanners can store temporary files to /AppData.
So if at all possible, please set an exception.
i tried both exclusions and disabling all security software. Doesn't make a difference. I have a friend I asked to try this as well. He hasn't had the issue I am having because his files are small enough to not take 20s to save. So basically on 3/3 computers running different windows operating systems, protection etc, opening a gto+ file and waiting 5min will generate a save in the appdata/local folder. then from then on every 5 min this file will be overwritten by a new save. Closing the application without saving will then delete the file. However closing while choosing to save the file will not delete the copy in appdata.

Secondly whatever additional culprit there may be t is clear gto+ has something to do with this issue since no other programs I run including other poker solvers, compilers and technical software do this. Only other program that does this is microsoft office when the autosave option is set

Last edited by BitchIAmAMartian; 07-09-2019 at 12:24 PM.
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07-09-2019 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vopros
thank!
Now I do not understand how I can remove the "donk bets"
Do you mean after building a tree, how to remove donk bets?

For this:
1) Go to the editor
2) Click on "IMPORT TREE"
3) Click on the first decision and remove the donk action
4) Click on "ACCEPT CHANGES"



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Originally Posted by vopros
and build a tree for several flops in the tab "advanced \ process database"
Click on "Run solver".
Go to the "Advanced" tab.
Click on "Activate database mode".
Enter the desired size of subset (available subsets are 15,19,23,33,37,44,55,66,80,89,111,129,141,163).
Click on "Import flops from file".

This will build a database for whichever tree is currently active.


Last edited by scylla; 07-09-2019 at 02:04 PM.
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07-09-2019 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
i tried both exclusions and disabling all security software. Doesn't make a difference. I have a friend I asked to try this as well. He hasn't had the issue I am having because his files are small enough to not take 20s to save. So basically on 3/3 computers running different windows operating systems, protection etc, opening a gto+ file and waiting 5min will generate a save in the appdata/local folder. then from then on every 5 min this file will be overwritten by a new save. Closing the application without saving will then delete the file. However closing while choosing to save the file will not delete the copy in appdata.

Secondly whatever additional culprit there may be t is clear gto+ has something to do with this issue since no other programs I run including other poker solvers, compilers and technical software do this. Only other program that does this is microsoft office when the autosave option is set
Ok, thank you for letting me know. I will need some time to look into this and check if perhaps there's some way of letting Windows know that we're not intending to auto-save. The auto-save is definitely not called from within GTO+ itself; for some reason Windows is choosing to do this on its own.
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07-09-2019 , 04:32 PM
Thank you, this is what I need.

When I created a lot of trees for the calculation, I click "process all files in a given folder" the calculation begins. But I can’t choose “medium storage” anywhere, the default is “basic storage”. Is it possible to choose a medium?
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07-09-2019 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vopros
Thank you, this is what I need.

When I created a lot of trees for the calculation, I click "process all files in a given folder" the calculation begins. But I can’t choose “medium storage” anywhere, the default is “basic storage”. Is it possible to choose a medium?
The storage type can only be set in the savefiles themselves.
I can consider changing this for later releases, but right at this moment only "basic storage" can be chosen as an override mode in the "Process files" menu.

Last edited by scylla; 07-09-2019 at 05:10 PM.
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07-09-2019 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The storage type can only be set in the savefiles themselves.
I can consider changing this for later releases, but right at this moment only "basic storage" can be chosen as an override mode in the "Process files" menu.

Wonderful for weak PC users.
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07-10-2019 , 05:32 AM
Thanks Scylla
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07-10-2019 , 06:08 AM
Also one small thing. it would be nice to be able to filter for multiple criteria in the range visualizer, like weak pair +gutshot, flushdraw+gutshot, A high + backdoor flush draw etc.
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07-10-2019 , 10:01 AM
Couple enhancement requests:
-Add the ability to visualize the difference in EV between betting/checking for each hand in the range viewer.
-Add the ability to "pop-out" and resize each of the components into a separate window.
-Enable the "Delete" key. For some reason I can only use backspace to delete text.
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07-10-2019 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
Also one small thing. it would be nice to be able to filter for multiple criteria in the range visualizer, like weak pair +gutshot, flushdraw+gutshot, A high + backdoor flush draw etc.
Especially when we want to view all types of flush draws at once.
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07-10-2019 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
i tried both exclusions and disabling all security software. Doesn't make a difference. I have a friend I asked to try this as well. He hasn't had the issue I am having because his files are small enough to not take 20s to save. So basically on 3/3 computers running different windows operating systems, protection etc, opening a gto+ file and waiting 5min will generate a save in the appdata/local folder. then from then on every 5 min this file will be overwritten by a new save. Closing the application without saving will then delete the file. However closing while choosing to save the file will not delete the copy in appdata.

