Hey Scylla, thanks for the quick reply. Do you know if anyone has successfully gotten GTO+ to run on crossover? I can't seem to make it work. It'll install and everything but when I try to run it nothing happens. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks again.

Is it possible that GTO+ has not yet connected to the internet to check its license? It will need to do this at least once. Can you navigate between decisions in trees (at the top of the screen)? If it has never connected then this will not work either.

Is there a way to save a specific loadout for subtree wizard building (like when u right click)?

Taking too much time manually to include all relevant decision trees so i can most accurate solution as possible...

Have this graph, containing the chances of having a card, been removed?

Hey Scylla,

I'm not sure what it's doing. So far as I can tell it's not doing anything. I've uploaded a short video to youtube to show the install process I went through and what the results are.

At the end of the video I don't wait very long for GTO to do anything but All the times I've tried before it just sits like this for hours. Also I've tried each of the bottles in the bottle list in crossover (Windows 7, Windows 7 64bit, Windows 8, etc.).

I'd really like to be able to use this software so any help or suggestions you can provide would be great.

Thanks

Video here: https://youtu.be/wZqEMvlIm3Y

In regards to the max exploit tool the best way to make use of it is to have the nash solver run OTF & OTT when run outs are unknown then OTR we set node locks for villain and run the max exploit tool instead of nash solver?

So from my understanding we only use max exploit tool OTR?
^Because all run outs are known and we know villain's strategy/deviations on all streets?

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The purpose of the max exploit tool is to maximize our EV of per every hand combo in our range vs villain's deviated strategy (the more deviation the more EV we will get with our hands + range)?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...54/index2.html

The thread linked above is a simple game i did OTR to see the EV differences of each player when using max exploit and nash solver.

So in the thread i was hoping you could answer post #27 on page 2 about max exploiting.

Thanks..

You can use Ctrl+Alt+C and Ctrl+Alt+V to copy-paste entire subtrees. So if you have built a subtree manually and want to copy it to some other part of the tree, then this is what you can use.

For this:
1) Select the source action by left-clicking it
2) Press Ctrl+Alt+C
3) Mouse over the target decision
4) Press Ctrl+Alt+V to paste

There are no security checks when using this feature though, so please do make sure that the pot, stacks and active player are the same in the target decision as they are in the source decision.

No, it's just no longer shown by default.
To show it, go to "Settings->Dynamic popup settings" and select "Draw card distribution".

It says that this video is not available. However, once again, can you please tell me if you can navigate through the tree between decisions with the tree navigator? So for example, can you go to a "Player 1 bets, player 2 raises, player 3 3bets" line? If not, then the problem is that the software has failed to connect to the internet. Otherwise, I'll need to check the code to see if there's other reasons for the solver refusing to run. So, please let me know so that I know how to proceed.

I'm afraid I have run out of time for today, given that I have some other obligations this evening.
I will have to respond to this post tomorrow morning.

No, I cannot navigate anything. There isn't even a window that pops up. So this means it's not connecting to the internet? Would the same thing happen with Flopzilla? I could try re-installing that to see if that is really the problem.

The video should be availible now. I accidentally had it on private.

What does this mean scylla?

If you want to know how to play, then you should use the GTO solver; it will give you a balanced strategy.
In GTO context, the max exploit tool is mostly just handy to check if the solution is indeed within the given dEV.

A second use is when you have run the solver with nodes locked for villain with assumptions about his play. You can now run the max exploit tool to see how big the leaks are that you have created in your own game, should villain pick up on what you are doing and adapt. For this, run the max exploit tool for villain with the option "No, perform Max Exploit for all actions" selected.

So, in summary, in GTO context, the Max Exploit tool is not an anaysis tool.
It's a tool for verifying your solution.
If you want to know how to play, then please use the GTO solver.

This looks like a Windows error, which for some reason is denying you access to a certain file.
It's not something that I can immediately solve, given that the issue is not within the software itself, but in the operating system.

Oh, I'm sorry, in that case I misunderstood your issue.
I though you meant that the solver was freezing when you tried to run it.
This will happen when it has not yet checked its license.

