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Old 02-12-2009, 05:41 PM   #551
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

ttt for this great free software, also scylla are you the old bug in the new VW comercials?
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Old 02-12-2009, 05:51 PM   #552
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ttt for this great free software, also scylla are you the old bug in the new VW comercials?
I have no idea what that means.
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:12 PM   #553
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:21 PM   #554
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

scylla or anyone else that reads this thread,

has anyone come up with a better way of approximating your postflop ev, than using the checkdown feature?

For example say I am modeling a HU game where I want to see what my ev of 3betting K8s from the BB is. My opponent can Fold Call or 4bet. If I know I am folding to every 4bet, then the only unknown quantity is my ev when he flats and I have to play mulitple streets.

Right now the only really viable option is to use the checkdown feature, but IM very unsure of how accurate this is in approximating my ev in real play, when Im at least sometimes going to be cbetting, or check calling, etc and the pot size will grow

Has anyone come up with a good approximation of how to use the checkdown feature to atleast somewhat approximately determine the EV of postflop play?

If not are there any other methods, other than doing the whole game tree on each street, which is obviously extremely time consuming and complicated
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:24 PM   #555
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

mods please lock/delete before my competition finds this best free poker software on the market
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:04 PM   #556
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

where are the video manuals on how to use this software?
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:26 PM   #557
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stoxpoker.com set the filter to pro = guest pro and concept = ev. part one and two. gl
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:10 AM   #558
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scylla or anyone else that reads this thread,

has anyone come up with a better way of approximating your postflop ev, than using the checkdown feature?

For example say I am modeling a HU game where I want to see what my ev of 3betting K8s from the BB is. My opponent can Fold Call or 4bet. If I know I am folding to every 4bet, then the only unknown quantity is my ev when he flats and I have to play mulitple streets.

Right now the only really viable option is to use the checkdown feature, but IM very unsure of how accurate this is in approximating my ev in real play, when Im at least sometimes going to be cbetting, or check calling, etc and the pot size will grow

Has anyone come up with a good approximation of how to use the checkdown feature to atleast somewhat approximately determine the EV of postflop play?

If not are there any other methods, other than doing the whole game tree on each street, which is obviously extremely time consuming and complicated
make a gametree that accounts for your standard play. It might take an hour, but it won't take longer. Save it. Now when you want to do things like this, open it up and change around what you need to. This is especially easy and useful for HU play
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:54 AM   #559
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

Hi guys,

I'm just adding the CEREUS network to the possible imports.
I only have hand histories of cash games so far and I could really use:
- Some tournament hands
- Some hands where antes are posted
- Some hands where people are posting anywhere else but from the blinds

Please mail to stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com.

Thanks a lot!

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Old 02-22-2009, 05:32 PM   #560
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

Sorry if this has been answered before -

Why do StoxEV and Flopzilla expire?
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

what's the best way to deal with "air"?

for example, HU, I open AK to 3x, and BB calls with top 20%. flop is Q53, BB checks, i cbet, BB c/r. I put him on at least top pair 80% of the time and "air" the other 20%.

Whats the best way to express the "air"?
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:44 PM   #562
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scylla or anyone else that reads this thread,

has anyone come up with a better way of approximating your postflop ev, than using the checkdown feature?

For example say I am modeling a HU game where I want to see what my ev of 3betting K8s from the BB is. My opponent can Fold Call or 4bet. If I know I am folding to every 4bet, then the only unknown quantity is my ev when he flats and I have to play mulitple streets.

Right now the only really viable option is to use the checkdown feature, but IM very unsure of how accurate this is in approximating my ev in real play, when Im at least sometimes going to be cbetting, or check calling, etc and the pot size will grow

Has anyone come up with a good approximation of how to use the checkdown feature to atleast somewhat approximately determine the EV of postflop play?

If not are there any other methods, other than doing the whole game tree on each street, which is obviously extremely time consuming and complicated
after reading this post i've come up with this way but i'm not sure how good it is, maybe scylla or stox ev experts can tell if it's good or not.


estimate your equity when they call and instead of checking down, assign a weight for you to bet all hands and them to fold all hands. in the picture i gave the button 55% equity. can you guys tell me what you think of this?
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:59 PM   #563
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

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what's the best way to deal with "air"?

for example, HU, I open AK to 3x, and BB calls with top 20%. flop is Q53, BB checks, i cbet, BB c/r. I put him on at least top pair 80% of the time and "air" the other 20%.

Whats the best way to express the "air"?


i think but i'm still noobish with this thing
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:56 PM   #564
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i think but i'm still noobish with this thing
I don't think that's correct. Your expression says he raises 20% of the time when he has at most high card.

I want to say, given he has raised, 20% of the raises will be made up of at most high card.

here is a quick example to illustrate this not working

SB vs BB Heads-up, start analysis on the flop. Give SB and BB a random range. BB bets $1, SB raises to $2 greater than top pair top kicker (weight 100) and at most high card (weight 20), then add a delete action. Then do an equity simulation.

You will see that when the SB raises they have greater than top pair top kicker 35% of the time and high card 65%.

