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04-07-2016 , 01:25 PM
can you please upload new link for the latest version.
somehow i am unable to download it, either from official website or those 4 links.
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04-07-2016 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. robot
can you please upload new link for the latest version.
somehow i am unable to download it, either from official website or those 4 links.
Ok, here is a link: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...v324_64bit.msi

Should it still not work for you, then please let me know and I'll provide an alternate download location.
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04-07-2016 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Ok, here is a link: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...v324_64bit.msi

Should it still not work for you, then please let me know and I'll provide an alternate download location.
still not working for me, its ultra slow for few minutes and then its fails - network failure.
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04-07-2016 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. robot
still not working for me, its ultra slow for few minutes and then its fails - network failure.
Ok, here is a link on a different server:

http://www.crevfiles.com/crev/CardRu...v324_64bit.msi
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04-08-2016 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Ok, here is a link on a different server:

http://www.crevfiles.com/crev/CardRu...v324_64bit.msi
thank you
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04-12-2016 , 06:55 AM
scylla, Give please link to version 3.2.1 32bit.
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04-12-2016 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pykmen
scylla, Give please link to version 3.2.1 32bit.
Here you go:

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...v321_32bit.msi

If you want another version, then just change the v321 part of the link.

Is there an issue with the current version that I should know of?
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04-12-2016 , 07:34 AM
is preflop solver something CREV will have any time soon?
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04-12-2016 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Here you go:

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...v321_32bit.msi

If you want another version, then just change the v321 part of the link.

Is there an issue with the current version that I should know of?
some inconvenience... .

1. It shows no interest when using the functions of Max exploit River. shows when you press F5. uncomfortably.
2. by adding 1p / 2p,etc. after the line Max exploit, Max exploit = ​​100 % when you press F5 .

p/s sorry for my English
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04-13-2016 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
is preflop solver something CREV will have any time soon?
I'm sorry, but development plans are not something that I discuss.
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04-13-2016 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pykmen
some inconvenience... .

1. It shows no interest when using the functions of Max exploit River. shows when you press F5. uncomfortably.
2. by adding 1p / 2p,etc. after the line Max exploit, Max exploit = ​​100 % when you press F5 .

p/s sorry for my English
I don't really understand. Can you send a savefile to support where you feel that the results are different between v321 and v324?
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04-15-2016 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
You can just enter 0 and run the solver until you feel the dEV is low enough. For preflop trees the solver should converge to within a tiny fraction of a cent within a few seconds. For example, if the dEV is 0.001, then this means that neither player can improve on the equilibrium by more than a tenth of a cent, even if they were to play optimally. This should be plenty of accuracy.




Once you reach the flop you can use a checkdown to finish the hand.
To truly get equilibrium solutions for preflop you need to have the entire strategy mapped out on every flop/turn/river. This is why on other solvers like pio Preflop solutions take the longest to calculate and often take so much memory you have to run them on a cloud. They even abstract to 25-180 some flops rather than the full 1000+.

how can the cardrunners EV do preflop equilibrium solutions so quickly? It just assumes checkdown postflop? this will not be accurate enough.

BTW I just bought cardrunners ev a few days ago and it is great software but I have doubts on the equilibrium solver. How would you compare it to the leading solvers like PIO?
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04-15-2016 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
CardRunnersEV is, and has always been, all-round software that's written to be applied to be as flexible as possible. You can enter any tree that you like and see how it performs EV-wise. It can be used both for cash games and tournaments, heads-up and multiway in pretty much any spot, as well as offering a wide array of additional tools and features. The newly added solver feature is simply a new feature, which is particulary helpful in letting users finish up their trees, as well as for checking leaks. That being said, I have no intent of turning CardRunnersEV into an equilibrium solver, it will just be one of its many features.
ok cool this posts actually answers quite a bit of my last post.

I guess the remaining question is how does the eq solver work out preflop? Is it faster because we input a lot of the variables ourself as the user? Does it use checkdown postflop? I could probably play with it a bit more and figure some of this out for myself (I have watched the videos too) but maybe you could give a brief explanation.
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04-16-2016 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tenderloinig
ok cool this posts actually answers quite a bit of my last post.

I guess the remaining question is how does the eq solver work out preflop? Is it faster because we input a lot of the variables ourself as the user? Does it use checkdown postflop? I could probably play with it a bit more and figure some of this out for myself (I have watched the videos too) but maybe you could give a brief explanation.
The preflop solver is the first solver I wrote in order to test the algorithm. It's not intended to be some kind of huge feature, although personally I like it a lot; it figures out optimal preflop play for whichever tree a user enters (including locks). The algorithm even works with rake and tournament hands with ICM conversions. Due to the open-ended nature of this software there is of course the possibility that a user enters a tree that reaches the flop. Given that I want to offer users at least something in such a spot I offer the option to check down at that point. The solver also allows for these checkdowns to be customized with custom equities in order to realize, for example, a positional (dis)advantage.
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04-21-2016 , 04:29 PM
When I try to load CREV my whole computer freezes at the UAC screen and there's no way for me to escape this freeze without hitting the power button which will unfreeze it and I get this error message
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04-22-2016 , 01:36 AM
It would be really useful if you could add multiple bet sizes to the subtree wizard.
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04-22-2016 , 03:41 AM
Also maybe add some basic strategic options like to allow/prohibit donk betting & check raising.

