Ok, imagine this.

You have a 100 dollar stack.
You are in the small blind.
You hold A2o.

Preflop decision:
The pot is 1.5, you have 99.50 left.
You raise to 90 and get called by the big blind.

Flop decision:
The pot is 180, you have 10 left.
You go all in on any flop.


How would you rate each decision?
Would you expect their EV to be the same?
What's the difference?

Thank you, scylla. Now I got it. By calling PF I put more 8.5 in the pot, by shoving on the flop I got 5.4 back, but overall I am still losing -8.5+5.4 = -3.1.

Great software. Not only does all the math, but also does it right – differently from me . Congratulations.

I'm having trouble installing Stoxpoker EV calculator. I follow the instructions and save the link to my desktop and install the program. The install is successful and creates a shortcut on my desktop.

When I try and run the program, the following occurs: The program appears to launch and states it is looking to see if there is a newer version. Two seconds later I get an error message stating: "The trial period of this application has been manipulated. Please, register this software." I have no idea what could be causing this. At first I thought my date and time on my computer may have been incorrect, however this is not the case. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

It means there has been a change in your date or time.
The security software does not allow for that and refuses to run the program.
I'm putting up a new version around the end of this month, please try again then.

Sorry if this has been dealt with eslewhere- how do I compare two different lines? For example, HU, oop on the river and trying to decide whether to bet for value or checkcall?

Two options:

Option 1:
Set a weight of 50% to the top line.
Both lines will now get half of all the runs.
You can compare their EV by hovering over the action in question.


Option 2:
Press the Ex button.
StoxEV will work out the optimal way of playing all of your hands versus villain's strategy in the last street where the boardcards are known (I'm asuming the river is known in your file).
Whichever line your hand will be placed under is the optimal one.

OK thanks.

I think I've found a bug. I've set villain to bet at least 2nd nut flush on the river on a 4flush paired board. He should have full houses is in his range, since on the previous streets he still does (he's calling down). However when I hover my mouse over to see his range the only cards which show are the ones which give him flushes.

Another thing:

So I'm comparing vbetting to checking on the river. I've set one line to: hero checks, villain checks back evrything. I've set another line to hero bets, and villain calls or folds. I've set villain's calling range to have 50% equity vs my hand. Villain never folds anything better than my hand.

I've weighted these 2 lines 50% each. We would expect the EV of the two lines to be the same, right? But the numbers I'm getting from the program are different.

Ok, the xth nut flushes are still relatively new, so I might have screwed up there.


Edit: Just checked ... yep, I screwed up. I'll fix it in a couple of days.

No, they are two completely different lines with completely different calculations.

Thanks for that.

I'm a bit confused by this. When considering a valuebet on the river, we decide that a vbet would be greater EV than checking if we judge that, when called, our hand is best more than 50% of the time. (Obviously, normally this would be ip, and if we think that villain won't bluff checkraise. But in my example I have villain checking back his entire range when we check, so the above applies.) So if, when called, our hand is best 50% of the time, then the EV of checking should be the same as the EV of betting. Right? Am I missing something?

Could you e-mail the savefile to stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com please so I can have a closer look at it?

This has probably been asked before, but is there anyway of weighing handranges in this program?

Example situation:
I hold kings, and face an all-in decision. I put villain on JJ+, AKs, AKo. This gives me the equity of about 63%.

However, I feel that he has JJ 20%, QQ AKs AKo 30% and AA 50% of the time.
Is there anyway in the program to easily count my equity with regards to this?

Create each group separately and use the weight button.
It's default name is "100%".

In the tree it should look like this.

Sorry- my mistake- I forgot to select "at least" in his calling range- which meant he was folding better hands. Oops.

However I might have found another bug- I'll email you the file.

Sorry- my mistake again.

I'm having trouble running StoxEV.

When I start the program, the following occurs: The program launchs and I get the message stating: "StoxEV starting... The window will close in 5 seconds.."
But after that StoxEV quits without any other messages.

I have no idea what could be causing this. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Ok, lets start with this:
Go to the main directory and see if you can start StoxEVmain.exe manually.


By the way, one thing that may be causing this is that you're not running stoxev.exe or stoxevmain.exe as admin.

Hi scylla,

first of all congratulations for making such a fantastic piece of software. Really well done!

I hate this me too messages, but I observe the same behaviour: StoxEv checks for a new version and no main windows appears afterwards.

I use Windows XP and I'm the admin. To start the program manually yields the same result.

Regards,

/SunKidDance

What are you saying here?
The program
a) does
b) does not
start when you manually start StoxEVmain.exe?

Anyhow, I'll post a new version tomorrow, let's see if that fixes the problem.

Thanks for your reply!
I tried starting StoxEVmain.exe manually, but it didn't start.
I'm using WinXP and login as admin.
I'll try it on another PC later.

Ok, for what its worth, its running fine over here.

Thanks, it works well right now.

Awesome program!

I've just started learning this awesome program.
Unfortunatly I have reached a problem I cannot solve.
In your vid #2 you discus value-betting AK on the river with a condition to call villain' reraise all-in only if we get proper pot-odds.

I want to construct an exaple where UTG+5 is always calling UTG's flop shove with TP or better.

Additionally, I want UTG+5 to call the shove when getting at least odds 2:1 with his whole range.

On the images you can see that UTG+5 gets odds only 1.54:1 so he should fold. In this case this is equivalent with the 2nd condition (orange dot) fold all hands. In this case his EV = 990


However if I use the build-in funcion for pot odds calls (call <=2150) I get a different result. His EV = -699. Why? UTG+5 shold also fold in 100% of runs which should yield exactly the same result like in picture #1.

What am I missing?

doesn't that say he raises with those hands X% of the time, not that he has those hands X% of the time which is what OP is asking?