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10-27-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
hey scylla is there a way for me to deactivate my license on a laptop/computer, i'm getting rid of this laptop and would like to free up another key slot?

thanks.
There's no need to deactivate. You can simply request a new key on the website: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/requestkey.html. The key will be sent to you within a few minutes of your request and the licensing system will take care of all the other details.

Last edited by scylla; 10-27-2017 at 01:58 PM.
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10-31-2017 , 01:11 AM
Outstanding support, outstanding softwares, A++

Quick question if I can: I have GTO+ and I dont know how to set multiples raise sizing on the flop, it is possible?



In this example, the solver suggest to raise 4,55% of the time, but to 100$, an overbet shove (over a bet of 18). I'm curious to explore different raises sizings and I don't know how.


Thanks!
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10-31-2017 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JefPat
Outstanding support, outstanding softwares, A++

Quick question if I can: I have GTO+ and I dont know how to set multiples raise sizing on the flop, it is possible?



In this example, the solver suggest to raise 4,55% of the time, but to 100$, an overbet shove (over a bet of 18). I'm curious to explore different raises sizings and I don't know how.


Thanks!
GTO+ is currently in beta and does not yet offer a feature for making edits to your trees. This will be available in the next update. This next update will actually be in two parts, the first of which will be before the end of this week. This mid-update will not contain editing features yet, but will offer a tree navigator that shows the entire tree and offers popups when you mouse over it, similarly to CREV. This release is taking a bit longer than expected because we have also decided to add one more display mode to the "all flops" database option. The editing feature will be released after this.

Last edited by scylla; 10-31-2017 at 06:26 AM.
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10-31-2017 , 10:57 AM
Hi, scylla. I like to use your program GTO+ and i have a few questions and suggestions.
1. Can you add option of using frequencies for boards on tab "All flops"? It allows to calculate less boards. I talk about PIO subsets.
2. Can you add opportunity to analyse postflop lines more advanced like "Check/Raise, Check/Call, Check/Fold, Bet/Raise, Bet/Call, Bet/Fold, Fold"?
3. I think will be great to add filter "No draw" like "No flashdraw".
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11-01-2017 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by XXI
Hi, scylla. I like to use your program GTO+ and i have a few questions and suggestions.
1. Can you add option of using frequencies for boards on tab "All flops"? It allows to calculate less boards. I talk about PIO subsets.
We already do this. In fact, if you add the maximum of 1755 random flops with the "Add X random flops" button and calculate this database, then you'll find that the equities in the aggregate report are the exact preflop equities that you would get from an equity calculator. So, although the database will only show a flop as being, for example, AhKh2c, we do indeed correct for the multiple ways there are of dealing a AxKx2y flop.

If you want to check for yourself, then just build a database with 1755 random flops for a tree with only a single bet. After all, for the equities it doesn't matter how the tree is composed; they will always be the same for any tree. Calculating this database should take about 30 minutes, so it should be easy enough to verify.

Other than that, around the end of this year we will offer some default flops sets for 25flops, 50flops, 75flops, etc. We basically already have everything we need for this; we just need to create some full databases for larger trees and a searching algorithm.

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Originally Posted by XXI
2. Can you add opportunity to analyse postflop lines more advanced like "Check/Raise, Check/Call, Check/Fold, Bet/Raise, Bet/Call, Bet/Fold, Fold"?
Can you elaborate a bit please?
I don't think I fully understand what you mean.

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Originally Posted by XXI
3. I think will be great to add filter "No draw" like "No flashdraw".
We already offer a "No flushdraw" option.
For this, turn ON "Settings->Always include No flushdraw in stats".

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11-01-2017 , 06:50 AM
The filter system is working great for me but size of the made hand strength gets resized based on draw properties, so when you have no flushdraw 90% of the time like here the bars for made hand gets pretty small. Maybe a possible improvement would be to resize made hand strength and draw properties independently of each other?

