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A few words about turn and river equilibrium calculation. For players it would be much useful if you could implement "cascade calculation". Players don't know which card will appear on turn and river therefore software should calculate flop eq. then locks all ranges on flop and calculate turn, again locks all action on turn and calculate river This kind of calculating is by far closer to the real taking decision process. Of course players could do it by themselves but it would be great to have "cascade calculating" button or smth like it.

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02-15-2016 , 05:25 AM

#5127

scylla

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Originally Posted by voy@ger

When you have a flop tree that's in an equilibrium then all of its subtrees on the turn and river will already be in an equilibrium. So re-running it for every turn/river combination will just yield the same result.

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02-15-2016 , 07:11 AM

#5128

voy@ger

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Known river

Spoiler:

Unknow turn and river

Spoiler:

Is the difference btw them due to accuracy?

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02-15-2016 , 10:32 AM

#5129

scylla

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Originally Posted by voy@ger

Known river

Spoiler:

Unknow turn and river

Spoiler:

Is the difference btw them due to accuracy?

I would need to see a savefile, but I suspect so, yes.

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02-15-2016 , 10:53 AM

#5130

voy@ger

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File contains solver data. Can not be exported. ((

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02-15-2016 , 05:22 PM

#5131

scylla

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Originally Posted by voy@ger

File contains solver data. Can not be exported. ((

Ok, well the numbers look pretty much the same to me.

For what it's worth, the number you should really be looking at is the EV for the OOP player's first decision. Other numbers such as frequencies will take longer to converge, so you will see small differences there. However, the EV for the first decision will always converge very quickly.

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02-15-2016 , 08:17 PM

#5132

Jakeeck

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I'm a little confused on how to properly apply how + or -EV a given decision is

For example..

This says my equity of betting the flop is 55.2% and a +EV of 3.18, but that's only if I'm going to see both the turn and the river.

Is this offset by the fact that his equity is also dependent on seeing both the turn and river?

I guess I'm just a little confused on how this factors in because in-game when I have a flush draw on the flop I know I've got about 36% equity to hit if I see both the turn and river, but only only 18% for the turn, so I have to make my decision accordingly.

If what I'm saying doesn't make any sense, I guess my ultimate question is this... If the program says a decision is +EV is that always going to be true? Even if I end up not seeing the river?

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02-16-2016 , 04:35 AM

#5133

scylla

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Originally Posted by Jakeeck

I'm a little confused on how to properly apply how + or -EV a given decision is

For example..

I think it will be a bit easier for me to answer your question if I could see the savefile.
Could you mail it to support please?

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02-16-2016 , 12:46 PM

#5134

4-Star General

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Hi, I'm going to purchase a laptop from a friend of mine. He is a owner of a Flopzilla license (that want to keep for him, for his new laptop and his dektop pc). I'm the owner of a CREV license instead and I'd like to know whether I'm going to encounter any problems when I request the second licence for the my friend's laptop...

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02-16-2016 , 05:35 PM

#5135

scylla

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Originally Posted by 4-Star General

Hi 4-Star General,

There shouldn't be any issues in this.
However, should you need any help then please just contact support and the issue will be taken care of.

Cheers,

Scylla

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02-18-2016 , 01:56 PM

#5136

voy@ger

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Scylla, I experimented also with unknown river. Turn results with unknown and unknown river is seemed to me huge:
unknown

known

I'll try to remove equilibrium ranges and send you file

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02-18-2016 , 02:10 PM

#5137

voy@ger

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Here text block(interesting in BB cbet flop and turn):

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Hi,

The text block doesn't seem to work for me. You appear to have used "File->Export program settings to text block" instead of "File->Export savefile as forum/e-mail text block".

Can you just mail the savefile to support please?

Also, which turn/river were you looking at?
I'll need to know which action/decision to look at as well (when sending the savefile please include a screenshot).

