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Old 10-11-2008, 05:15 PM   #451
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

One more quick question:

I was running a situation with button vs BB and the final EV for $5/$10 blinds was button=$15.45 and BB= -$2.40.

For BB does this include the $10 blind he posted? So, would the actual EV of his strategy be $7.60?
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:21 PM   #452
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One more quick question:

I was running a situation with button vs BB and the final EV for $5/$10 blinds was button=$15.45 and BB= -$2.40.

For BB does this include the $10 blind he posted? So, would the actual EV of his strategy be $7.60?
The BB's strategy of -$2.40 is calculated AFTER he's posted his blind. The blind is considered as belonging to the pot and not to him.

Therefore on average he looses $12.40 in this hand compared to his stack before posting.
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:22 PM   #453
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That makes sense. Thanks.
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:24 PM   #454
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That makes sense. Thanks.
Ok, and once again, please mail me that savefile. I want to know what we're talking about here when you say EV is not calculated.

By the way, are you running the StoxEVmain.exe file as admin (asuming you use Vista of course)? If not, try if it works if you do so. You'll need to manually set it (it's not the same as the StoxEV.exe file, so you need to go to the program directory for this).
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:11 PM   #455
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Ok, and once again, please mail me that savefile. I want to know what we're talking about here when you say EV is not calculated.

By the way, are you running the StoxEVmain.exe file as admin (asuming you use Vista of course)? If not, try if it works if you do so. You'll need to manually set it (it's not the same as the StoxEV.exe file, so you need to go to the program directory for this).
Ok I manually went to the StoxEVmain like you said then right click "run as administrator," then reopened the tree I was working on, rechecked "use speedup", pressed F7 and didn't work. But once again, if I uncheck it then works fine.

Can you explain to me how to email you the save file?
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:16 PM   #456
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Ok I manually went to the StoxEVmain like you said then right click "run as administrator," then reopened the tree I was working on, rechecked "use speedup", pressed F7 and didn't work. But once again, if I uncheck it then works fine.

Can you explain to me how to email you the save file?
Just save the file to some location on your harddrive and mail it to me at stoxpoker_ev@hotmail.com.
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:25 PM   #457
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Ah, thx for the savefile.

I see the problem.

Press F9 to toggle to EV.

There seems to be a problem with absolute mode ...
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:28 PM   #458
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Ok, I just updated the ICM tool and removed the old F11 tool.

I'll post the update somewhere around half this month.
Cool. If there is an update, any ICM-calculated equities should be displayed to 4 places. I think it's up to the MTT people to know when an estimated equity isn't that precise.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:27 PM   #459
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Cool. If there is an update, any ICM-calculated equities should be displayed to 4 places. I think it's up to the MTT people to know when an estimated equity isn't that precise.
So ... 39.38 would be enough then ... right?

I've done my fair share of manual ICM calculations and I can't imagine needing more accuracy than that.

The main problem with the F11 tool was the truncation error. The ICM tool properly truncates.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:47 PM   #460
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So ... 39.38 would be enough then ... right?
Yes. That is fine.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:19 PM   #461
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scylla

Great software!

I'm sure it's simple, but i don't get how to use the weighting feature in the holecard ranges. For instance, v simplified esample, how would I set a holecard range to:

40% AA
40% KK
20% 98s

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Old 11-02-2008, 10:28 PM   #462
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scylla

Great software!

I'm sure it's simple, but i don't get how to use the weighting feature in the holecard ranges. For instance, v simplified esample, how would I set a holecard range to:

40% AA
40% KK
20% 98s

Thank you
You can set it in the preflop menu under the weight button. It's the circled button in the pic below:


In a decision tree a weighted condition will look like this:


To learn how to properly use StoxEV I recommend watching the video manual. Takes about an hour to watch.
To do this, go to www.stoxpoker.com/videos and search for
- Coach name: Guest pro
- Key concepts: EV

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Old 11-20-2008, 04:20 PM   #463
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I would just like to thank you for this great software and for all the effort you put into it.
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Old 11-21-2008, 04:54 AM   #464
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I would just like to thank you for this great software and for all the effort you put into it.
I think the best way of thanking him would be to make a donation, as I am about to do now.
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:55 AM   #465
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Cheers! I got the following warning:
SecureWeb-Gateway 6.7.6 2008.11.24 Heuristic.Malware

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Old 11-24-2008, 08:59 AM   #466
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Cheers! I got the following warning:
SecureWeb-Gateway 6.7.6 2008.11.24 Heuristic.Malware

Is this the first time you've used StoxEV.
If not, I asume you didn't have problems in earlier versions?

Do you get the error for the startup screen or when the actual program starts?
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:08 AM   #467
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Is this the first time you've used StoxEV.
If not, I asume you didn't have problems in earlier versions?

