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Hi Scylla. In CREV, when I want to look at turn strategies, my flop strategy changes because turn is known. Is there a way to look at turn strategies and have the flop strategies not change?

CREV is a calculator, so it will simply calculate what you tell it to calculate. If you enter a flop+turn, then those will be included in the calculations. Depending on what exactly you're doing, you may want to try using GTO+ instead. GTO+ is our new software, which contains much of CREV's functionality. GTO+ works slightly differently, and due to its interface setup, the above will not be an issue. In all likelihood, GTO+ is already included in your CREV license, so you can just download it and request a key. For more on GTO+, please go here: http://www.gtoplus.com/

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03-16-2018 , 10:40 AM

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scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by SkepkA

Hi Scylla
Question on CREV
By creating several conditions for Eq (just this condition) in one tree, this causes a crash, can this be fixed?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kLf...ew?usp=sharing

Ok, I will see if I can find out where the problem is and with any luck post a fix shortly after that. This may end up taking up to a few days though, so I hope you're ok with that. Under normal circumstances I would take care of an issue such as this immediately, however right at this moment the release of the new website for GTO+ is taking up a lot of time.

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03-16-2018 , 10:44 AM

#6703

burneyj5

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 28

I just upgraded to the new version and it’s saying that I have the trial version. Any suggestions?

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03-16-2018 , 10:45 AM

#6704

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by burneyj5

I just upgraded to the new version and it’s saying that I have the trial version. Any suggestions?

With the release of the new website we have changed the licensing system, so you will need a new key.
It can be requested here: http://www.gtoplus.com/request-a-key/
The new key will be sent to you within a few minutes of the request.

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03-16-2018 , 03:26 PM

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SkepkA

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 18

EV is equal to the share of the prize ?

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03-17-2018 , 11:42 AM

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bballwiz

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,296

Beginner question, If we are player 1/Range 1 (OOP) if we have a specific hand in mind we are trying to review against a villain/player 2 (IP) can we just enter the specific hand we want to review vs player 2's range? Or is selecting only one specific hand essetially having our hand "face up" Where if we are only selecting one specific hand in range 1 then range 2 will only put us on that specific hand and be essentially like playing with our hand turned over.

So can we enter 1 hand combination? Or we have to enter a range of hands that we perceive player 2 to put player 1 on. Thanks for clearing that up.

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03-18-2018 , 05:55 AM

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scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by bballwiz

If you're asking for GTO+, or generally in the context of GTO play, then you should use the player's entire range. Otherwise villain will indeed know our exact hand, which is not the situation he will be up against in practical play. If you are only asking in the context of performing EV calculations (meaning that the tree and strategies are not affected by running a calculation), such as in CREV, then it won't be necessary to enter the entire range. The hand's EV will be the same, regardless of whether it is calculated together with other hands or not.

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03-18-2018 , 06:04 AM

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scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by SkepkA

EV is equal to the share of the prize ?

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EV is the absolute amount of prize money. We could add an option to express it in different ways, such as % of prize money, however, in the context of GTO what is mostly important are the strategies that the software arrives at, as well as the frequencies with which plays are made.

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03-20-2018 , 11:14 PM

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inneedformoney

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 60

is it possible to add in postflop condition menu "no backdoor flushdro"?? in crev
there is " no flush dro" and "no straight dro" but "no backdoor flushdro" is also very needed condition

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03-21-2018 , 11:50 AM

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felixxx1021

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 216

Which software is best for studying Spin & Go CREV or GTO+?

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03-21-2018 , 03:09 PM

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voy@ger

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 140

Found bug. When I am editing name of range and press delete, GTO delete all category or range which was selected before.

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03-22-2018 , 06:58 AM

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scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by felixxx1021

Which software is best for studying Spin & Go CREV or GTO+?

GTO+ specializes in heads-up postflop spots, while CREV is a more general purpose tool. So I would say CREV, although if you are interested in a specific heads-up postflop spot with GTO play, then GTO+.

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03-22-2018 , 06:59 AM

#6713

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by inneedformoney

is it possible to add in postflop condition menu "no backdoor flushdro"?? in crev
there is " no flush dro" and "no straight dro" but "no backdoor flushdro" is also very needed condition

Ok, I'll see if this can be added in one way or another.

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03-22-2018 , 07:02 AM

#6714

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by voy@ger

Found bug. When I am editing name of range and press delete, GTO delete all category or range which was selected before.

Ah yes, for some reason the "Delete" request is not properly being forwarded to the active window.
I'll see if we can figure out what causes this and fix it for the next release.

Thank you for pointing this out,

Scylla

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03-22-2018 , 08:54 AM

#6715

Ortega

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 64

Gto+ gona have a tournament tab, like CREV?
There is somewhere i can see how the CREV make the $EV psf calcs?

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03-22-2018 , 11:43 AM

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voy@ger

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 140

Also in build decisions tree 'delete' doesn't work

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03-22-2018 , 10:17 PM

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Sev Mile Dogg

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 658

It would be cool, to be able to reconfigure merged ranges, without having to re build/label the entire range over again.

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03-23-2018 , 05:42 AM

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scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by Ortega

Gto+ gona have a tournament tab, like CREV?
There is somewhere i can see how the CREV make the $EV psf calcs?

There's a SitAndGo tab in the "Build tree" section. See the screenshot below. As for the EV calculations, without getting too much in the way of the specifics, the way that they are performed in the code involves millions of tiny/huge numbers being added, multiplied, subtracted, etc. I don't think it's possible to display this data in meaningful way.

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03-23-2018 , 06:03 AM

#6719

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by Sev Mile Dogg

It would be cool, to be able to reconfigure merged ranges, without having to re build/label the entire range over again.

I don't fully understand which product (CREV or GTO+) or situation you're referring to.

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03-23-2018 , 06:08 AM

#6720

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,353

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Originally Posted by voy@ger

Also in build decisions tree 'delete' doesn't work

Do you mean in the profile editor? There, just select the profile that you want to delete and click on "Delete". The profile will now be marked with an X in front of it. When clicking on "Accept changes" the profile will be removed.

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03-23-2018 , 07:29 AM

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voy@ger

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 140

No, I mean when you entering something to text field in build decisions tree e.g. 3x, 50%, etc. and try to edit it with "delete" button on keyboard it does not work.

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03-23-2018 , 07:40 AM

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Sev Mile Dogg

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 658

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Originally Posted by scylla

I don't fully understand which product (CREV or GTO+) or situation you're referring to.

On gto+, in the hand matrix section, where u can set player 1 hand, and player 2 hand. If u mess around with saved merged ranges, it appear the u can't just modify them with add hands or change color assignments without building a whole new thread.

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03-23-2018 , 07:53 AM

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burneyj5

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 28

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Originally Posted by voy@ger

No, I mean when you entering something to text field in build decisions tree e.g. 3x, 50%, etc. and try to edit it with "delete" button on keyboard it does not work.

Highlight the selection and press backspace