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Old 01-21-2019, 02:40 PM   #7626
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Most likely the trees will be different. If you compare the trees line by line, then I would expect that not every line is exactly the same. Another common reason would be having IP and OOP switched or using different rake settings.
OK, I know PIO doesn't have a default bet option, do you think it could be that GTO+ is inserting the default bet into every blank box, where PIO wouldn't do that?
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Old 01-21-2019, 02:48 PM   #7627
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Ive scripted 49 flops and the solver solved them overnight. I saved the database, and I see how to get all the aggregate reports and graphs and such. My question is can I pull up the individual flops and view the trees for them individually for further analysis? can't seem to figure it out.
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Old 01-21-2019, 02:59 PM   #7628
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Ive scripted 49 flops and the solver solved them overnight. I saved the database, and I see how to get all the aggregate reports and graphs and such. My question is can I pull up the individual flops and view the trees for them individually for further analysis? can't seem to figure it out.
Yeah, on the solver screen, where you see all the flops with the checkmark next to them, just double click the one you want to review.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:01 AM   #7629
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oh wow how did i not figure this out lol. thanks dude!
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:50 AM   #7630
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OK, I know PIO doesn't have a default bet option, do you think it could be that GTO+ is inserting the default bet into every blank box, where PIO wouldn't do that?
GTO+ will indeed use the default bet if no specific instructions are provided. If you want to compare the trees between the two programs, then the easiest way to do so would be to use our "Basic" tab versus pio's "version 1.0" tab. These methods will lead to identical trees.

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Old 01-25-2019, 10:28 AM   #7631
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@scylla, i know i 've asked it few times, but please, improve the $EV tab on GTO+. Still using CREV because this... Would be nice if the software displayed the risk premium in the spots too.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:43 AM   #7632
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Original question: Hey Scylla, Quick question for GTO+. When on the 'run solver' window and we are deciding the accuracy of the solver what is the percentage a percent of and what does the percentage mean? For example if we input 0.5% into the solver and get it to run till completion then is our strategy accurate (whatever that means) to 0.5% of the pot or the effective stacks or 0.5% of one big blind? Thanks for your hel

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It's to 0.5% of the pot.


It means that if either player were to play max exploit as opposed to their current GTO strategy, their overall strategy would only improve by at most 0.5% of the pot. So, for example, if the pot is 30, then even if they exploited every single mistake by their opponent, then their overall EV would only increase by 15 cents.
Thanks for answering that a while ago. To continue on with this I'm now curious in the example above if villain decided to exploit our every mistake and have their overall EV go up by 15 cents (0.5% of a $30 pot) does this mean that they will on average make 15 cents against us with every hand or is this their EV per 100h? So if villain uses the max exploit against our mistakes are they making 15 cents per hundred or 15 dollars per hundred? Seems like a significant difference.

Thanks again for all your help
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Old 01-26-2019, 06:58 AM   #7633
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@scylla, i know i 've asked it few times, but please, improve the $EV tab on GTO+. Still using CREV because this... Would be nice if the software displayed the risk premium in the spots too.
Ok, I will see what I can do.
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Old 01-26-2019, 07:02 AM   #7634
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Original question: Hey Scylla, Quick question for GTO+. When on the 'run solver' window and we are deciding the accuracy of the solver what is the percentage a percent of and what does the percentage mean? For example if we input 0.5% into the solver and get it to run till completion then is our strategy accurate (whatever that means) to 0.5% of the pot or the effective stacks or 0.5% of one big blind? Thanks for your hel

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Thanks for answering that a while ago. To continue on with this I'm now curious in the example above if villain decided to exploit our every mistake and have their overall EV go up by 15 cents (0.5% of a $30 pot) does this mean that they will on average make 15 cents against us with every hand or is this their EV per 100h? So if villain uses the max exploit against our mistakes are they making 15 cents per hundred or 15 dollars per hundred? Seems like a significant difference.

