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02-04-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerboy1606
Which folder are the flop exported to?
The /flops subdirectory.
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02-04-2018 , 09:19 AM
scylla, any comment on my feature suggestions? I think you've missed my post on the previous page.
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02-04-2018 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CafeDelMar
scylla, any comment on my feature suggestions? I think you've missed my post on the previous page.
Oh sorry. I seem to have overlooked that.

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Originally Posted by CafeDelMar
Hi scylla, amazing software you’ve got there.

There are a couple of features that would be very handy:

1. Actions EV comparison. Pio like comparison, that shows which hands lose most EV if played differently.
2. Ability to limit the number of raises on any given street. I know i can manually delete the branches, but that’s time consuming. “Limit the number of raises to X on the flop/turn/river” option when building a tree would help a lot.
3. Slider for range editing. When I want to bet 50% or 100% on the flop, I’d like to choose that with a slider. I have to click every combo for now. Time consuming and exhaustive again.

Thanks!
1. We have a lot of feature requests, and we can put this on the list of things to consider.
2. I don't think we should set a limit here. Poker doesn't work with a max number of bets, so it would be an artificial setup. Also, it's not going to make much difference in the tree size or calculation times, given that particularly lines where a lot of bets have been made only make up a small percentage of the total size of the tree.
3. Actually there's a already a slider, although it's not entirely recognizable as such. For this, just select hands in the equity bar below the matrix. See the pic below.

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02-04-2018 , 02:18 PM
3. Yeah, the slider is hard to recognize indeed. I have played with the software for a couple of days and couldn't find it even though I looked for it. It's still great that it's already there

As for points 1 & 2, I'm only taking out what I find useful in competition software, you know

2. Not to argue much, but most settings are artificial. Preset bet sizes are artificial, 100% checks OOP (remove bets OOP) are artificial more often than not, etc. Those tiny frequencies (like 4-5bet on the flop with 0.22 combos) often just clog up the tree and don't really add much value IMO, so it would be cool to clean them up easily. But it's up to you, of course.

Anyways, outstanding tool! Thank you for it!

Last edited by CafeDelMar; 02-04-2018 at 02:25 PM.
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02-06-2018 , 02:03 PM
Hi Scylla,

CREV and GTO+ and Flopzilla are all great products.

For all these products, I was wondering if it would be possible to add backdoor straight draws in the same way you support backdoor flush in CREV.



Martin
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02-07-2018 , 01:47 PM
Hi Scylla,

How about add oportunity use option "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly" to turn and river, because on flop we very deep in 100bb to create correct tree with this option?
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02-07-2018 , 02:06 PM
Hi guys,

I seem to have caught the flue, so please let me get back to you in one or two days.

Scylla
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02-07-2018 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mlzpkr
Hi Scylla,

CREV and GTO+ and Flopzilla are all great products.

For all these products, I was wondering if it would be possible to add backdoor straight draws in the same way you support backdoor flush in CREV.



Martin
+1
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02-08-2018 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mlzpkr
Hi Scylla,

CREV and GTO+ and Flopzilla are all great products.

For all these products, I was wondering if it would be possible to add backdoor straight draws in the same way you support backdoor flush in CREV.



Martin
Ok, I'll see if I can do something here.
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02-08-2018 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by XXI
Hi Scylla,

How about add oportunity use option "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly" to turn and river, because on flop we very deep in 100bb to create correct tree with this option?
You can already apply custom setting for the turn/river.
For this, click on "Use custom settings for turn", click on the little triangle, and click on "With only 2 bets left ...".
See the screenshot below.

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02-08-2018 , 02:45 PM
Hi, how can I say that I want a 3x check-raise?

Pot size on Flop: 4bb
OOP check, IP cbets 1,32bb, OOP raise 3,96bb

After the 1,32bb cbet the new pot size is 5,32bb.

3,96 / 5,32 = 74,43%

Here are my settings the OOP raise size is 6,26bb and not 3,96bb.
What is wrong in my calculation?

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02-08-2018 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Ok, I'll see if I can do something here.
Thanks,

That would be great!

I found that backdoor straigth draws are easier to conceal than backdoor flush draws, making them easier to get paid for their implied odds.

CREV, GTO+ and Flopzilla are perfect to explore their potential.
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02-08-2018 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
Hi, how can I say that I want a 3x check-raise?

Pot size on Flop: 4bb
OOP check, IP cbets 1,32bb, OOP raise 3,96bb

After the 1,32bb cbet the new pot size is 5,32bb.