Secondly whatever additional culprit there may be t is clear gto+ has something to do with this issue since no other programs I run including other poker solvers, compilers and technical software do this. Only other program that does this is microsoft office when the autosave option is set
Ok, I think that I figured out what's causing the auto-saves. I'll just test for the rest of the day if they occur again. If not, then I'll provide you with an internal update tomorrow.

Last edited by scylla; 07-10-2019 at 12:35 PM.
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07-10-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
Couple enhancement requests:
-Add the ability to visualize the difference in EV between betting/checking for each hand in the range viewer.
-Add the ability to "pop-out" and resize each of the components into a separate window.
-Enable the "Delete" key. For some reason I can only use backspace to delete text.
Ok, thank you for the feedback.
I will see what I can do for later releases.
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07-10-2019 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
Also one small thing. it would be nice to be able to filter for multiple criteria in the range visualizer, like weak pair +gutshot, flushdraw+gutshot, A high + backdoor flush draw etc.
This is already possible.
To view the overlap between statistics, mouse over one of them.
This will show you how other stats overlap with this statistic.
Right-click to fix the overlap.
The statistic will now remain selected when mousing over other stats.
By doing this it's now possible to view/edit details on the overlap.

So, for example, in the screenshot below "flushdraw" is being moused over. Apparently there's 3 combos that are also "weak pair".To view the overlap, right-click "flushdraw" to fix it. Mousing over "weak pair" will now allow you to see/edit the hands that are "flushdraw+weak pair".


Last edited by scylla; 07-10-2019 at 12:39 PM.
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07-10-2019 , 02:55 PM
I'm confused again.
Line for OOP aggressor (SB 3bet vs BTN).

SB Cbet BTN raise SB call, I want SB not to have donk turn.

flop SB cbet BTN call
turn SB check BTN bet SB call
river I want SB not to have donk

With these settings, these donks are present in the tree

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1n7...b_-QUaZkKuuaXV
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1g5...D6ouV9pNX-3OOv
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07-10-2019 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vopros
I'm confused again.
Line for OOP aggressor (SB 3bet vs BTN).

SB Cbet BTN raise SB call, I want SB not to have donk turn.

flop SB cbet BTN call
turn SB check BTN bet SB call
river I want SB not to have donk

With these settings, these donks are present in the tree

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1n7...b_-QUaZkKuuaXV
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1g5...D6ouV9pNX-3OOv
The reason for this is that OOP did show aggression earlier in the hand (on the flop). I think the best approach here is to add an easter egg feature for the next release so that other than using input like "50p,60d,70c" for different sizes for probe, donk and cbet it will also be possible to enter for example "0d" in order to indicate that a certain type of bet should be left out entirely. The next update should be available next week, so if you check back by then I would reasonably expect that you'll find the feature there.

Last edited by scylla; 07-10-2019 at 05:24 PM.
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07-11-2019 , 11:37 AM
Is there a way to store all my solutions like in simple pos flop?

https://ibb.co/kJscZ3r

Sorry to put just the , my img attach seems not me be working for we reason.
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07-11-2019 , 12:43 PM
Hey,

Quick question, what do you think I should set as the target dEV, if my goal is just to see what lines are used the less?

Basically, my computer is slow, but I still want to be able to run complex trees. So I was thinking of running the sim to like 5% dEV (which doesn't take long), then go into the tree editor and remove all the branches that are barely used, and then run the sim to completion (which is going to be faster with fewer branches).
But how low does the dEV need to be before I can be confident that the frequencies won't change drastically?

Thanks
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07-11-2019 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 11lore11
Is there a way to store all my solutions like in simple pos flop?

https://ibb.co/kJscZ3r

Sorry to put just the , my img attach seems not me be working for we reason.
We offer the ability to create databases, just not in that particular way. We can consider adding more features in later releases, but right at this moment the database approach is what we can offer.
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07-11-2019 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey,

Quick question, what do you think I should set as the target dEV, if my goal is just to see what lines are used the less?

Basically, my computer is slow, but I still want to be able to run complex trees. So I was thinking of running the sim to like 5% dEV (which doesn't take long), then go into the tree editor and remove all the branches that are barely used, and then run the sim to completion (which is going to be faster with fewer branches).
But how low does the dEV need to be before I can be confident that the frequencies won't change drastically?

Thanks
When you say "complex trees", do you mean trees with multiple bet sizes?
Or maybe something else?
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07-11-2019 , 01:37 PM
Hey Scylla. Thanks for the support for GTO+. It's awesome.

I wanted to ask, when building a tree, why does the solver chose the bet size that it does? Is that random or what's the logic behind it?

Cheers
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07-11-2019 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
When you say "complex trees", do you mean trees with multiple bet sizes?
Or maybe something else?
Yes that's what I mean, trees with multiple bet sizes, that have lots of branches.
I would like to be able to know quickly if a bet size is going to be used less than 3% of the time for example, so that I can simply remove it from the tree before running the sim to a low dEV.
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