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07-15-2018 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Blunderer
In CREV why is the EQ show in the tree different from the EQ shown in the equity distribution graph pop ups?
Can you perhaps send a savefile to support with a brief description, and possibly a screenshot? It's hard to answer this question without knowing the exact setup.
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07-17-2018 , 04:26 AM
I purchased secondary GTO+ serial few days ago.

Can I get additional Crev serial by this purchase?
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07-17-2018 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SupYasuo
I purchased secondary GTO+ serial few days ago.

Can I get additional Crev serial by this purchase?
Yes, purchasing a second license for GTO+ will include a second license for CREV.

Last edited by scylla; 07-17-2018 at 04:47 AM.
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07-17-2018 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Yes, purchasing a second license for GTO+ will include a second license for CREV.
Cool!!
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07-19-2018 , 06:09 AM
Good morning,
i'm struggling with CREV and the selection of postflop ranges based on the type of draw. I need to have backdoor flushes selected with overcard in the general calculation of the EV, without a certain flop.
You can help me to do that
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07-19-2018 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Se7enUp
Good morning,
i'm struggling with CREV and the selection of postflop ranges based on the type of draw. I need to have backdoor flushes selected with overcard in the general calculation of the EV, without a certain flop.
You can help me to do that
Hi,

Can you mail support please?
I will send you a savefile with an example.

Scylla
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07-21-2018 , 04:46 PM
im using pio only but want maybe switch to gto+.a friend of mine is using it, he told that the files are very small and the solve is very fast.
i have for example a pio solve 100bb 5bb pot, wide ranges, 4 flop sizes, 5turn and river sizes and 3 raise sizes. in pio i need 48gb ram for this tree and the file would be also like 50gb and the solve would need 3-5h running time on my machine.
how would pio+ approach this exact example of a tree in running time and ram needed and storageplace?
Cheers
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07-21-2018 , 05:15 PM
The range editor is really counter intuitive - im trying to build all my preflop ranges from every position but keep losing information or overwriting category's. Any way to simplify this? A simple "save" button would be great.
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07-21-2018 , 10:33 PM
Can I compare multi flops in a specific line?

For example, in Bet-Bet-Bet line, I want to compare 50 flops' B-B-B frequency.

Of course I can do it manually, but I want to perform in more handy way.
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07-22-2018 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SupYasuo
Can I compare multi flops in a specific line?

For example, in Bet-Bet-Bet line, I want to compare 50 flops' B-B-B frequency.

Of course I can do it manually, but I want to perform in more handy way.
It's entirely possible for us to add such a feature, however, a problem here is that beyond the first decision it's not really useful to compare frequencies; each line is measured under different circumstances. On one flop villain may be raising with 100% of this range, while on another he may be raising only the 1% nut part of his range. So OOP is reacting to entirely different strategies by IP across the different flops.

Last edited by scylla; 07-22-2018 at 05:04 AM.
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07-22-2018 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tittenmaus69
im using pio only but want maybe switch to gto+.a friend of mine is using it, he told that the files are very small and the solve is very fast.
i have for example a pio solve 100bb 5bb pot, wide ranges, 4 flop sizes, 5turn and river sizes and 3 raise sizes. in pio i need 48gb ram for this tree and the file would be also like 50gb and the solve would need 3-5h running time on my machine.
how would pio+ approach this exact example of a tree in running time and ram needed and storageplace?
Cheers
The solving time is typically comparable to pio, so it can either be a bit faster or slower; that's really hard to predict. The required memory will be lower, due to compression. The required storage will be 1000x smaller if you use basic storage, so about 50MB. With medium storage it will probably be about 1GB; I would recommend this, given that in a tree this size recomputing turns might take a non-negligible amount of time (in regular trees it will take at most a few seconds, but if the tree is 50GB then it will be a multiple of that). That being said, extremely complex turn+river play rarely has any significant effect on the flop play, so you may want to consider simplifying the play a bit for the followup play; most likely the flop results will be comparable, even when going as far as using basic single lines.

Last edited by scylla; 07-22-2018 at 05:17 AM.
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07-22-2018 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GutPunch
The range editor is really counter intuitive - im trying to build all my preflop ranges from every position but keep losing information or overwriting category's. Any way to simplify this? A simple "save" button would be great.
It already works like this.
You need to:
1) Enter your range
2) Click on "Add range"
3) Drag and drop the new range to the intended location




If you want to add your range to a specific category then:
1) Enter your range
2) Select the category
3) Click on "Add range"
And again drag and drop the range if you want to adjust its location


Last edited by scylla; 07-22-2018 at 05:11 AM.
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07-22-2018 , 11:40 AM


Hopefully you can see in the picture above that there are two different equities shown.

situation is on the flop, with future cards shown.