3,96 / 5,32 = 74,43%

Here are my settings the OOP raise size is 6,26bb and not 3,96bb.
What is wrong in my calculation?

Enter '3x' for the bet size.
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02-09-2018 , 12:52 PM
Scylla

Any ideas why the 'aggregate' box isn't showing up here?

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02-09-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Scylla

Any ideas why the 'aggregate' box isn't showing up here?

If you can send the file to support then I should be able to figure out why those boxes are left out.
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02-09-2018 , 05:23 PM
Hope u feeling better,

From a tech noob perspective, I find the software to be wonderful, very ez to navigate.

The only issue I'm having, is that the graph lines are not visible on my laptop/tv monitors. I'm not sure if it's an resolution issue on my side or what? Is it possible to make the graph lines more visible... within software.... next release?
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02-10-2018 , 02:15 AM
Hi!

-Can i lock only one decisions for example fold range with exact combos ?

- Is it possible to lock decisions with predifined ranges. For example i know that opponent fold at flop at min 35% and raise max 8%. So if i enter this numbers and GTO+ would recomend best strategy with this setting.
Also would be great to have opportunity for example "Fold to Delay CB oop"- atleast 50% (maybe cut hands with lowest EV) and get best strat for that.

Simplified nodeloking would be so great.
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02-10-2018 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The problem there would be which data would need to be exported.
Just about any user would have custom requirements for that.
It would be difficult to set this up in a manner that pleases everyone.
A first solution could be to export the any part of the tree (with subtrees) in a standard interchange format like json.

Most languages have fast parsers for json files, so writing tools to convert to just about any other format would be relatively easy. Having the possibility to use tools like Excel, R and Scientific Python would definitely bring the software to a new level. Also, these languages have advance graphing packages, look at www.r-graph-gallery.com for R, and matplotlib.org/gallery.html for Python. All of that is available by exporting the data to json.

Supporting the capacity to define new trees with json files would also be great.

A+
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02-11-2018 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ZyuZiA
Hi!

-Can i lock only one decisions for example fold range with exact combos ?

- Is it possible to lock decisions with predifined ranges. For example i know that opponent fold at flop at min 35% and raise max 8%. So if i enter this numbers and GTO+ would recomend best strategy with this setting.
Also would be great to have opportunity for example "Fold to Delay CB oop"- atleast 50% (maybe cut hands with lowest EV) and get best strat for that.

Simplified nodeloking would be so great.
We can look into it, but I don't know if this is actually possible.
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02-11-2018 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sev Mile Dogg
Hope u feeling better,

From a tech noob perspective, I find the software to be wonderful, very ez to navigate.

The only issue I'm having, is that the graph lines are not visible on my laptop/tv monitors. I'm not sure if it's an resolution issue on my side or what? Is it possible to make the graph lines more visible... within software.... next release?
Which graph lines are you referring to?
Do you mean either line 1 or 2 in the pic below?

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02-12-2018 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Which graph lines are you referring to?

Do you mean either line 1 or 2 in the pic below?





The dotted line that separates EQ / EV. At some points in my study, I can't see the dotted line.
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02-12-2018 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sev Mile Dogg
The dotted line that separates EQ / EV. At some points in my study, I can't see the dotted line.


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02-12-2018 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sev Mile Dogg
The dotted line that separates EQ / EV. At some points in my study, I can't see the dotted line.
Ok, I'll see if I can do something there.
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02-13-2018 , 07:42 AM
GTO+ is powerful software. Thanks a lot for that Scylla.I have a question for a part where stats r displayed after solving.It goes into check,bet,fold and in every column hands r ordered based on equity in % (which is not very useful) , EV(all that we need in poker) and total combos (which is better by some authors like Will Tipton etc.)But,imo,for better learning is it possible to add another column(or maybe more than one)that will separate hands by mode or action from 100% to 0%.It will be useful to determine, at first glance ,hands that go into pure strategies (that r either 100% or 0%) and those that go into mix strategies to be ordered from 99% to 1%.For example AdTs produces EV of 0.56 if is used in a mixed strategy of 80% calling and 20% betting and if u open Call column it will be placed near top and if u open Bet column it will be placed near bottom.
Anyway it is superb software after adding advanced options. Good job!
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02-14-2018 , 06:14 AM

How can i see continue of this line on turns ? Cbet turn Overall %
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