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Well each branch represents a sequence of actions.
With the sum of each branch frequency = 100%.

So for example in a HU hand, if Flop 1st to act bets 50% of the time and the last to act calls 60% of the time and folds 40% of the time, i'd like to be able to find each sequence frequency, which in this example are :

OOPbets_IPFolds = 20% (50%*40%)
OOPbets_IPcalls = 30% (50%*60%)

and if these same betting patterns apply on the turn too, then :

OOPbets_IPFolds = 20% (50%*40%)
OOPbets_IPcalls+OOPchecks = 15% (50%*60%*50)
OOPbets_IPcalls+OOPbets_IPFolds = 6% (50%*60%*50*40)
OOPbets_IPcalls+OOPbets_IPcalls = 9% (50%*60%*50*60)

etc... for each branch, taking into account each action's frequency from flop to showdown.

This would help me identify the most frequent scenarios.

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11-17-2015 , 09:53 AM

#4927

poker-hero

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...and for each branch I'd also like to find how many EV bb Hero wins/loses

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11-17-2015 , 10:22 AM

#4928

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

Ok, for this press F9 to toggle to "Absolute" mode.
Or click on the blue "Relative" button in the upper left of the interface.

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11-17-2015 , 11:20 AM

#4929

poker-hero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

Ok, for this press F9 to toggle to "Absolute" mode.
Or click on the blue "Relative" button in the upper left of the interface.

yes, ty!

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11-17-2015 , 11:21 AM

#4930

poker-hero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

...and for each branch I'd also like to find how many EV bb Hero wins/loses

and this?

(sry if I am dumb)

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11-17-2015 , 11:25 AM

#4931

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

and this?

(sry if I am dumb)

When you toggle to absolute mode the absolute money is shown where usually the EV is displayed. If I'm not mistaken that's what you were asking for?

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11-17-2015 , 11:35 AM

#4932

poker-hero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

When you toggle to absolute mode the absolute money is shown where usually the EV is displayed. If I'm not mistaken that's what you were asking for?

yes, that's what I am looking for.

after "$:", right?
the unit is in bb?

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11-17-2015 , 11:42 AM

#4933

poker-hero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

When you toggle to absolute mode the absolute money is shown where usually the EV is displayed. If I'm not mistaken that's what you were asking for?

in fact, I am not sure this is what I look for, because if I look at a branch where there are bettings on flop and turn, but Hero folds on the river, this "$:" number is "0", whereas what I look for (i.e. Hero's actual winnings or loss in this branch) should be negative as Hero has lost the bets or calls he did on earlier streets.

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11-18-2015 , 05:28 AM

#4934

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

yes, that's what I am looking for.

after "$:", right?
the unit is in bb?

The unit is the absolute amount of money that is involved.
So if the EV is $1000, but this part of the tree is only reached 0.1% of the time then the number will read "$:1"

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11-18-2015 , 05:48 AM

#4935

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

No, such an output mode is not available. EV is really the only quantity to look when it comes to analysis. Knowing how much you won/lost since the start of the hand may be fun, but it will not help you in making the right decisions.

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11-18-2015 , 03:14 PM

#4936

HappyLuckBox

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Im a live player that mostly uses pokercruncher (stove) for iphone.

Im looking to take my game to the next level, would you recommend flopzilla or crev?
From what i can tell pokercruncher already does most of the functions flopzilla does so im leaning towards crev

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11-19-2015 , 05:25 AM

#4937

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox

Im looking to take my game to the next level, would you recommend flopzilla or crev?

Both programs offer trial modes.
It's probably best if you make use of those to see if they offer anything you like.
Without knowing too much about you I can't really offer advice beyond that.

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11-19-2015 , 03:35 PM

#4938

Blunderer

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There are quite some cross overs with poker cruncher - but flopzilla has quite a few extra features in it (better view of which parts of the range hit the board, ability to filter). Plus is more user friendly ( quicker to load preset hands, easier to edit ranges) - it's a great tool

CREV requires more work and thought, but also comes extremely highly recommended, plus as you can see from this thread has great support.

