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Old 11-07-2017, 09:39 AM   #6326
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Hi

thats excatly what i am looking for.

Do I have to resolve old Databases ?

When I click on the same button I get a tree with the Betsizes not the Frequencioes

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Old 11-07-2017, 09:59 AM   #6327
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Hi

thats excatly what i am looking for.

Do I have to resolve old Databases ?

When I click on the same button I get a tree with the Betsizes not the Frequencioes

https://imgur.com/a/MrjBv
Yes, you will indeed need to resolve.
This particular feature requires certain data that was not yet stored in v103.
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:37 AM   #6328
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Great product! Thanks a lot!
It`ll be great if board`s card will be larger and/or somewhere on the top of the screen. It`ll make easier to find them )
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Old 11-07-2017, 01:19 PM   #6329
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I have a question. Is it possible to see equity of hand player 1 against range opponent which will continue after my bet, not against entire range before my bet? thank you
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Old 11-07-2017, 03:21 PM   #6330
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Tell me which flops are most often used ?


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Old 11-08-2017, 06:17 AM   #6331
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Great product! Thanks a lot!
It`ll be great if board`s card will be larger and/or somewhere on the top of the screen. It`ll make easier to find them )
Yes, we will take care of this after the next release.
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:40 AM   #6332
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I have a question. Is it possible to see equity of hand player 1 against range opponent which will continue after my bet, not against entire range before my bet? thank you
This would require a dedicated feature, which in itself is something we can easily provide. However, this would come at the expense of complicating the interface. The problem here is that equity doesn't actually tell us much. For example, please see the pic below; it plots EV versus Equity. The blue line represents how much you would expect the EV to be if only looking at the equity. As you can see, the equity of a hand is a poor predictor of EV. Equity is of course a great quantity when working with all-in calcs, or in case it's the only quantity that you have available to you (if you want a quick impression, it's easy enough to calculate). However, in the context of a GTO solver, where EV is available, equity is one of the less interesting quantities to be looking at.


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Old 11-08-2017, 06:57 AM   #6333
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Tell me which flops are most often used ?

The rainbow flops have the most permutations.
The ratio for permutations of rainbow:2flush:mono is 6:3:1.

Two-flush flops occur more often though, because, although they have fewer permutations, there's more of them. For example, for every rainbow AKQ flop, there's 3 corresponding 2flush flops (AxKxQy, AxQxKy, KxQxAy).

So, all-in-all, you will see that 2flush flops are drawn most often when using the random flop generator. However, every rainbow flop is counted twice as heavily in the "All flops" calcs. With there being 3 times as many 2flush boards, but them being weighted only half as much, the ratio of 2flush vs rainbow is 3:2.

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Old 11-09-2017, 02:33 AM   #6334
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Hi Scylla,

I have been experiencing a freezing on CREV which seems similar to the one discussed on this page: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../index184.html

despite it should already be fixed. Despite its randomness, the most clear way to reproduce it is just change the focus to a CREV window (I usually have many of them opened, with slight different parameters, that I am comparing) and the window will freeze around 1/10 times for around 2s - sometimes enough to Windows show the "not responding" message. But there are "not responding" issues also when I am creating a tree, in a single window.

Actually I have this identical freezing due to a focus change in only one more program (from dozens I tested): the Poker Stars tables (no the Lobby, that never freezes). Actually was the PS software that brought my full attention to this problem.

Trying to fix this issue, I started updating my drivers and found that there is a way to temporally solve this problem: I just create a Restore Point in Windows (just that, no driver installation) and both programs, CREV and PS, immediately become free of any freezing, but only for around 30 minutes, them the problem returns, in both.

So, I recognize that probably there is something particular in my machine/Windows 10 (it is a fast one: i7, 16 Gb, NVidia), but there is also something particular in CREV and PS, because between dozens they are the only programs displaying this behavior.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:45 AM   #6335
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Hi Scylla,

I have been experiencing a freezing on CREV which seems similar to the one discussed on this page: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../index184.html

despite it should already be fixed. Despite its randomness, the most clear way to reproduce it is just change the focus to a CREV window (I usually have many of them opened, with slight different parameters, that I am comparing) and the window will freeze around 1/10 times for around 2s - sometimes enough to Windows show the "not responding" message. But there are "not responding" issues also when I am creating a tree, in a single window.

Actually I have this identical freezing due to a focus change in only one more program (from dozens I tested): the Poker Stars tables (no the Lobby, that never freezes). Actually was the PS software that brought my full attention to this problem.

