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There's not really such thing as an optimal bet size. When playing GTO, any bet size will perform almost exactly the same as any other bet size. There's a very persistent belief that, when multiple bet sizes are used, the bet size with the highest frequency will be the optimal bet size. This is however incorrect. You can test this for yourself by building the same tree, but with different bet sizes. After that, solve the tree and look at the overall performance. This is OOP's EV below the table for the very first decision in the tree (see pic below). As you will find, all bet sizes lead to approximately the same overall EV.

+1 ty.

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08-22-2019 , 07:03 PM

#8428

thegibson

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,363

Idk if this is possible or if your contemplating adding in an update..but it would cool if when you play vs solution you could lock your hand strength..for instance PP below TP but above second pair..or bottom pair..etc.

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08-22-2019 , 08:59 PM

#8429

MaxSM

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by scylla

I don't see why there would be any difference. Can you perhaps send an e-mail to support with the /config subdirectory for both versions? I'll check over here what the difference could be.

Done.

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08-23-2019 , 04:12 AM

#8430

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by MaxSM

Done.

I don't think we have received this. Can you try again please? When sending please include a message to let us know that the mail refers to this post. If we receive a mail with only links or attachments, then it will look like spam.

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08-23-2019 , 04:13 AM

#8431

scylla

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Originally Posted by thegibson

This is already available.
See pic below.

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08-23-2019 , 05:09 AM

#8432

thegibson

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,363

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Originally Posted by scylla

This is already available.

See pic below.

Awesome! Thank you!

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08-23-2019 , 06:16 AM

#8433

Montrealcorp

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 13,363

hi, i wonder when u put a bet size, does it only use "% of pot" or there is a function enabling us to use bb or BB for bet sizes postflop ?(for limit games purposes ?)
thx

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08-23-2019 , 07:31 AM

#8434

realtimer

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 98

Hi,

I was wondering if you could add a function to force one player to bet range before solving. That would save time and is useful for comparing sizes.

Cheers

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08-23-2019 , 07:39 AM

#8435

MaxSM

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by scylla

OK. The first time I sent files was through a form on gtoplus.com/contact/. Now sent to contact @ cardrunnersev.com. Normally?

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08-23-2019 , 01:33 PM

#8436

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

hi, i wonder when u put a bet size, does it only use "% of pot" or there is a function enabling us to use bb or BB for bet sizes postflop ?(for limit games purposes ?)
thx

No, this is not available.
We can consider it for later releases, but right at this moment it's not there.

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08-23-2019 , 01:34 PM

#8437

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by realtimer

Hi,
I was wondering if you could add a function to force one player to bet range before solving. That would save time and is useful for comparing sizes.
Cheers

Do you mean that you want him to bet 100% of the time?
For this, just use the editor to remove the "Check" action.

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08-23-2019 , 06:00 PM

#8438

mojo6911

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,979

I know this has been addressed before, but is there a plan to make player 2's betting options available in the turn report? Pio allows you to do this with a subset report, after selecting Player 1's action.

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08-23-2019 , 08:31 PM

#8439

realtimer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scylla

Do you mean that you want him to bet 100% of the time?
For this, just use the editor to remove the "Check" action.

Ah, forgot about that workaround

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08-24-2019 , 05:33 AM

#8440

scylla

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

If OOP has multiple actions, then there will also be multiple spots where IP gets to act. So for example, if OOP either bets or checks then IP's actions would need to be displayed separately for each scenario by OOP. And each data point will have been measured for a different range and frequency for OOP. This means that this data for IP is essentially not suitable for being displayed in a table/graph. We can decide to ignore this, and plot it anyhow for later releases, but right at this moment it has been left out for this reason.

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08-24-2019 , 06:20 AM

#8441

SelfishGhost

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 107

@scylla Is there a way to export a single tree from a 163 flops subset database for editing reasons?

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08-24-2019 , 06:38 AM

#8442

scylla

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by SelfishGhost

@scylla Is there a way to export a single tree from a 163 flops subset database for editing reasons?

If you're using v120 or higher, then yes.
For this, double-click the tree to load it as the active tree.
After that, clear the database.
The active tree will now be the only one remaining.

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08-24-2019 , 02:32 PM

#8443

Russ1409

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 80

I've tried importing my previous ranges into Flopzilla Pro. I exported from previous version, deleted the header info, and saved it as a ms-dos newdefs3.txt file in the folder that contains flopzillapro.exe It says "Successfully Imported Ranges!" but window is now completely blank, even after restarting. Am I screwing something up?

Thanks!

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08-24-2019 , 04:07 PM

#8444

scylla

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Originally Posted by Russ1409

Are the previous ranges from Flopzilla v1, GTO+ or CREV?

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08-24-2019 , 04:15 PM

#8445

Russ1409

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Flopzilla v 1.8.6

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08-24-2019 , 04:30 PM

#8446

scylla

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Originally Posted by Russ1409

Flopzilla v 1.8.6

The ranges for Flopzilla v186 are stored in the file newdefs2.txt.
This file can be found in its installation directory, which is most likely C:/program files (x86)/Flopzilla.

Copy this file to the same directory as FlopzillaPro.exe.
Most likely this will be C:/program files (x86)/FlopzillaPro.

After that, start FlopzillaPro, go to "Settings->Import preflop ranges" in its menu, select "newdefs2.txt" and click on "IMPORT RANGES".

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08-24-2019 , 04:34 PM

#8447

Russ1409

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Works perfectly. Thank you, scylla.

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08-24-2019 , 09:38 PM

#8448

Russ1409

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Where's the postflop inport/export range in text format button in Flopzilla pro? Or shortcut (formerly ctl alt T)?

Last edited by Russ1409; 08-24-2019 at 09:59 PM.

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08-25-2019 , 03:25 AM

#8449

scylla

GTO+ Representative

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,359

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Originally Posted by Russ1409

Where's the postflop inport/export range in text format button in Flopzilla pro? Or shortcut (formerly ctl alt T)?

This is not available at the moment. We'll probably add it at a later point, but with v120 of GTO+ being finished we decided to first releases the beta and take care of some of the final details in a later release. The alternative would have been to push the releases back by one or two months.