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11-20-2015 , 06:43 AM

#4939

poker-hero

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I don't understand one CREV calculation.

Here is the spot :
-BTN opens AdKc
-BB defends a wide range (BB calls)
-Flop : Ac7s6s
-Flop goes XX
-Turn cards : unknown

I am studying BTN's reaction vs BB's XR on turn.

Here is what I have set as :
-Folding range vs XR : <=tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr.
-Calling range vs XR : all hands

CREV calculates :
-Folding range : 91.3%
-Calling range : 8.66%

Question 1 : "<=tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr. " means "all hands which is not at least a made hand up to top pair kicker above middle card OR is a flush draw OR is a straight draw, right?

Question 2 : I hold TPTK on flop so it can't be weaker than "top pair kicker above middle card" on turn, so why should it be in the folding range?

Question 3 : my Preflop range is just 1 combo (AdKc) so how could there be 91.3% of this and 8.66% of that, given that I didn't use weights?

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11-20-2015 , 07:08 AM

#4940

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

Could you send a savefile to support please?

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11-20-2015 , 07:23 AM

#4941

poker-hero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

Could you send a savefile to support please?

sorry I could not find how to attach a file in 2+2.
Here is a picture of my tree :

http://s12.postimg. org/4jtoe1br1/2_2_CREV.jpg

(delete the " " ; for some reasons 2+2 doesn't let me paste the full link...)

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11-20-2015 , 07:56 AM

#4942

scylla

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Ok, I actually need a savefile and not a screenshot, but I'll do my best from what I can see from it. I might get details wrong because I can't see exactly from a screenshot what the conditions are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

Question 1 : "<=tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr. " means "all hands which is not at least a made hand up to top pair kicker above middle card OR is a flush draw OR is a straight draw, right?

It means "At most top pair AND no flushdraw AND no straight draw".
If you want OR then you need to enter them as separate conditions.
See below for a simple example:

Code:

[CardRunnersEV v3.1.6]
[This text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into CardRunnersEV]
[www.cardrunnersev.com]
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[VL?Nu8o!B$JwEP6vICxMYAteW$-W2v2JXPgYPgq?Rj+Ic6SZKq+02A0#G?rpXvH?exi9WG]
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[bCtxnk5rLLg@xOGH]

To add a condition to the list in the postflop condition editor press SPACE or click on "Add new condition to list".

For more on this watch the videos "The postflop condition editor" and "How actions+conditions are processed" in the section "The basics" under "Help->Video manual".

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Originally Posted by poker-hero

Question 2 : I hold TPTK on flop so it can't be weaker than "top pair kicker above middle card" on turn, so why should it be in the folding range?

It doesn't mean "weaker", it means equal to or weaker.
After all it says <=.
You always hold top pair+top kicker.
The only way I see for <=tp,mc to be false is if the turn is an A or K, which would make your hand stronger than top pair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

Question 3 : my Preflop range is just 1 combo (AdKc) so how could there be 91.3% of this and 8.66% of that, given that I didn't use weights?

Which action is taken will depend on what the turn is.
If it's an A or K then you will hold more than tp and you will call.
In all other cases you will fold.

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11-20-2015 , 08:20 AM

#4943

poker-hero

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thank you for your help

Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

It means "At most top pair AND no flushdraw AND no straight draw".

Is "<=tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr. " the right setting if I want to set that BTN only calls with :
-either made hands > top pair kicker above middle card
-or str8 draws
-or flush draws
?

Or should I separate the folding conditions?
Or should I proceed in another way?

Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

Which action is taken will depend on what the turn is.
If it's an A or K then you will hold more than tp and you will call.
In all other cases you will fold.

yes OK, given that we don't know the turn, I understand why theoretically, there could be a split decision on the turn depending on the turn card.
BUT in this spot, I can't see any fold scenario for this reason :

Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

Given the settings, any hand stronger than "tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr." will be a call.
How can TPTK on Flop can not be stronger than "tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr.", whatever the turn card? It will always at least be TPTK which is stronger than "tp,mc"?

