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Old 02-21-2014, 06:04 AM   #3751
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Another thing that would be awesome is to have categories and sub-categories..

for example. I want to have my 1K NL ranges slightly different then my 200nl ranges. So I would make it like this:

1k NL
---- RFI
===== EP
===== MP
===== CO
===== BTN
===== SB
---- CC
---- 3B
---- c3B


200 NL
---- RFI
===== EP
===== MP
===== CO
===== BTN
===== SB
---- CC
---- 3B
---- c3B


And another cool feature would be to sync them with flopzilla and holdeq and visa versa.
I'll probably get to this around half 2014.
For what it's worth, Flopzilla and CardRunnersEV are already synced.
You can use text blocks to import/export predefined ranges between them.
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:05 AM   #3752
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Hey Scylla,

I was trying to make an output graph through a script showing which hands shoul I call vs a certain resteal. So I added data points showing the frequency:
Add data point (Frq(1),Frq(2))

The problem I find is that the only output scripts can make are % ones, not real hands. So I know I should call with 5% of hands in an example, but just donīt know which hands are these 5%.

Is it possible to include in a future update that? Something like adding a new column on the graph shown saying which hands are included in the column if it has a Get frequency operator.

Thanks in advance
You should probably use the "Store tree" and "Load tree" functions here.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:45 PM   #3753
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You should probably use the "Store tree" and "Load tree" functions here.
I understand, this definitely can help.

But for a more practical output result it would be awesome if in the future we could have for example a function like "Get Range (Location)" that yields the actual range (like KK+,AJs) from the location. That way we could create say a 2D graph table with for example one column with opponent bet % and the second column our 3b actual hands. Is it possible someway?
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:51 PM   #3754
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Hi scylla,

Any word on getting backdoor straight draw added in to the postflop conditions menu?
Last time I asked you several months ago I think you said you would think about it.
It can get very tedious having to do everything manually when a simple option would save a lot of time (as I am combining it with other options).
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Old 02-24-2014, 06:18 AM   #3755
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Hi scylla,

Any word on getting backdoor straight draw added in to the postflop conditions menu?
Last time I asked you several months ago I think you said you would think about it.
It can get very tedious having to do everything manually when a simple option would save a lot of time (as I am combining it with other options).
I expect to look into it next month.
It's not as simple as just adding a checkbox though.
On many boards just about any reasonable hand is a backdoor straight draw.
For example, even on A72 board any connected hand, any 5x4x3x2x hand, any non-pair broadway and many one-gap and two-gap or even 3-gap connectors are backdoor straight draws.
Without context it's an almost meaningless property.

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Old 02-24-2014, 07:13 AM   #3756
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Hey scylla,
There was a lot of suggestions lately. I believe some of those was implemented. Is there any update coming soon?

Thanks,
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:17 AM   #3757
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Hey scylla,
There was a lot of suggestions lately. I believe some of those was implemented. Is there any update coming soon?

Thanks,
I'm completing HoldEq this month (http://www.flopzilla.com/holdeq.html).
I'll continue work on CardRunnersEV in March.
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:31 AM   #3758
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I'm completing HoldEq this month (http://www.flopzilla.com/holdeq.html).
I'll continue work on CardRunnersEV in March.
wow man what a lovely surprise didn't even know! thx man you seriously are the best
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:32 AM   #3759
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this is like pokerstove or equilab type thing?
There's a description on the website: http://www.flopzilla.com/holdeq.html
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:47 PM   #3760
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Re: CardRunnersEV

Hey been looking everywhere but couldn't find it in the videos nor in the thread but suppose your using crev and you're setting some condition for the post flop menu and you are fine with what the program has chosen for your combinations (using post flop conditions) but you wanna take out lets say like Q8o, Q9o, K8o or something (cuz i put call with backdoors FD's but i don't want those to call) how could I specifically delete those hands from my calling range so they no longer appear in my post flop conditions call range and go into my fold range?
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:47 AM   #3761
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Hello scylla,

I have the habit of formatting my computer every 3 months or so and was wondering what happens to my purchased license in this case? I hope I don't have to buy another each time I do the format.

Thanks!
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:20 AM   #3762
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Hey been looking everywhere but couldn't find it in the videos nor in the thread but suppose your using crev and you're setting some condition for the post flop menu and you are fine with what the program has chosen for your combinations (using post flop conditions) but you wanna take out lets say like Q8o, Q9o, K8o or something (cuz i put call with backdoors FD's but i don't want those to call) how could I specifically delete those hands from my calling range so they no longer appear in my post flop conditions call range and go into my fold range?
You can exclude those hands from the calling range by:
1) Creating a condition for them
2) Putting that condition on the top of the action's list
3) Giving that condition a weight of 0%.

The condition will now have a weight of 0%, meaning that it does not appear in the range.