Trying to fix this issue, I started updating my drivers and found that there is a way to temporally solve this problem: I just create a Restore Point in Windows (just that, no driver installation) and both programs, CREV and PS, immediately become free of any freezing, but only for around 30 minutes, them the problem returns, in both.

So, I recognize that probably there is something particular in my machine/Windows 10 (it is a fast one: i7, 16 Gb, NVidia), but there is also something particular in CREV and PS, because between dozens they are the only programs displaying this behavior.
In most of these cases this will turn out to be an external program interfering with the software; most likely a virus scanner or firewall, so please try setting an exception. It's also possible that it's some sort of issue in either your hardware or your installation of Windows. The cause will not be the program itself, given that there's no reason for it to freeze; it's not doing anything substantial. Freezes caused by a program itself can occur while it's performing some sort of operation, however building trees is not a very resource demanding activity. It sounds like for some reason Windows is not capable of giving you access. Does GTO+ work properly for you? And has it perhaps been a while since you have formatted? My own systems do tend to run into all sorts of smallish issues after one or two years. Or do you perhaps have CREV installed on an external disc of some kind? In some cases this can cause poor performance. Also, can you try turning ON "Settings->Disable undo function for solver data"? Judging from your description I don't think this is the cause, but it's easy enough to try.

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Old 11-10-2017, 01:12 AM   #6336
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In most of these cases this will turn out to be an external program interfering with the software; most likely a virus scanner or firewall, so please try setting an exception. It's also possible that it's some sort of issue in either your hardware or your installation of Windows. The cause will not be the program itself, given that there's no reason for it to freeze; it's not doing anything substantial. Freezes caused by a program itself can occur while it's performing some sort of operation, however building trees is not a very resource demanding activity. It sounds like for some reason Windows is not capable of giving you access. Does GTO+ work properly for you? And has it perhaps been a while since you have formatted? My own systems do tend to run into all sorts of smallish issues after one or two years. Or do you perhaps have CREV installed on an external disc of some kind? In some cases this can cause poor performance. Also, can you try turning ON "Settings->Disable undo function for solver data"? Judging from your description I don't think this is the cause, but it's easy enough to try.
About the antivirus and firewall I already created exceptions (even stopped or remove them for tests).

I installed GTO+ and it works perfectly, without any freezing. If I click on the opening software windows, changing the focus between CREV and GTO+, CREV freezes around 1/10 times, while GTO+ never freezes (and I just did a fresh new installation of CREV, removing the previous one with Revo). And if I have many CREV windows opened then when one freezes (due to the focus change) all of them also freezes (while the other softwares/windows keep working perfectly).

I don not have CREV in an external disc. I turned ON the undo function, but it did not solve the problem.

The computer had Windows 7 installed for around 2 years and it was upgraded to Window 10 around 1 year ago. But I think that even if I do a new installation I can end with the same problem (if it is some sort of "peculiarity" of my machine, that can be solved only with some manual adjustment; because I know that CREV and PS run well in other machines, but except for this "small" freeze in this two softwares there is nothing in my machine indicating any problem - and I looked for it), so I will wait a bit more.
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Old 11-10-2017, 06:42 AM   #6337
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About the antivirus and firewall I already created exceptions (even stopped or remove them for tests).

I installed GTO+ and it works perfectly, without any freezing. If I click on the opening software windows, changing the focus between CREV and GTO+, CREV freezes around 1/10 times, while GTO+ never freezes (and I just did a fresh new installation of CREV, removing the previous one with Revo). And if I have many CREV windows opened then when one freezes (due to the focus change) all of them also freezes (while the other softwares/windows keep working perfectly).

I don not have CREV in an external disc. I turned ON the undo function, but it did not solve the problem.

The computer had Windows 7 installed for around 2 years and it was upgraded to Window 10 around 1 year ago. But I think that even if I do a new installation I can end with the same problem (if it is some sort of "peculiarity" of my machine, that can be solved only with some manual adjustment; because I know that CREV and PS run well in other machines, but except for this "small" freeze in this two softwares there is nothing in my machine indicating any problem - and I looked for it), so I will wait a bit more.
Ok, it really sounds like for some reason Windows can not instantly access the Window itself then. I can't think of any reason why this would be, given that GTO+ and CREV are very similar from many perspectives. One thing you could try is uninstalling and reinstalling to a different directory. This often resolves many issues; the files are restored, as well as being placed in a different section of the harddrive. So if there's an issue with that section, or if there's an external program looking for that particular directory, then this will get around that.
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Old 11-12-2017, 01:43 AM   #6338
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I was accidentally charged for two licenses because my bank placed a hold on my card and declined the charges until I reviewed them. I thought there was an error with my card info, so I re-submitted it as suggested.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:01 AM   #6339
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I was accidentally charged for two licenses because my bank placed a hold on my card and declined the charges until I reviewed them. I thought there was an error with my card info, so I re-submitted it as suggested.
Ok, can you please send an e-mail to support?
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:29 AM   #6340
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Sent, thank you
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:07 AM   #6341
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Hey Scylla,