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11-01-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla

Can you elaborate a bit please?
I don't think I fully understand what you mean.
I talk about something like "Advanced Mod", where we can see our action on next aggressive action from opponent.


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Originally Posted by scylla
We already offer a "No flushdraw" option.
For this, turn ON "Settings->Always include No flushdraw in stats".
I saw this option. But when we analyzing our range and filtering "No made hand" and "No flushdraw" we saw draw like "OESD and gutshot together with trash". "No draw" option give us opportunity to filtering "full trash hands".
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11-02-2017 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalupso
The filter system is working great for me but size of the made hand strength gets resized based on draw properties, so when you have no flushdraw 90% of the time like here the bars for made hand gets pretty small. Maybe a possible improvement would be to resize made hand strength and draw properties independently of each other?

Yes, this is one of the problems with the "No X" type of stats, namely that they are basically around 100%, which causes the other stats to need to be shrunk down. I don't think that we need to go as far as using different scales though; an alternative would be to scale small frequencies up a bit. This is what we already do in CREV. It's not really very noticable to the human eye, but it makes all the tiny bars a little bit bigger.

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11-02-2017 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by XXI
I talk about something like "Advanced Mod", where we can see our action on next aggressive action from opponent.
I like the principle of the idea, but the problem is that with 6 different colors it's probably going to turn out to be very hard to interpret what's going on. There's only so much information that can be fit into a small bar. I'll keep it in mind though. Perhaps there's some other way to accomplish this effect.

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Originally Posted by XXI
I saw this option. But when we analyzing our range and filtering "No made hand" and "No flushdraw" we saw draw like "OESD and gutshot together with trash". "No draw" option give us opportunity to filtering "full trash hands".
Typically trash hands can be found in the "no made hands" stat, with them being the ones with low equity. I'm not averse to adding more stats for further definition of all kinds of properties, but it seems to me that if people are looking for a "No X" for every "X" stat, that it may be preferable to start considering some sort of a more general approach.
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11-05-2017 , 03:22 AM
is there any way to implement solving for multi-way pots? Would CREV be the best option for studying multi-way spots as of now?
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11-05-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GutPunch
is there any way to implement solving for multi-way pots? Would CREV be the best option for studying multi-way spots as of now?
No, we've decided to only focus on heads-up postflop GTO solving. The resources and time required for multiway solving would be huge, but even moreso, mutiway postflop spots are very rare and occur in far greater diversity; this makes it an unattainable task to prepare for them in off-table analysis. For example, with one new additional player in the hand, the number of additional scenarios based on possible configurations of that player's range alone would easily be an increase by a factor 10. And each of these additional scenarios would take 100 times more time to calculate. All-in-all, I feel that all this time is better invested by preparing for spots that actually occur with greater frequency.

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11-05-2017 , 11:51 PM
Pretty sure this was asked before so I apologize in advance but I was wondering if you have compared your GTO product results with other GTO solvers out there for the exact same spot and how similar are those results? have you compared the calculation time? Cheers.
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11-06-2017 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx
Pretty sure this was asked before so I apologize in advance but I was wondering if you have compared your GTO product results with other GTO solvers out there for the exact same spot and how similar are those results? have you compared the calculation time? Cheers.
The solving speeds are similar, and the solutions are the same. We can not make a full comparison though, given that where our solver converges to 0%, pio never seems to converge, but hangs at around 0.05%. So it's not possible to compare two solutions at 0%, which would be interesting to see.

Other than that, a software is only as good as its interface, and personally I feel that we offer one of the best interfaces out there. You can judge for yourself though with the videos here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html.

We also offer very small savefiles (as little as roughly 100kb), the ability to store multiple trees in databases (which, again, require almost no storage space) and make comparisons between them. Furthermore GTO+ offers various graphing options for visualizing ranges, turn/river reports and databases. To the best of my knowledge, GTO+ is the only software to offer such features.

