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05-01-2013 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ninja666
Hey,
There would be two nice things in crEV:
a) For 2D graph (Actually table) as Column or Row title add not just number, but also Text
Yes, I expect to be adding that for the next release.

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b) Have real 2d graph with multiple lines there.
I'd prefer to stick with a table right now.

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Originally Posted by Ninja666
2) Is there hotkey to select CheckPoint? Like SHIFT+ 3 For 3rd or something like this?
F10
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05-01-2013 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
F10
That is for Checkpoint, what is for Action Script checkpoint? (Red one)
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05-01-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ninja666
That is for Checkpoint, what is for Action Script checkpoint? (Red one)
Oh, that doesn't have a quickbutton.
I'd need some combo that allows for checkpoints 1 through 8, which is rather hard, since all combinations of Ctrl, Alt and Ctrl+Alt plus 1 though 8 are already taken.
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05-02-2013 , 09:20 PM
can you simply exclude certain hands from flop condition. for example on the QQ3, player check/raises 30% of all hands except for Qx.
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05-03-2013 , 06:06 AM
In a hu game with both players assigned a ATC flop starting distribution on flop Tc8d2s, I have SB cbet with top 66% of hands based on equity. CREV says that K9 is included in the cbet range, but KJ isn't. How is this so? I punched the same situation into propokertools and KJ has a little more equity.
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05-03-2013 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dappoker
In a hu game with both players assigned a ATC flop starting distribution on flop Tc8d2s, I have SB cbet with top 66% of hands based on equity. CREV says that K9 is included in the cbet range, but KJ isn't. How is this so? I punched the same situation into propokertools and KJ has a little more equity.
I'd need to see a savefile for this.
Could you mail one to support please?
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05-03-2013 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dappoker
can you simply exclude certain hands from flop condition. for example on the QQ3, player check/raises 30% of all hands except for Qx.
Sure, just put the condition that you want to remove from the range on top of the list of conditions. Then give it a weight of 0%. These hands will now be filtered from the range, given the fact that the condition with the highest priority (the one on top) has instructed the software to do so.

See pic below.



So, here, just compute and then filter from the "all hands" condition at location 1. In the filter menu, select "filter from just this condition" and NOT "filter from the entire decision".
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05-04-2013 , 02:47 PM
When I weight hands then want to check the combo's by hovering over a portion of the tree it shows the combo's as if the hand wasn't weighted.

Any way to fix it or plans to fix it?
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05-04-2013 , 05:19 PM
How does the "remove negatively performing holecards" (Alt+D) work when we use "layered" turn/river cards? For example, say we are playing LHE with a top 20% range and face a turn check-raise on a board of Kh8h4d2c. We assume this range is top pair+ and flush draws. We then create 2 layers of river cards, one where the river is a heart, and one where it is not.

If we use the Alt+D feature on the river layer of hearts, will CREV consider situations where we improve to beat top pair even though the river is a heart? In other words, in the river layer of hearts, will QQ be counted as not being negatively performing 10% of the time (when the river is the Qh and we make a set)?

Thanks.
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05-05-2013 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankShank
When I weight hands then want to check the combo's by hovering over a portion of the tree it shows the combo's as if the hand wasn't weighted.

Any way to fix it or plans to fix it?
The combo feature is not part of the engine, but simply measures the number of ways in which a certain hand is dealt. To be perfectly honest, I never wanted this feature in the software for quite a few reasons, mostly of which I feel it doesn't really add much to the purpose of the software (EV calculations) and it just complicates things. In its current form it counts the number of ways a hand can be dealt, which is perfectly defendable, since in the end, thát is what a combo is. I feel it's better not to take it beyond this purpose. Sorry.
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05-05-2013 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Zobags
How does the "remove negatively performing holecards" (Alt+D) work when we use "layered" turn/river cards? For example, say we are playing LHE with a top 20% range and face a turn check-raise on a board of Kh8h4d2c. We assume this range is top pair+ and flush draws. We then create 2 layers of river cards, one where the river is a heart, and one where it is not.

If we use the Alt+D feature on the river layer of hearts, will CREV consider situations where we improve to beat top pair even though the river is a heart? In other words, in the river layer of hearts, will QQ be counted as not being negatively performing 10% of the time (when the river is the Qh and we make a set)?

Thanks.
Currently the Alt+D and Alt+F features simply take the weighed average of all cards. They're not meant to be used on unknown boards. It never occurred to me that people would try to do this. I expect to be adding a warning about that in v2.8.7. Somewhere later this year I dó expect to be looking at a special condition that gets this done though.
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05-05-2013 , 03:33 PM
Is there a way, in a script, to filter for topx% and bottomx%, i.e. drop the middling cards to another branch?
EDIT: nevermind, figured it out. Debugging would have helped

Also, would be nice to be able to step through a script for debugging. (Conditional) breakpoints would give extra credit.
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05-05-2013 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pasita
Is there a way, in a script, to filter for topx% and bottomx%, i.e. drop the middling cards to another branch?
EDIT: nevermind, figured it out. Debugging would have helped
Ok.