It's really tedious to do it right now because you have to build the tree manually if you want to compare any of this stuff.
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04-22-2016 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by di0d80
When I try to load CREV my whole computer freezes at the UAC screen and there's no way for me to escape this freeze without hitting the power button which will unfreeze it and I get this error message
This is the first time that I've ever heard of this issue, so I don't have a standard answer here.
Can you try uninstalling and reinstalling to a different directory?
There's a pretty decent chance that a fresh reinstall will solve it.
Also, are you using the 32bit or the 64 bit version?
If the issue persists then we should check if possibly a different version does work for you.
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04-22-2016 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely
Also maybe add some basic strategic options like to allow/prohibit donk betting & check raising.

It's really tedious to do it right now because you have to build the tree manually if you want to compare any of this stuff.
If you use the wizard to build your tree then donk bets and check-raises will all be present in the tree. If you don't want a certain line in there then you can just delete it (left-click an action to select it and press DEL on your keyboard).
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04-26-2016 , 01:26 AM
I bought CREV yesterday and used it with no problems until today. I get this message everytime I try to load the program. What could be the problem?
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04-26-2016 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by oigres02
I bought CREV yesterday and used it with no problems until today. I get this message everytime I try to load the program. What could be the problem?
This is because the software apparently can't access the internet to check its license. To fix this, sets an exception in your virus scanner. I will actually change that message so that this is more clear. Other than that, you appear to still be in trial mode. Should you have trouble registering the software, then please mail support.
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04-26-2016 , 12:16 PM
Clicking the equalibrium icon in the new update makes crev shut down. Altough i never tried it in the old update fwiw. It fires a console beep and then shuts down. No error.

Its a preflop only mrr shove game:

[CardRunnersEV v3.2.5]
[This text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into CardRunnersEV]
[www.cardrunnersev.com]
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04-26-2016 , 12:33 PM
Hi:
Im pretty noob in CREV . In the part of custom checkdown percentage ¿I should put the % of any individual hand of my range? ¿I should put the % of equity that going to realize like this http://prntscr.com/ax4ek3? . In the tree when ends to put the custom checkdowns and run the simulation appears two ranges. One pre http://prntscr.com/ax4ff0 and other postflop http://prntscr.com/ax4ftl ¿what is the difference?

thanks
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04-26-2016 , 03:49 PM
My bug was because i forgot to put in tournament prizes.
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04-27-2016 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SANTACE
Hi:
Im pretty noob in CREV . In the part of custom checkdown percentage ¿I should put the % of any individual hand of my range? ¿I should put the % of equity that going to realize like this http://prntscr.com/ax4ek3? . In the tree when ends to put the custom checkdowns and run the simulation appears two ranges. One pre http://prntscr.com/ax4ff0 and other postflop http://prntscr.com/ax4ftl ¿what is the difference?

thanks
In the checkdown menu you can set a checkdown percentage of, for example, 90%. Next to that you can select what you want this percentage to mean. If you select "the pot", then SB will receive 90% equity of the pot for all of his hands (so if the pot is $10 then SB will win $9 and BB will win the remaining $1). If you select "his equity" then if, for example, a hand has an equity of 50% this will be changed to 90%*50%=45%.

In the custom menu (the 'C' button) you can set custom percentages for hands, just like you have done in your screenshot. There's no need to enter all hands here though. If you leave hands out then they will be assigned the default percentage that was entered in the checkdown dialog (so 90% in the screenshot above).



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Originally Posted by SANTACE
In the tree when ends to put the custom checkdowns and run the simulation appears two ranges. One pre http://prntscr.com/ax4ff0 and other postflop http://prntscr.com/ax4ftl ¿what is the difference?
The pre popup is the EVs for the call. The post popup is the EV of the postflop checkdown. These popups are related though. Take a look at the postflop popup and pick any hand, for example JTs, which has an EV of 0.68.

If you look at the same JTs preflop you will notice that its EV is -0.32. This is because in the preflop spot BB is faced with the option to call a $1 bet. So he needs to invest $1 with JTs in order to get to the postflop spot where he makes $0.68. If you invest $1 in order to get into a spot where you make $0.68 then you lose $0.32. So this call is not a wise one to make. You should fold here instead.

For what it's worth, if you want to know how hands should be played ideally then one option would be to use the equilibrium solver to figure out optimal play for both opponents. You can also lock actions for a player so that in those spots the range that you entered yourself is used. For more on the solver, please watch the videos here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/equilibrium.html. The solver also works with rake and in tournament spots.
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