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Old 02-23-2009, 03:29 AM   #565
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after reading this post i've come up with this way but i'm not sure how good it is, maybe scylla or stox ev experts can tell if it's good or not.


estimate your equity when they call and instead of checking down, assign a weight for you to bet all hands and them to fold all hands. in the picture i gave the button 55% equity. can you guys tell me what you think of this?
I dont think that would be very accurate, but I could be wrong. It seems like ur method would have me doing things like checking back AA or a set x% of the time as well as air, when I pretty much never want to check back strong hands

Many times I have actually gone through the whole game tree for every action, and manually put in postflop ranges, but its very easy to make mistakes because the game tree gets enormous, and especially on the turn and river you have to account for different board textures, i.e. Id bet top two on a board without a 4 flush and without a straight possible, but check them on a 4 flush, etc.

I think Ive gotten better at estimating checkdown %s that are close to accurate, the only problem is while it estimates the overall ev of my range pretty well, it will be dramatically different on a hand by hand basis

For example say I am modeling a HU game where I want to see if its profitable against my opponents strategy to open 100% of hands. If when the BB flat calls my preflop raise, I set the checkdown to say 125% of SB(mine) equity, then that may be accurate for say AJo, and maybe for my overall range on average, but not for hands like 72o, where I will likely be realizing less than 100% of my equity when called, and hands like AA will likely be realizing much more than 125% of their pot equity when called

Hopefully I explained that right. IM fairly satisfied with what I have come up with so far, but if anybody has any other ideas on how to address these problems Id love to hear them



scylla: the graph feature is amazing. Im just getting into that, the ability to set variables and basically solve for where their ev is maximized is awesome. Any plans to increase the number of variables you can graph at once, or to increase the complexity of the graph feature?

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Old 02-23-2009, 03:49 AM   #566
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I don't think that's correct. Your expression says he raises 20% of the time when he has at most high card.

I want to say, given he has raised, 20% of the raises will be made up of at most high card.

here is a quick example to illustrate this not working

SB vs BB Heads-up, start analysis on the flop. Give SB and BB a random range. BB bets $1, SB raises to $2 greater than top pair top kicker (weight 100) and at most high card (weight 20), then add a delete action. Then do an equity simulation.

You will see that when the SB raises they have greater than top pair top kicker 35% of the time and high card 65%.


am i getting closer?

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Old 02-23-2009, 04:46 AM   #567
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powers that be, what you need to do is put in the condition that he check raises atleast top pair, and highcards. Set both weights at 100%. Then from there adjust the weight of his highcards until you get the right ratio of >TP to air

Imo a more realistic model however is to set ur conditons for made hands, whatever they may be, and then have villian check raise certain highcard hands like flushdraws without pairs, straightdraws, gutters, etc and play around with that instead of having him just check raise some % of his air hands that ay or may not have equity

That just makes more sense to me because in real play villains checkraise gutters more often than 8 high for example
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powers that be, what you need to do is put in the condition that he check raises atleast top pair, and highcards. Set both weights at 100%. Then from there adjust the weight of his highcards until you get the right ratio of >TP to air

Imo a more realistic model however is to set ur conditons for made hands, whatever they may be, and then have villian check raise certain highcard hands like flushdraws without pairs, straightdraws, gutters, etc and play around with that instead of having him just check raise some % of his air hands that ay or may not have equity

That just makes more sense to me because in real play villains checkraise gutters more often than 8 high for example
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scylla, IM having some trouble with the program constantly freezing up and closing. It has just started today, but could be do to what IM trying to do

The game tree Im analyzing is very large, with very wide starting ranges. But right now I cant even add a condition without the program freezing, let alone do an ev run.

Any suggestions?


Edit: Actually I tried out some different problems, and it is freezing basically everytime no matter how complicated the game tree

I think it downloaded a new version today, that might be why it is messing up

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when the program stars and it asks if you want to restore the last hand, if I click no, the program freezes. I can easily get around by clicking yes, and then new hand.
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when the program stars and it asks if you want to restore the last hand, if I click no, the program freezes. I can easily get around by clicking yes, and then new hand.
my program downloaded a new version today, that no longer asks you if u want to restore the previous session. Instead it now has a space to click to restore the last session once the program loads

I think this new version is causing the program to fail and close however
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scylla, IM having some trouble with the program constantly freezing up and closing. It has just started today, but could be do to what IM trying to do

The game tree Im analyzing is very large, with very wide starting ranges. But right now I cant even add a condition without the program freezing, let alone do an ev run.

Any suggestions?


Edit: Actually I tried out some different problems, and it is freezing basically everytime no matter how complicated the game tree

I think it downloaded a new version today, that might be why it is messing up
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my program downloaded a new version today, that no longer asks you if u want to restore the previous session. Instead it now has a space to click to restore the last session once the program loads

I think this new version is causing the program to fail and close however
I know, there was a bug.
I changed the restore function in the startup screen from a dialog to a button and there was a bug in that.
I think that's what caused all the mayhem.
Corrected version is online and hopefully solves the problem.

Let me know if the problem persists.

If it does persist, please check if you have version 2.2.2.
Go to "help->about StoxEV"

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Old 02-24-2009, 08:17 PM   #573
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Hi scylla, I do have version 2.2.2 and it is still malfunctioning in the manner I described. I will try to redownload the new version and reinstall and see if that fixes it

yea still having the same problems after i uninstalled, and redownloaded and installed the latest version from stoxev.com

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Ok, try again.

No need to uninstall by the way. The bug is in the StoxEVmain.exe file and it will be automatically updated when the new version is detected online.

If it fails this time, please send me the save file at stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com.

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I think it is working now, thanks a lot
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