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Also, would be nice to be able to step through a script for debugging. (Conditional) breakpoints would give extra credit.
Yes, I've already put that on the list of suggestions.
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05-06-2013 , 09:19 PM
Hello, probably already asked but I'm new here sorry.. So for example on river how can I bet with top 30% and bottom 15% of my range while checking the mid 55% ?

Also, on river, do we have a best "calling range" filter in response to a defined betting range ?
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05-07-2013 , 06:27 AM
If I open "all hands" -> "holecard range" -> there are custom "stored ranges". In what file these custom ranges are saved?
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05-07-2013 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 12may2012
Hello, probably already asked but I'm new here sorry.. So for example on river how can I bet with top 30% and bottom 15% of my range while checking the mid 55% ?
See the pic below.

1) Set up the tree so that you're betting with "all hands" twice and checking below that * (see below for *)
2) Compute (F7)
3) Mouse over condition 1
4) Press Alt+F for the filter menu
5) Select "filter by ev for top x%", "filter from just this condition" and use X=30
6) Mouse over condition 2
7) Press Alt+F for the filter menu
8) Select "filter by ev for bottom x%", "filter from just this condition" and use X=15
9) Compute (F7)

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Originally Posted by 12may2012
Also, on river, do we have a best "calling range" filter in response to a defined betting range ?
1) Set the call range as "all hands"
2) Compute (F7)
3) Mouse over the Call condition (location 3 in screenshot)
4) Press Alt+D to remove the -EV hands





*=There's a small bug in the beta that will turn two "all hands" conditions into one. This was originally to prevent a user accidentally entering multiple instances of "all hands". To get two "all hands" conditions anyhow, just create three of them instead. Only the last one will get removed.
So, to set this up:
1) Click on "edit conditions"
2) Press space twice to add two "all hands" conditions
3) Press "Save and close"
I'll fix the bug for the next release

Last edited by scylla; 05-07-2013 at 06:59 AM.
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05-07-2013 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by obviousTROLL
If I open "all hands" -> "holecard range" -> there are custom "stored ranges". In what file these custom ranges are saved?
prefloppredefs.txt
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05-07-2013 , 08:20 AM
Tyvm Scylla
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05-07-2013 , 03:22 PM
Hello
I tried to oepn a crev file and it said to me my version is old,so i want to site
and downloaded file,"modified" through instalation once, it didnt work then again i went "repair" but still smae,cant open file
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05-07-2013 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iAwesome
Hello
I tried to oepn a crev file and it said to me my version is old,so i want to site
and downloaded file,"modified" through instalation once, it didnt work then again i went "repair" but still smae,cant open file
I suspect the file was created by the beta.
You can download the beta here:
http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html

Click on "Click here for the beta of the software".

If the above doesn't solve your issue, then please mail the savefile to support.
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05-07-2013 , 04:09 PM
Is there an easy way to see how individual hands in the range that I am betting is doing against his calling range on that street?
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05-07-2013 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MNHBK
Is there an easy way to see how individual hands in the range that I am betting is doing against his calling range on that street?
Let's say that you have the situation in the top pic below.

If you replace the fold action by a delete action, now villain's range in location 1 will retroactively become the range in the call action (given that the fold action is deleted from existence).

So now all you'll need to do is compute (F7) and mouse over the push condition (location 1) to see how SB's hands perform versus the calling range.

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05-07-2013 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
See the pic below.

1) Set up the tree so that you're betting with "all hands" twice and checking below that * (see below for *)
2) Compute (F7)
3) Mouse over condition 1
4) Press Alt+F for the filter menu
5) Select "filter by ev for top x%", "filter from just this condition" and use X=30
6) Mouse over condition 2
7) Press Alt+F for the filter menu
8) Select "filter by ev for bottom x%", "filter from just this condition" and use X=15
9) Compute (F7)
I got weird results in range using the way you describe on flop when cards to come are unknown for example when there is no A/K/Q on flop AK is in the bot 30% of hands while AQ is in the middle group. I tryed the filter by EV and filter by equity.
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05-07-2013 , 08:11 PM
Another question : the board is Ac Ks 2s 3h river unknown. I asked the software to call with >= TP when flush has come so why do I see hand like J5 here ?



Thanks
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05-07-2013 , 09:09 PM
I already have the original cardrunnersev software. I've only just decided to properly give the new beta version a go. If I want to upgrade to the latest beta version do I have to buy it?

Thanks.
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