For a video on this, please see the video "Skip conditions" in the section "For intermediate users" in the video manual.
To get to the video manual, go to "Help->Video manual" in the menu.

For an example savefile, please see the textblock below.
You can import it into CardRunnersEV by pressing Ctrl+I and copy pasting it.
In this example, AA is removed from the range with which BB calls SB's all in:
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[CardRunnersEV v2.9.2]
[This text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into CardRunnersEV]
[www.cardrunnersev.com]
[p&6wr_aXbN0A8QyIiXDajdz#79M5yyBBoiRXKhO7qiQV7zf&@auIaOiepwI6Ip+1WD3dko]
[D&hIvh5qYTK4=ph.hv*dk?.ZOgb=Lc*(oAGro)6.G=wt*fG8-8RpuGxsP#SC#jVE.1pUy0]
[kdLotPOdMATxuNffTHsNXbe1NAXI5+uXR4Bxdppq6y_FEpu6UJ7nGLiLv$p&uRpY0DUhtS]
[pND#Rsnc$VqyXt7wqbN2IZwiZOaDyxz2.+FI04@x6+,0n$OWGWS,69hqwdUEiohBO3fAX2]
[ijbZ3XJ3@RmskdGL9ALMKkq-prEK57Eq9hof8Etf!M03-yHnc+vg8v6#vcBcy5wSlbZ5Vu]
[UR.C6+ZmKFrFdAHfxvhE2iVE2g7f4?FWwgFCjHdMUOs1QMikIMC_!c&Yn#P.a1q1v41qLu]
[3EvqJ7R2364d!2yWMpb4q!Q8q-gO_9D#a..D?EZZ!z2AbleMGY9+h5NQo2Xrlf!KnLHB32]
[VC6gYCs!NzQYYq47@YW98us??UANk+a!NwO&P0pEajpuiEobG.?kVX7lr&AbNqBIel40g5]
[tuxIssk2lINsgt.+.5lc_CeRUd3Qcd1lcJoEVfF3JThB?@oCb@b3m&iSo9JSjUyi+slJr5]
[.aKhnc8sDcT@U.XV$euJGaLYQrI3.8N,cvuKlPg7,@wDMj-fnFUyI!acf+gQI$#&&b&7PR]
[OaLGwFu0joHuqK&iHDqmrF3U2s+vx7-nVeTd06wLHGWAaSz92P8Sn86m+FKBIm-@.Rq+Uw]
[S?vdt0Qs?mfUAkc.PrbaAiSZByrDA1kl#EIZxNBvE?ne7aNWK2DczFGt9OF6WT4529$z1d]
[PQI!_Lf8n!HUr+z0J?j+pNB@c.epqK8Nhr9q1-gr$P%s@E:cMAa8_rglOv6BsIs@cuu15&]
[6eWmUy?_>=eT@AfWB6QD0z_wVkqpEkZs?IqVkQ@fTOZOhLO$6@2Q#IGN!IZ1@oz.$A.Qt&]
[gCvCXH_iK!ffaDK6d5dYcuwQ0HNvyZNkfS2Q+LVa81p-Qjf0chr?gCT1fdn9uBmba@S&sw]
[isQmCN16u+.g4IZ&gVfp@uyNWla!eHYLud49yzeO@ZylMwzs_$PIl7p&v#KoWNd6m4+WBL]
[sv9lJcPS5+gaA$pl7!hSur+4ZpkqI0Ei]
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:21 AM   #3763
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Hello scylla,

I have the habit of formatting my computer every 3 months or so and was wondering what happens to my purchased license in this case? I hope I don't have to buy another each time I do the format.

Thanks!
There's no need to purchase another key.
Should you need a new key, you can just mail support.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:06 AM   #3764
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There's no need to purchase another key.
Should you need a new key, you can just mail support.
I suppose the registration key is based on Hardware ID.
What's happen if I buy another PC and because of that I have another Hardware ID ? Do I need to buy another registration key ? Isn't it possible to generate a new one ?

Thanks !
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Old 02-25-2014, 02:04 PM   #3765
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Sorry likely complete noob question

Say for example I want to create a condition for tournaments where we have an opener with say x stack size he opens Y range and versus a 3 bet shoves Z%

Can the software work out the GTO range for 3 bet/call, 3 bet/fold and flat preflop (this is likely very tricky) and also the maximum exploitative range that we have in this spot.

Plus also factor in that versus players behind we would need to call off if they shove behind or 3b/4b behind with certain hands (depending on their range)

I feel like would but itís a pretty complex tree of events. How would I go about doing it?