Thanks again for all your help
It's per hand. Please do note though that actually playing a max exploit strategy would make villain extremely vulnerable to being counter-exploited.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:35 PM   #7635
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Hello Scylla.i purchased Gto+ (with Cardrunners Ev license together)few days ago and i want to ask the following because i am totally new to solvers.I am playing MTTs exclusively,so is Gto+ usefull for me to analyse and run solves for spots far away from money?(so no ICM considerations)If yes,how i can set it up?
i see that at Cash game mode is easy to be set up as you can add only few parameters,but in Sit and go Mode(which is for Mtts and sngs right?)i find my self not to understand if its only for ICM situations and especially final table.
PS:Excuse me if this question had answered before but as this tread has so many pages,i couldnt read all to find a help
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:55 PM   #7636
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Hello Scylla.i purchased Gto+ (with Cardrunners Ev license together)few days ago and i want to ask the following because i am totally new to solvers.I am playing MTTs exclusively,so is Gto+ usefull for me to analyse and run solves for spots far away from money?(so no ICM considerations)If yes,how i can set it up?
i see that at Cash game mode is easy to be set up as you can add only few parameters,but in Sit and go Mode(which is for Mtts and sngs right?)i find my self not to understand if its only for ICM situations and especially final table.
PS:Excuse me if this question had answered before but as this tread has so many pages,i couldnt read all to find a help
If you're far away from the money then you can just use cash game mode.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:12 PM   #7637
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Hi Scylla, I'm having trouble understanding the EV calcs of the solver.



I ran the solver (at 0.5% dEV every time), and the EV was 8.3/20 for BB, looking at the first node before any action has been taken.
I then locked the BB's strat on EVERY street. Then the EV was still 8.3bb/20 after I ran the sim again.


So I wanted to see how GTO - without adjusting - would fare against a bad opponent.

I changed the flop 2bet range of the BTN so that any non-set hand (that was originally 2bet in a GTO strat), was called or folded instead. If a hand was mixed between calling/folding, i would call it 100%. If a hand was raise or folding, I would fold it 100%.

so i locked that strat for BTN in that first action facing a flop bet, and let him play GTO with the rest of the tree. Here it shows that BB's EV is now 8.32bb/20, a net gain of +0.02bb. But scanning through the tree, I don't see how this gain is made. Here is my maths and the bit i would like checked please:

The BTN folds 1% more. When BTN folds, BB EV is 20. So net gain in this tree is 20 * 1% = 0.02bb.

We can then immediately see that When BTN raises 2.63% of the time, BB loses EV. Also when BTN calls, BB also loses EV. So where does BB's gain in EV come from (when looking at the first node)?



EV of GTO both sides

EV of BTN adjusted flop 2bet range, GTO rest of tree.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:50 PM   #7638
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Hi Scylla, I'm having trouble understanding the EV calcs of the solver.



I ran the solver (at 0.5% dEV every time), and the EV was 8.3/20 for BB, looking at the first node before any action has been taken.
I then locked the BB's strat on EVERY street. Then the EV was still 8.3bb/20 after I ran the sim again.


So I wanted to see how GTO - without adjusting - would fare against a bad opponent.

I changed the flop 2bet range of the BTN so that any non-set hand (that was originally 2bet in a GTO strat), was called or folded instead. If a hand was mixed between calling/folding, i would call it 100%. If a hand was raise or folding, I would fold it 100%.

so i locked that strat for BTN in that first action facing a flop bet, and let him play GTO with the rest of the tree. Here it shows that BB's EV is now 8.32bb/20, a net gain of +0.02bb. But scanning through the tree, I don't see how this gain is made. Here is my maths and the bit i would like checked please:

The BTN folds 1% more. When BTN folds, BB EV is 20. So net gain in this tree is 20 * 1% = 0.02bb.

We can then immediately see that When BTN raises 2.63% of the time, BB loses EV. Also when BTN calls, BB also loses EV. So where does BB's gain in EV come from (when looking at the first node)?



EV of GTO both sides

EV of BTN adjusted flop 2bet range, GTO rest of tree.
Hi,

I can't really tell enough from the screenshots.
Can you send a savefile to support please?

