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HI! Is it possible to see before acting the EV of OOP and IP on an individual tree? I know that with the script for subset of several flops you can see

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09-30-2020 , 01:23 AM

#10702

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by Kockar

Syclla, can you please consider changing the preflop hand matrix so that frequencies of certain hands are clearly visible? The current hand matrix visualization is not optimal tbh since from the first glance it is not clearly visible which hands are played at what frequency. Something like Piosolver would be way better imo:
Thx.

Ok, I will consider it for future releases.

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09-30-2020 , 01:24 AM

#10703

scylla

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Originally Posted by eduargentina

HI! Is it possible to see before acting the EV of OOP and IP on an individual tree? I know that with the script for subset of several flops you can see

http://prntscr.com/uqbbiz

Yes, if you solve the tree under "Run solver", then the EV will be displayed there.

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09-30-2020 , 01:25 AM

#10704

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by bluffer232

I am new to GTO+ and want to start running a lot of sims. Is 1 or 2 percent dEV ok--I'm not a crazy superwizard who needs pinpoint accuracy--or will it really **** up the sim? Does it even save much time? Thanks

Generally 0.5% is recommended, however, 1% or even 2% is still a superhuman level of play.

Last edited by scylla; 09-30-2020 at 01:34 AM.

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09-30-2020 , 01:28 AM

#10705

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by Rafa.Ortizzz

So, im tryint to create a database for me and i make the steps to do it, processing database, X flops, builded a tree... ok until there...
i haveing a problem when i want to save a especificly flop in to a some past and when i try to open a diferent file, it open the same one...
what can i do to resolv this?
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https://gyazo.com/d1cf614605cd0f84d6c87426777a434d
https://gyazo.com/4f79604b66e6c154cd9d3e632a8d80e3
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ty for the attencion

If you want to look at a tree in your database, then double-click it to load it.

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09-30-2020 , 12:57 PM

#10706

eduargentina

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 152

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Originally Posted by scylla

Yes, if you solve the tree under "Run solver", then the EV will be displayed there.

Yesm but I would like to know the EV of IP & OOP before OOP makes bet or check

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09-30-2020 , 01:47 PM

#10707

scylla

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Originally Posted by eduargentina

Yesm but I would like to know the EV of IP & OOP before OOP makes bet or check

For that, navigate to OOP's decision.
His EV will be displayed below the table.
And if you mouse over it, IP's EV will be displayed in a popup.

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09-30-2020 , 08:00 PM

#10708

abstractdude

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 86

Hello.

Whats the minimun ram required for solving tres with 2 or more sizings?

My rather old laptop has 8 gb ram but gto+ is only able to solve trees with one bet size, and sometimes with two, y 7bb pots on the flop. But it cant solve a database of 15 flops with 2 betsizes and 7bb pot on the flop.

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09-30-2020 , 09:26 PM

#10709

Blavatsky

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6

is website down?

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10-01-2020 , 01:20 AM

#10710

scylla

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Originally Posted by Blavatsky

is website down?

It's up right now, however, it's possible that there was some maintenance during the night. Should you still not be able to reach the website, can you try a proxy please? Also, should you still not be able to reach the website, then can you please let me know? Thank you in advance.

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10-01-2020 , 01:26 AM

#10711

scylla

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Originally Posted by abstractdude

If you're using "Extenstive" storage, then storing the solutions in memory requires RAM as well. Should you want to get around this, then try exporting your database as separate files.

For this, use the code export_mydir to export all the trees in the database as separate files to the directory /flops/mydir.

After that, use the "Folder" feature (upper right of the interface) to process all files in that directory.

When the solver is done, you can again merge the separate files into a database with the code MERGE.

Last edited by scylla; 10-01-2020 at 01:48 AM.

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10-01-2020 , 05:38 AM

#10712

jayme87

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yeah ive found 2 bet sizes too take way more time than one bet size, good advice thanks

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10-01-2020 , 07:46 AM

#10713

Blavatsky

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6

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Originally Posted by scylla

not yet. ive been tryin many times since sunday...