Do you get the error for the startup screen or when the actual program starts?
I just checked the stoxev216.msi file on my desktop with http://www.virustotal.com/.
Haven't started anything yet.
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:12 AM   #468
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I just checked the stoxev216.msi file on my desktop.
Haven't started anything yet.
I see, that's a bit different then.
Try the following.
I'm releasing an update in the next 24h.
I'll also post a zipped version of the files on the website for you.
Try stoxev217.msi first to see if the error was just a fluke.
If not, try the patch and let me know if there's any problems.
Once you've succesfully got StoxEV working and always use the StoxEV.exe file to start up the program you shouldn't have any more problems since from that point on any updates will be automatically downloaded.

If your concern is merely that you're worried about some sort of virus being located in the program, I can assure you there's nothing in the remotest sense like that in StoxEV.
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:17 AM   #469
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I see, that's a bit different then.
Try the following.
I'm releasing an update in the next 24h.
I'll also post a zipped version of the files on the website for you.
Try stoxev217.msi first to see if the error was just a fluke.
If not, try the patch and let me know if there's any problems.
Once you've succesfully got StoxEV working and always use the StoxEV.exe file to start up the program you shouldn't have any more problems since from that point on any updates will be automatically downloaded.
Thanks scylla. I'll check it out later.
Since it was 1 out of 36 at virustotal.com it was probably a fluke.

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Old 11-30-2008, 12:29 PM   #470
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Re: ***Stoxpoker EV calculator 2.1.4 released***

Last time i used StoxEV (which was awhile ago so this may be solved) i had a problem when i upgraded. It didn't/doesn't carry over the custom ranges that i saved. Meaning every time a new version comes out i have to reenter and save my custom ranges all over again, and i had a bunch. Is there anyway for me to manually backup my custom ranges or perhaps you could make it so StoxEV doesn't erase that information when upgrading. Thanks.

Oh, and same thing goes for saved postflop conditions to.

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Old 11-30-2008, 02:20 PM   #471
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Last time i used StoxEV (which was awhile ago so this may be solved) i had a problem when i upgraded. It didn't/doesn't carry over the custom ranges that i saved. Meaning every time a new version comes out i have to reenter and save my custom ranges all over again, and i had a bunch. Is there anyway for me to manually backup my custom ranges or perhaps you could make it so StoxEV doesn't erase that information when upgrading. Thanks.

Oh, and same thing goes for saved postflop conditions to.
Since version 2.1.5 StoxEV automatically upgrades upon startup and leaves all your custom files intact.

If for some reason the automatic upgrade fails you can go to www.stoxev.com, go to "latest version" and download and install the patch. The patch will not overwrite your custom files.
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:17 AM   #472
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I was just playing around with the relatively new feature of unexploitable pushing range/optimal calling range and found what I would consider to be a strange result. If you are in the SB vs BB preflop 30BB deep and decide you just want to shove all in or fold, it is unexploitable to have 76s as part of your range? Can anyone else put some context to this result - I find it very hard to believe.
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:40 AM   #473
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I was just playing around with the relatively new feature of unexploitable pushing range/optimal calling range and found what I would consider to be a strange result. If you are in the SB vs BB preflop 30BB deep and decide you just want to shove all in or fold, it is unexploitable to have 76s as part of your range? Can anyone else put some context to this result - I find it very hard to believe.
Part of your range is value, part of it is blufs.
BB will choose his calling range as the optimal one versus your pushing range.
The blufs in your range will widen BB's calling range, which will again add value to your strong hands.
It's all a tough balancing act and it appears 76s is part of it.

The reason why 76s is one of the pushing hands is most likely because as a bluffing hand it performs reasonably well against overpairs and high cards, giving it at least some equity when called.

If you feel that you can come up with a solution that is significantly better than the one found by StoxEV, give it a try.
Step 1: Select the sb's range for pushing as you see fit.
Step 2: Set BB's call range to all hands and his fold range to all hands
Step 3: Perform the EV run with F7
Step 4: Hover over BB's call range and press Alt+D to remove all -EV hands, giving BB an optimal calling range
Step 5: Recompute with F7

It's possible to come up with solutions that are very very slightly better than the one found by StoxEV, but I've never found anything that performs noticably better.
Also, given the way the algorithm works, I don't see how it could ever be possible for a significantly better solution to exist.

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Old 12-01-2008, 10:25 AM   #474
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Yeah, see MOP and Andy's chapter in the FT book, 76s is good for a jam up to 35-36bbs.

scylla, would it be difficult to allow for mixed strategies when calculating unexploitable pushing?
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:01 AM   #475
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scylla, would it be difficult to allow for mixed strategies when calculating unexploitable pushing?
Simple question.

Here's your answer:
YES, that would be difficult.
I wouldn't know where to start.
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