The fact that the program doesn't start at all has nothing to do with internet access. Unfortunately I don't know enough about CrossOver to tell you why it won't start for you. From what I can tell, most people seem to get it to run on a Mac, so it's definitely possible.

You can easily try and see if it runs for you. If so, then maybe this is just some sort of fluke in GTO+ v101 for you. V102 is expected to be released tomorrow, so if the issue remains in v101, then please try v102.

Thanks Scylla. I've got my fingers crossed. It looks like a great program.

So you haven't really given me an answer to either of my initial 2 questions, is it yes or no to both questions i asked?

I'm just trying to understand how EV works.

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Also i don't care much about a balanced strategy i just want to be taking highest overall EV strat with my hands/range, coz at the stakes i play i don't need to worry about that stuff

I'm sorry if I was unclear. My answer was that you should use the GTO solver, and not the max exploit tool. In the case of a GTO solution, when there is a mix between two actions, the choice of the max exploit tool for one of the two actions is basically just a random selection. Please see below for a more elaborate explanation.


The problem here is that the max exploit tool does not really give a superior strategy as compared to the one from the GTO solver. The GTO solver will give 3 possible types of outcomes per hand. The first is 100% bet. The second is 100% check. And the third is a mix of the two. Now, when there is a mix in a fully converged solution, the EV for both actions is actually the same, and hero is indifferent between the two. However, in practice, when using the solver, the solution will not fully have converged yet, and there will be a tiny (tiny, tiny, tiny) difference between the EV for the two lines. However, this difference is basically just a coincidence. It could easily have been a higher EV for the other action.

Now, when you use the max exploit tool, it will pick the action with the highest EV and perform it 100% of the time. However, the choice of action is pretty much just random. The fact that the action has a higher EV is a complete coincidence. In reality there's no difference between the two actions, and you're just looking at static. If there's a mix between two hands, in the case that you describe, you can just pick either action, given that hero is indifferent between the two choices.

Using the max exploit tool however, will not give you a superior solution. The solution may be better in that particular configuration of the solution, however, if you were to apply this max exploit solution to a different stage of the solver, then it may well perform worse. It only performs better against the tiny imperfections of that particular configuration.

Hey Scylla, just thought of one more question about GTO+. After watching the videos it looks like there is only one bet sizing option. Is this correct or does it allow for multiple bet sizing options at any given action point?

GTO+ is currently in beta, so not all features are available yet. V102 of GTO+ will be released either today or Sunday. It will offer SitAndGo functionality, as well as a few features that were requested by users so far. After this we will begin work on v103, which will offer more extensive tree building/editing/navigation tools. So you should have what you're looking for in a few weeks.

Hi Scylla,

When editing a preflop tree in CREV, are multi-conditions the only way to manually enter ranges with more than 5 weights? When you use a string as the starting range for a posflop tree it works fine but the same string will not be accepted preflop?

Hi!

After solving the flop tree via equilibrium solver how can I change the further streets bet sizings and recalculate from turn/river?

Sorry for asking, just can't figure it out by myself.

UPD. Ok, I got it. Probably should sleep more.

The maximum number of weights in the preflop phase is set at 5. This choice is for the sake of transparancy. Each weight has its own unique color, and it's possible to fully tell what has been selected in a matrix just by looking at it. So there is always full visual feedback to what you are selecting. When the hand starts postflop however, you can indeed enter any string. This also applies to our new software GTO+.

Hey scylla, i'm trying to see how flop frequencies (raising/calling) will change for PFC OTF if villain has a high betting frequency OTT.

So i'm not trying to node locking assumptions for villain OTF, but i am node trying to node locking assumptions for villain OTT, is this possible and what is best way to go around doing it to find out my initial question?

Thanks.

Hi, Scylla.
It seems to me that I found something strange with the solver.
In the following example, I swapped range 1 through range 2 and blocked 100% checks in the second case.
This IMO should give the same result (it's like when you eliminate the oop donk bet option), but the answers are very different.
What is the reason for this? or What am I doing wrong?

https://gyazo.com/6dc60e87ec527951172fb18b3b228f25

https://gyazo.com/84d8dc77670a794c6d80eea643ef08aa