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10-01-2020 , 08:03 AM

#10714

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by Blavatsky

not yet. ive been tryin many times since sunday...

Ok, can you try this proxy?
https://hide.me/nl/proxy

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10-01-2020 , 09:48 AM

#10715

Blavatsky

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6

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Originally Posted by scylla

Ok, can you try this proxy?
https://hide.me/nl/proxy

that works! ty

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10-01-2020 , 10:53 AM

#10716

mementomori

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 15

Hi,
I solved a tree for 1755 flops and when closed the program, got back to it, I cannot see the flops anywhere. Where do I find them? I've searched everywhere I could think of with no result. Thanks

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10-01-2020 , 11:54 AM

#10717

scylla

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Originally Posted by mementomori

Hi,
I solved a tree for 1755 flops and when closed the program, got back to it, I cannot see the flops anywhere. Where do I find them? I've searched everywhere I could think of with no result. Thanks

Did you create a savefile?
The flops can be found under "Run solver"->"Advanced".

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10-01-2020 , 12:47 PM

#10718

MadCat

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Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 106

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Originally Posted by scylla

Did you create a savefile?
The flops can be found under "Run solver"->"Advanced".

I was just thinking of this today. New and even old users might not know, at least until it's too late, about solving all files in a given directory being the only method of solving that auto saves as it goes from one flop to the next. I wonder why this isn't default? And the argument of savefiles being too large doesn't really apply in 2020. We are talking about several gigabytes for multiple databases, which pale in comparison to nearly any one modern day video game. Although I'm sure the large 1,755 flop could be a different story, but we are already given a warning in red letters about this.

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10-01-2020 , 01:42 PM

#10719

MadCat

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How much faster are modern day solvers, say yours for example, compared to whatever existed "back in the day" of the early 2000's, or before? Do you know when the first software to solve toy game versions of poker came into existence? Just curious.

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10-01-2020 , 09:24 PM

#10720

MicroDonkYT

adept

Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 818

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Originally Posted by MadCat

AFAIK, there wasn't anything back in the day. I think the first Nash EV solvers were privately done in the early 2010s for NLHE. The limit solvers were earlier. CFR+ came out in 2014.

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10-02-2020 , 01:00 AM

#10721

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by MadCat

We would gladly offer auto-saving as a default, however, there's a problem with it accidentally overwriting files. Namely, if you have a savefile that's valuable to you, open it, make some changes and run the solver, your savefile will now be overwritten. This will not happen with the "Folder" feature. In this case, it will open a file, run the solver, save the file and close it again. So it's a closed set of instructions that can not possibly overwrite files by accident.

Last edited by scylla; 10-02-2020 at 01:07 AM.

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10-02-2020 , 09:00 AM

#10722

MadCat

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Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 106

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Originally Posted by scylla

Understood. Thank you for explaining.

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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT

AFAIK, there wasn't anything back in the day. I think the first Nash EV solvers were privately done in the early 2010s for NLHE. The limit solvers were earlier. CFR+ came out in 2014.

Fascinating.

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10-03-2020 , 11:01 AM

#10723

MadCat

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 106

Scylla,

Regarding the aggregate matrix that can display equity or expected value-- can this be implemented for specific nodes for any specific game tree? Say if I wanted to see BB's EV across his entire river range all at once for a given spot, is this something you considered implementing?

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10-04-2020 , 01:53 AM

#10724

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by MadCat

At the moment it's possible to navigate aggregate reports throughout the flop. We don't offer this for the turn/river because this would be an average of an average (averaged over all turns, over all flops). And each node will have been reached with a different range and frequency. Because of this, it's not really possible to add this data. We can consider ignoring this, and adding it anyhow for later releases, but right at this moment it has been left out for this reason.

Last edited by scylla; 10-04-2020 at 02:02 AM.

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10-04-2020 , 08:01 AM

#10725

MadCat

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Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 106

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Originally Posted by scylla

The data is already there, it's just a matter of arranging it into a matrix and applying a heat-map, but I don't understand the complications of coding it into existence because it's beyond my scope, but I understand if there is a hesitation to do so on your end.

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