Presumably the equity numbers relate to different things, but not sure what
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07-22-2018 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It's entirely possible for us to add such a feature, however, a problem here is that beyond the first decision it's not really useful to compare frequencies; each line is measured under different circumstances. On one flop villain may be raising with 100% of this range, while on another he may be raising only the 1% nut part of his range. So OOP is reacting to entirely different strategies by IP across the different flops.
I think, we can compare optimal freq with villain's hud stat. If flop subsets represent all flop textures efficiently, comparing optimal freq with villan's stats enables us to know how our villain is deviating from optimal line. Then we can exploit them very precisely. Anyway, if it's not available, I should do that work manually. That's ok
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07-22-2018 , 02:48 PM
Hey scylla does GTO+ do nodelocking for future streets? I know in CREV it is possible to a basic extent.
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07-22-2018 , 06:19 PM
Where can i buy CREV? Does anyone have a link? What is minimum PC requirement for this program?
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07-22-2018 , 06:30 PM
Anyone willing to do coaching for CREV?
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07-23-2018 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Blunderer


Hopefully you can see in the picture above that there are two different equities shown.

situation is on the flop, with future cards shown.

Presumably the equity numbers relate to different things, but not sure what
In the picture it says that future board cards are known. So for example you're on the flop, but you've already told the software that the turn will be 2h. CREV is a calculator, and will simply performs its calculations with this knowledge. The popup system however is a live update system that gives you the equity on the board itself. So the reason for the difference is that the CREV calculations are for the entire board, while the popup calculations are for the current board.
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07-23-2018 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Egil
Anyone willing to do coaching for CREV?
Please consider using GTO+, which is to a large extent CREV2. Videos for GTO+ can be found here: www.gtoplus.com/videos. We've done what we could to make GTO+ as easy to use as possible, so with any luck you won't need live instructions.
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07-23-2018 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Eudaimonia
Hey scylla does GTO+ do nodelocking for future streets? I know in CREV it is possible to a basic extent.
Yes, you can lock strategies for following streets.
For that, just go to the relevant line in that street and make whichever edits you like.
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07-23-2018 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Egil
Where can i buy CREV? Does anyone have a link? What is minimum PC requirement for this program?
If possible you may want to consider using GTO+, which is essentially CREV2.
We've done everything that we can to make it as easy to work with as possible.

The required specifications can be found here: http://www.gtoplus.com/download/
CREV's requirements are similar, although it requires more memory.

It's always hard to predict how well any piece of software will perform on any system though, so here is a link to a testfile: www.crevfiles.com/crev/savefiles/testfile.zip

To run the file
1) Open it with GTO+
2) Go to "Run solver"
3) Click on "Run solver"

On my current computer it takes about 80 seconds to solve.
If your solve takes a similar time, then everything should be fine.

GTO+ can be downloaded here: http://www.gtoplus.com/download/
And CREV can be found here: https://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html
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07-23-2018 , 06:12 AM
Hi. I cant importranges from flopzilla.





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07-23-2018 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Asaf91
Hi. I cant importranges from flopzilla.
Flopilla's ranges are stored in the file newdefs2.txt.
You will find it in the same directory as Flopzilla.exe.
Most likely this will be C:\Program Files (x86)\Flopzilla\Flopzilla

To import the ranges:
1) Copy the newdefs2.txt file to the same directory as GTO.exe
2) Start GTO+
3) Go to "Settings->Import preflop ranges"
4) Select "newdefs2.txt"
5) Click on "IMPORT RANGES"
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07-23-2018 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
In the picture it says that future board cards are known. So for example you're on the flop, but you've already told the software that the turn will be 2h. CREV is a calculator, and will simply performs its calculations with this knowledge. The popup system however is a live update system that gives you the equity on the board itself. So the reason for the difference is that the CREV calculations are for the entire board, while the popup calculations are for the current board.
Thanks very much
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07-23-2018 , 06:00 PM
One thing which would be really awesome, though suspect might be horrible to implement, is the ability to import GTO+ trees and ranges into CREV


Still really hoping for you to bring backdoor straight draws as a condition in CREV (when combined with other conditions this is a standard call with wide ranges)
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