Note: I have not bought software yet just downloaded the basic version and watched a couple of intro vids
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:05 PM   #3766
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word buffy, i am a tourney player to and should pry get this program. been awhile since i popped in the thread, just checking things out
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:06 AM   #3767
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Sorry likely complete noob question

Say for example I want to create a condition for tournaments where we have an opener with say x stack size he opens Y range and versus a 3 bet shoves Z%

Can the software work out the GTO range for 3 bet/call, 3 bet/fold and flat preflop (this is likely very tricky)
It's possible to do this for raise/fold trees by using a script.
However, please note that this is not the primary function of the software (so this is not a dedicated function; it requires work+insight on the part of the user), nor do I have time available to coach users in this. The only assistence I can offer here are the example videos in the video manual.

As for trees where there's also flat variations, things do indeed get a lot trickier than the standard approach for raise/fold trees.


PS:
The example videos for scripts have the soul intent of explaining the scripting functions. The only thing that is intended with them is to explain to users what each function does. Equilibria are just the backdrop; not the main subject.


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and also the maximum exploitative range that we have in this spot.
CardRunnersEV can tell you the absolute optimal way to exploit an opponent in the last street where the board cards are known. So, yes. There's a dedicated button for that.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:07 AM   #3768
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I suppose the registration key is based on Hardware ID.
What's happen if I buy another PC and because of that I have another Hardware ID ? Do I need to buy another registration key ? Isn't it possible to generate a new one ?

Thanks !
If you need a new key you can just mail support and request one.
Your old key will be deactivated.
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:52 AM   #3769
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Hey Scylla,

Firstly, if you have a better method of doing what i'm trying to do here please recommend one to me

I've been trying to analyze the effects of using blockers as a bluff in CREV to choose which hands are the most +EV to bluff with. So I simulated a board of Q73rJs5d I set BTN's preflop condition as 100% and just bet down and only modified BB's x/c, x/r, and x/f conditions. So we get to the river. I hover over btn's entire range and see his equities like so

http://gyazo.com/412e6d01f5f6c66d5aeadb9c4905b7f9

but if you look at AK it obviously has more equity because its still ahead of BB's air. But villain won't be calling with his AIR here instead he'll call with all his bluff catchers, could there be a way to make the pop up dim out all our "real hands" and then make it so that we see what air we get with and which has higher equity as a bluff? like for example, here it would be better to bet with a hand that doesn't block any of his Straight draws and flush draws that way we have a higher % of folds because he'll be throwing away a lot of draw combos etc. am I making sense here?
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:59 AM   #3770
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Hey Scylla,

Firstly, if you have a better method of doing what i'm trying to do here please recommend one to me

I've been trying to analyze the effects of using blockers as a bluff in CREV to choose which hands are the most +EV to bluff with. So I simulated a board of Q73rJs5d I set BTN's preflop condition as 100% and just bet down and only modified BB's x/c, x/r, and x/f conditions. So we get to the river. I hover over btn's entire range and see his equities like so

http://gyazo.com/412e6d01f5f6c66d5aeadb9c4905b7f9

but if you look at AK it obviously has more equity because its still ahead of BB's air. But villain won't be calling with his AIR here instead he'll call with all his bluff catchers, could there be a way to make the pop up dim out all our "real hands" and then make it so that we see what air we get with and which has higher equity as a bluff? like for example, here it would be better to bet with a hand that doesn't block any of his Straight draws and flush draws that way we have a higher % of folds because he'll be throwing away a lot of draw combos etc. am I making sense here?
Have you considered betting "at most highcard, kicker 2nd kicker, kicker 3rd kicker"?

There's probably lot of other ways of doing this as well.
Such as betting the bottom X% (for that use the Alt+F toggle in the popup).
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:58 PM   #3771
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ok seems fair enough also, HoldemEQ will be working again soon? it says my trial has been manipulated and that the trial is over or something. Like always thanks for your quick responses!
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:28 PM   #3772
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ok seems fair enough also, HoldemEQ will be working again soon? it says my trial has been manipulated and that the trial is over or something. Like always thanks for your quick responses!
The current beta expires at the end of Februari.
I'm trying to make sure that the update will be available on March 1st.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:57 PM   #3773
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I'm completing HoldEq this month (http://www.flopzilla.com/holdeq.html).
I'll continue work on CardRunnersEV in March.
Command line interface?
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:54 AM   #3774
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Hey Scylla,

I also want to see/use the frequencies of the nut hicard kickers as blockers when i bluff on the river on unknown boards.
So basically I want to bluff with K1K2, K1K3, K1K4 but if, for example, K1 can be used to form a straight, all hicard K1x will appear with 0% frequency.

How can I go around this?

Ain't hicard K1K2 suppose to mean the top two unused cards by the board left in the deck/@players which also doesn't form a 1p or better hand with the board?
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:05 AM   #3775
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Do both CREV and Zilla account for blockers? As in on the river, the call will be more +ev with top pair considering that call with top pair blocks some of the value combos of the bettor's range?
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