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11-20-2015 , 08:24 AM

#4944

scylla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

thank you for your help

Is "<=tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr. " the right setting if I want to set that BTN only calls with :
-either made hands > top pair kicker above middle card
-or str8 draws
-or flush draws
?

Or should I separate the folding conditions?
Or should I proceed in another way?

yes OK, given that we don't know the turn, I understand why theoretically, there could be a split decision on the turn depending on the turn card.
BUT in this spot, I can't see any fold scenario for this reason :

Given the settings, any hand stronger than "tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr." will be a call.
How can TPTK on Flop can not be stronger than "tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr.", whatever the turn card? It will always at least be TPTK which is stronger than "tp,mc"?

Could you please mail a savefile to support?
It will make it a lot easier to answer your questions.

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11-20-2015 , 08:36 AM

#4945

poker-hero

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Code:

[CardRunnersEV v3.1.6]
[This text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into CardRunnersEV]
[www.cardrunnersev.com]
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I think it works like this.

1. Is "<=tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr. " the right setting if I want to set that BTN only calls with :
-either made hands > top pair kicker above middle card
-or str8 draws
-or flush draws
?

Or should I separate the folding conditions?
Or should I proceed in another way?

2. Given the settings, any hand stronger than "tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr." will be a call.
How can TPTK on Flop can not be stronger than "tp,mc+no fd+no str.dr.", whatever the turn card? It will always at least be TPTK which is stronger than "tp,mc"?

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11-20-2015 , 08:57 AM

#4946

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

Code:

[CardRunnersEV v3.1.6]
[This text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into CardRunnersEV]
[www.cardrunnersev.com]
[7Ss@by9r$wlrZjdtLP1SAw##hgaYI45Jipq?MKo1?.-DHtQ8$vg#L.Lt8ITzU+F3yr6Zen]
[.gK=A_*(9jMeb)scr=5see_*ad?+vZj3&=eK*Ns$CliQLVqzQnUfxd7??fCP9vbACo_M4.]
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I think you'll make it a lot easier for yourself if you put the call on top and fold all other hands.
In that way it's a lot more intuitive, given that you're actually doing what in the tree what you would describe in normal words, namely call 2 pair or better (which is what > top pair top kicker comes down to here) OR any flushdraw OR any straight draw.

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#4947

poker-hero

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 382

Hi Scylla,

thank you for your answers.
I have changed the conditions as you suggested and the results are totally different now.

I am still trying to understand why some results are not the ones I expected and I have a question :

Let's say a hand happens, with the same action on each street, which is : "Hero bets / Villain calls" (pre, flop, turn, river).
Does the EV of the whole hand equal to the sum of the EV of each street?

In other words :
EV (of Hero bet-bet-bet-bet) = EV (of Hero bet preflop) + EV (of Hero bet on flop) + EV (of Hero bet on turn) + EV (of Hero bet on river)

?

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11-21-2015 , 01:24 PM

#4948

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker-hero

No, it's actually more straightforward than that. The EV for the whole hand is simply the EV for the first decision you're looking at. For example, see the pic below:

There SB bets with the intent of pushing with >=tp or a flushdraw in case BB 3bets. The EV for SB for this entire hand is simply the EV for his first decision, which is 12.77. This EV includes every scenario that happens after it in the tree.

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11-23-2015 , 01:49 AM

#4949

IPlayNLHE

adept

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 889

Would this program be helpful for anonymous player pools or do you need strong reads on play? Like 500 hands+

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11-23-2015 , 04:58 AM

#4950

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPlayNLHE

Would this program be helpful for anonymous player pools or do you need strong reads on play? Like 500 hands+

Well, the more reads the better of course. However, you can just create a tree and enter actions as far as you have reads. Then lock those actions and let the equilibrium solver fill in optimal play for the remaining parts of the tree. This would of course assume that the anonymous player plays optimally, but that's as far as I can help you if you have no reads.

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