GTO+ is still in beta though, and we still need to complete the tree editor. Later today we will release v104, which will offer an extensive view of the tree like in CREV and a new output mode for aggregate reports in databases. The release after this will contain the editor.
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11-06-2017 , 11:34 AM
is there a way to put 2 different bet sizes on the gto solver?
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11-06-2017 , 11:35 AM
Is there right now a possibility to see the strategy for all Flops in the Database combined ?

If not is a similar feature planed ?


Thanks

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11-06-2017 , 03:05 PM
Why is the cardrunners ev website offline? :-(
I was trying to download the new GTO+ version but now the website is offline.
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11-06-2017 , 06:31 PM
hey scylla can u add a changelog.txt on the website or somewhere? thanks
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11-06-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
Why is the cardrunners ev website offline? :-(
I was trying to download the new GTO+ version but now the website is offline.
+1

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11-06-2017 , 08:15 PM
I can access the site and download GTO+ with my phone but not from my PC. o__O

wtf if I use this proxy: https://hide.me/de/proxy
Then I can access the site also from my PC and download GTO+.

I have installed the new version now. It looks very good. The new tree windows makes the navigation very easy. Good work !

Last edited by x64asm; 11-06-2017 at 08:33 PM.
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11-07-2017 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by gausspoker
is there a way to put 2 different bet sizes on the gto solver?
We have just released v104 of GTO+, which offers an extensive view of the tree. This new feature also contains a tab "Edit tree". The contents of this tab will be available in v105, at which point more extensive tree building and editing options will be available.

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11-07-2017 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by John Wang
hey scylla can u add a changelog.txt on the website or somewhere? thanks
That's already available.

For the CREV changelog, go here (scroll down): http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html

For the GTO+ changelog, go here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html
Again, scroll down.
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11-07-2017 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
I can access the site and download GTO+ with my phone but not from my PC. o__O

wtf if I use this proxy: https://hide.me/de/proxy
Then I can access the site also from my PC and download GTO+.

I have installed the new version now. It looks very good. The new tree windows makes the navigation very easy. Good work !
Yes, I've had some reports from people not being able to reach the website. When I test whether it is up from several locations though (which you can do here: https://www.uptrends.com/tools/uptime) then it appears it is up from all available test locations. So this appears to be a local issue, which can be circumvented by using a proxy.

From what I can tell from the website statistics, there's no siginifcant drop in visitors, so this issue apparently only affects a small number of users. Typically these types of issues resolve themselves in a few days, so if you try again in a week, then the website will probably be available to you again.
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11-07-2017 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fasteddie70
Is there right now a possibility to see the strategy for all Flops in the Database combined ?

If not is a similar feature planed ?


Thanks
For that, in the database feature, click on the "statistics" button (1). There, click on the "All flops" tab (2). Several display options are available (3). As of v104 a new display mode has been added, which shows the frequencies throughout the entire tree for all flops combined.

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11-07-2017 , 06:42 AM
Looks like I wasn't precise on my Question.

I know that I can check for EV and Equities for my Range on all Flops .

What i am asking for is a Tree with my entire Range on those "all Flops"

When I built up a subset of Flops to mimic all possible Flops this feature would tell me how I usually play my Range on all flops .

This would help to see where my Opponents are usually unbalanced . Once I know in which line they are unbalanced in general I go deeper and check several Flops where they might be more or less unbalanced.

I know this couldn't be done for every single Turn / River card bet it would be enough for me to the the frequencies on Flop, Turn and River without specifying a Card in the Tree

Hope I explained it better this time
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11-07-2017 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fasteddie70
Looks like I wasn't precise on my Question.

I know that I can check for EV and Equities for my Range on all Flops .

What i am asking for is a Tree with my entire Range on those "all Flops"

When I built up a subset of Flops to mimic all possible Flops this feature would tell me how I usually play my Range on all flops .

This would help to see where my Opponents are usually unbalanced . Once I know in which line they are unbalanced in general I go deeper and check several Flops where they might be more or less unbalanced.

Hope I explained it better this time
If I understand you correctly, then this is actually a new output mode in v104, which was just released:

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