Can you please explain me some basic features of the software?

1) What are the darker parts of the range in this example?


*Note: I have a weight for a part of the range (ie: 88, 99, 57s), but I don't have a weight for KK and that one's dark as well.

2) What is the red color?
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:52 PM   #6342
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Hey Scylla,

Can you please explain me some basic features of the software?

1) What are the darker parts of the range in this example?


*Note: I have a weight for a part of the range (ie: 88, 99, 57s), but I don't have a weight for KK and that one's dark as well.

2) What is the red color?
1) The darkness in which the box is drawn corresponds with the number of combos that are present in it. KK is only partially drawn because when player 1 "Bet 12" (after which player 2 raised), he did not bet all of his KK hands, but only some of them. So not all KK hands have made it to this part of the tree.

2) Red is "Fold", green is "Call" and blue is "Raise". There's a legend at the bottom of the matrix. See pic below. Should you prefer to use different colors, then you can set your own custom ones in the next update.

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Old 11-14-2017, 07:23 AM   #6343
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Can we solve preflop equilibrium ranges in tournament mode with CREV?Let say for 20bb effective or 15 etc.I can't figure it out.
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:08 PM   #6344
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Is "card removal (F10)" an option that I should have ON most of the time? what exactly does it do?

I didn't understand the website description of it.
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Can we solve preflop equilibrium ranges in tournament mode with CREV?Let say for 20bb effective or 15 etc.I can't figure it out.
Yes, it can. CREV's preflop solver is basic though, and does not include postflop play (this would require roughly 100GB of memory). If the flop is reached a checkdown must be used. However, other than that, the preflop solver does indeed work for tournament spots.
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Is "card removal (F10)" an option that I should have ON most of the time? what exactly does it do?

I didn't understand the website description of it.
If "Card removal" is ON, then the effect of villain's range on your own frequencies will be taken into account. So, for example, if villain has a range with a lot of aces in it, then the calculations will take into account that you yourself are less likely to hold an ace. If "Card Removal" is OFF, then this card removal effect is ignored.

Is "card removal (F10)" an option that I should have ON most of the time?

If you're not certain, then just leave it ON, although in most cases the difference in results will be small. It's interesting to see though how big the influence of card removal actually is. Usually its effects become noticable in very tight ranges where both players tend to hold similar hands.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:25 PM   #6347
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How do I add a custom flop subset into a script? For example I have a list of all the paired flops that contain at least one ace, and want to study those flops.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:31 PM   #6348
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Yes, it can. CREV's preflop solver is basic though, and does not include postflop play (this would require roughly 100GB of memory). If the flop is reached a checkdown must be used. However, other than that, the preflop solver does indeed work for tournament spots.
What would you estimate the memory requirment to be if a flop subset was used (say 74 flops)?
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What would you estimate the memory requirment to be if a flop subset was used (say 74 flops)?
It depends on at how many points postflop play would need to be simulated and how complex that play would be. Without any such details I'd ballpark it at 74GB. In my view it's not really that interesting of a feature though. It requires massive resources and only works for heads-up play (so it can't be used for, for example, 6-handed play). On top of that, particularly when it comes to cash games, you're much better off looking at your own historic performance. The sample size for preflop play is considerable, and in this manner the results will match both your own play and the type of opposition that you encounter. In my view GTO is mainly interesting for postflop play, given that in those cases the sample size for any spot that you encounter will be too tiny to base any conclusions off. It's in those spots that you can fill in the gaps with GTO simulations.

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How do I add a custom flop subset into a script? For example I have a list of all the paired flops that contain at least one ace, and want to study those flops.
Are you talking about GTO+? For that, just create your own custom list of flops by using the "Add specific flop" button. After this, you can store this list to file with "Export flops to file". It can then later be imported into another database/script with "Import flops from file".

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