Scylla

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02-22-2016 , 01:48 PM

#5139

D1sa

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 114

hey,
so we have crev on a new notebook (i7, 32gb RAM) and it works slower than on our friend's PC which has a lot less RAM (around 12 or 16).

We were trying to calculate the exact same spot at the same time using teamviewer.

Maybe there are some tweaks we can use to improve our calculation speed?

thank you in advance

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02-22-2016 , 05:22 PM

#5140

scylla

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Originally Posted by D1sa

The only factor that decides the processing speed is the speed of your CPU. You may also want to select the correct number of physical processors in your system under "Settings->Set number of threads for solver" to take advantage of multi-threading.

The amount of RAM is unrelated to processing speed.
It only influences the maximum size of the tree that can fit into memory.

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02-22-2016 , 06:08 PM

#5141

D1sa

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 114

I see, we couldn't find it because we were using the older 3.0.8 version, haha. Thank you for such a quick and detalied response!

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02-24-2016 , 11:46 AM

#5142

eagleeye666

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13

Can I run a equilibrium tree w/ 2 different betsizes?

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02-25-2016 , 05:16 AM

#5143

scylla

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Originally Posted by eagleeye666

Can I run a equilibrium tree w/ 2 different betsizes?

The solver itself should be able to deal with it, however, it hasn't been added to the tree building wizard yet.

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02-25-2016 , 08:50 AM

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Razum

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10

Hi. When I created a tree with the help of a wizard and changed the amount of bet, next action "raise" instantly turns into a "call".
But when I click on it I see the size of the raise. What is wrong?
https://youtu.be/D-Rtor3mgs0

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02-25-2016 , 10:41 AM

#5145

scylla

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Originally Posted by Razum

In the first setup the sequence is: Bet 1.11, Raise 2.22, Raise 3.33.

In the second it's Bet 4.88, Raise 2.22, Raise 3.33

Given that you can't raise to 2.22 if the current bet is already 4.88 the software has no possible correct response to what you're asking it to do. The best it can do is change the raise to a call. However, there's no possible correct way for it to deal with this situation, given that you're asking it to do something that's not possible.

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02-25-2016 , 11:56 AM

#5146

Razum

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10

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Originally Posted by scylla

tx. When I have clicked to "call" and changed amount to correct one action returned to "raise"

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03-01-2016 , 02:32 AM

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flysohightosky

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Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 161

Windows smartscreen is preventing me from installing the latest version (never happened before). Is there any particular reason for that?

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03-01-2016 , 04:58 AM

#5148

scylla

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Originally Posted by flysohightosky

Windows smartscreen is preventing me from installing the latest version (never happened before). Is there any particular reason for that?

You can easily check the file for yourself on www.virustotal.com.
Right at this moment 0 out of 55 virus scanners considers it dangerous.

Here's a link to the latest virustotal analysis:
https://www.virustotal.com/nl/file/a...is/1456821844/

So, no, there's nothing wrong with the download.

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03-04-2016 , 11:32 AM

#5149

ventrex

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1

Hello, to a file CardRunnersEVv321_32bit.msi curdrunnersEV_T.exe and curdrunnersEV_C.exe detected virus. Used antivirus Avast (google)
Can I use this file to work safely?

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03-04-2016 , 12:08 PM

#5150

scylla

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Originally Posted by ventrex

Hello, to a file CardRunnersEVv321_32bit.msi curdrunnersEV_T.exe and curdrunnersEV_C.exe detected virus. Used antivirus Avast (google)
Can I use this file to work safely?

The file is perfectly safe.

I have checked the file on www.virustotal.com and out of 53 virus scanners Avast seems to be the only one that thinks that there's a virus.

Here is a link to the report:
https://www.virustotal.com/nl/file/0...is/1457107434/

You can of course also upload for yourself.

I will see if Avast offers a method for reporting false positives (most virus scanners offer this) so that they can re-evaluate the file.

Thank you for pointing this out.

Cheers,

Scylla

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