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Old 01-31-2019, 10:07 AM   #7639
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Really simple question but how do I upgrade to v116?
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:14 PM   #7640
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Really simple question but how do I upgrade to v116?
V116 can be downloaded here: www.gtoplus.com/download
Should you not see the update, then try refreshing your browser with F5.
Please let me know if there are any issues.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:33 AM   #7641
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Hi!

On GTO+ I want to check raise 120% pot, initial pot is 1900, it comes out to 4260. Am I doing something wrong? I left sizes in the check raise field to 75,90,120.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:00 PM   #7642
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On GTO+ I want to check raise 120% pot, initial pot is 1900, it comes out to 4260. Am I doing something wrong? I left sizes in the check raise field to 75,90,120.
Do you mean that you want to raise three different sizes, but instead the tree builder only sets one size? Most likely you will have the option "With only two bets left get the money in smoothly" ON. This is used to let the tree builder take over once the players are close to all-in. It's effect is to neatly tie up trees at the end, whereas this can be hard to do manually. As an additional effect, it will make your trees smaller and solve faster. I expect that you'll get the play that you're looking for if you turn it OFF.

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Old 02-01-2019, 01:19 PM   #7643
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Do you mean that you want to raise three different sizes, but instead the tree builder only sets one size? Most likely you will have the option "With only two bets left get the money in smoothly" ON. This is used to let the tree builder take over once the players are close to all-in. It's effect is to neatly tie up trees at the end, whereas this can be hard to do manually. As an additional effect, it will make your trees smaller and solve faster. I expect that you'll get the play that you're looking for if you turn it OFF.

So I want to see what sizing the oop is suggested to use. *Edit: if the pot is 1900 and I want to check raise 120% pot how is that equal to 4260

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Old 02-01-2019, 05:13 PM   #7644
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So I want to see what sizing the oop is suggested to use. *Edit: if the pot is 1900 and I want to check raise 120% pot how is that equal to 4260
If you want me to take a closer look, then please send a savefile to support.
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Old 02-02-2019, 10:37 AM   #7645
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in GTO+ can i save the whole strategy in text format?
For example, in SimplePostflop, you can click on a node and save it as text.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:05 AM   #7646
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in GTO+ can i save the whole strategy in text format?
For example, in SimplePostflop, you can click on a node and save it as text.
You can click on the output icon for the entire text content of the active table.

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Old 02-03-2019, 07:51 AM   #7647
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Hello, I have some flops stored in a file in this format:

TsTdTc
AsAdAc
2s2d6c
2s2dTc

How can I import all my flops from a .txt file to GTO+?
In the "Import from file" field I have written the path from my flop text file.
But the text in the box starts getting red and nothing gets imported.
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:05 AM   #7648
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Hi Scylla. I know there have been a few requests about weighted flop implementation going back at least 6 months. Do you think it is not a very useful feature, or is it tricky to implement?
I'd love your input because this is the only real feature (so i can model a fairly accurate range of flops) that makes me go back to piosolver at times instead of GTO+. Am i overvaluing the importance of having the flops weighted instead of just using the linked piosolver "complete game" flop selection?
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:16 PM   #7649
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Hello, I have some flops stored in a file in this format:

TsTdTc
AsAdAc
2s2d6c
2s2dTc

How can I import all my flops from a .txt file to GTO+?
In the "Import from file" field I have written the path from my flop text file.
But the text in the box starts getting red and nothing gets imported.
It was not working because in the file name there was a space its also not working if in the path name is a space:

Working examples:
c:\gtoplus\184flops.txt

Not working examples:
c:\gto plus\184flops.txt
c:\gtoplus\184 flop.txt
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:01 PM   #7650
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Hey scylla,

How does the "EV" number work exactly?
Eg. eff. stack is 100, and Player1 EV is 5. How much bb/100 it is?
Eg. eff stack is 50, and Player1 EV is 5. How much bb/100 it is?
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