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09-23-2017 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by railgun
When I try to open older save files from GTO+ (from previous version), it gives me error "Unexpected file format". I can load new one but not old ones.
There was something about this on previous pages.
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09-23-2017 , 09:42 AM
I have 0 clue in programming , and think this might be extremly hard to make, but I am just curious is it even realistic to make GTO+ support .stx(crev) files? Or crev converting
and saving information to .gto ?
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09-23-2017 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by railgun
When I try to open older save files from GTO+ (from previous version), it gives me error "Unexpected file format". I can load new one but not old ones.
Yes, there's been a bit of a screwup, in that in v100 we have neglected to store the version number of the software. This is required in order to load it into subsequent versions. As a result, v101 will not be able to load savefiles from v100 anymore. This is a one-time issue though; all later versions will be able to load savefiles from all previous versions; just not from v100. Should you want to still use v100 so that you can still get to those savefiles, then here is a .zip version: http://www.crevfiles.com/gto/GTOv100.zip
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09-23-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gsdastin
I have 0 clue in programming , and think this might be extremly hard to make, but I am just curious is it even realistic to make GTO+ support .stx(crev) files? Or crev converting
and saving information to .gto ?
No, this is borderline impossible. The savefiles are completely different formats.
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09-23-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The great advantage of the GTO+ approach is that its savefiles are tiny and that it's possible to create very large databases, with savefiles being as small as only a few dozen MB, where previously even a single tree would easily require about 200MB. I mean, previously a database of 100 trees would require 20GB of memory and storage space. This is now reduced to only as little as roughly 20MB, which is a huge step forward. The flipside of this is though that not all internal solving data is stored, meaning that continuing a solve where you left of is no longer possible. That being said, in the old approach where all internal data was stored, our database functionality would not really be possible. At least not in this form. I feel that the upsides outweigh the downsides here.
Ok, makes sense. Thank you.
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09-24-2017 , 06:51 AM
I updated gto+. When I try to open the softaware I get a message saying:"This software cannot run without a license key ..."
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09-24-2017 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gcm1998
I updated gto+. When I try to open the softaware I get a message saying:"This software cannot run without a license key ..."
You can simply request your key for GTO+ here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/requestkey.html
It will be sent to you within a few minutes of your request.

Hardware ID?
To get your hardware ID, start GTO+.
The message at startup will tell you the hardware ID.

There’s no need to copy the ID by hand.
Once the message appears, it has already been copied to the clipboard.
Just use Ctrl+V to paste it.

Scylla
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09-24-2017 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
You can simply request your key for GTO+ here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/requestkey.html
It will be sent to you within a few minutes of your request.

Hardware ID?
To get your hardware ID, start GTO+.
The message at startup will tell you the hardware ID.

There’s no need to copy the ID by hand.
Once the message appears, it has already been copied to the clipboard.
Just use Ctrl+V to paste it.

Scylla
I'm getting this problem also this morning - not had it before
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09-24-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blunderer
I'm getting this problem also this morning - not had it before
The solution should be the same.
Simply request a new key on the website for the hardware ID that's given to you by the message.
A new key will be sent to you within a few minutes.
http://www.cardrunnersev.com/requestkey.html
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09-25-2017 , 05:54 AM
Hi Scylla

I hope you are well. I have read the information on GTO+. Apart from potential ease of use for newbies, will it do anything fundamentally different than CREV in terms of getting answers? I am now quite experienced with CREV, and am wondering if there is any reason to go through the learning process for a new tool (GTO+)?

Thanks
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09-25-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nzrod
Hi Scylla

I hope you are well. I have read the information on GTO+. Apart from potential ease of use for newbies, will it do anything fundamentally different than CREV in terms of getting answers? I am now quite experienced with CREV, and am wondering if there is any reason to go through the learning process for a new tool (GTO+)?

Thanks
Hi Nzrod,

There's been quite a few additions to GTO+ that are not in CREV, such as the recently added turn/river reports, scripting and graphing, which are all features that really add a lot to the solver. For a demonstration of these new capabilities, please see the second video here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html. Other benefits of GTO+ over CREV are that the savefiles are tiny (1000x smaller), memory use is much lower and the trees are very easy to navigate for various runouts of the board. Furthermore, the interface is resizable and there's now a card removal toggle. I'm probably overlooking a few other things that we have added, but these should be the main ones.

I think that so far we've made it easy enough to use that there's shouldn't really be too much of a learning curve, so I don't think this will be much of a problem. For demonstration videos, more info and download of GTO+, please go here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html

Cheers,

Scylla

Last edited by scylla; 09-25-2017 at 01:19 PM.
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09-25-2017 , 01:35 PM
Hi Scylla, is there any way to import previously solved flops into a database?
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09-26-2017 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Siesta
Hi Scylla, is there any way to import previously solved flops into a database?
No, but we may add a feature along these lines at a later point.
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09-29-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Hi Nzrod,

There's been quite a few additions to GTO+ that are not in CREV, such as the recently added turn/river reports, scripting and graphing, which are all features that really add a lot to the solver. For a demonstration of these new capabilities, please see the second video here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html. Other benefits of GTO+ over CREV are that the savefiles are tiny (1000x smaller), memory use is much lower and the trees are very easy to navigate for various runouts of the board. Furthermore, the interface is resizable and there's now a card removal toggle. I'm probably overlooking a few other things that we have added, but these should be the main ones.

I think that so far we've made it easy enough to use that there's shouldn't really be too much of a learning curve, so I don't think this will be much of a problem. For demonstration videos, more info and download of GTO+, please go here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html

Cheers,

Scylla
Thanks Scylla. So is GTO+ a total replacement of CREV (once it has matured) and one won't need to use both platforms?
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09-30-2017 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nzrod
Thanks Scylla. So is GTO+ a total replacement of CREV (once it has matured) and one won't need to use both platforms?
GTO+ will mostly contain the heads-up postflop GTO and EV calculator part. So it will only take a part of CREV's functionality, but also adding new features that are otherwise too hard to add to an already existing piece of software.
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10-01-2017 , 05:12 AM
Hi, could you tell me the system requirements to run CREV?
Thanks in advance.
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10-01-2017 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by yamarashi
Hi, could you tell me the system requirements to run CREV?
Thanks in advance.
When it comes to CPU speed, there really aren't minimal requirements. If your CPU is on the slower side, then the calculations will run a bit slower; but in the end, it will still work. The GTO calculations are basically a factor of your CPU speed multiplied by the number of physical cores. So if you are running on a 3.2GHz system with 4 cores, then you are essentially running on a 12.8GHz system. Essentially, if you are running on any sort of a modern system then the software will work properly.

Personally I have 5 computers, with the oldest being 6 years old, and both CREV and GTO+ run fine on them. The slowest of the 5 would be an ultra-thin laptop with only two cores, which runs about 3x slower than my fastest system (2x slower due to only having 2 cores, and the additional bit due to having a slower CPU speed).

As for memory, you will need at most 6GB of memory at the moment. The size of the memory will not affect calculation speed; it only affects the largest possible size of tree that can fit in memory.

GTO+
In our new software GTO+ (which is included with CREV) CPU requirements are the same as CREV, however, memory requirements are far lower. In that case the max possible memory requirements are roughly 2GB. For demonstration videos on GTO+, please go here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html. GTO+ is a dedicated interface for our solver and offers new features like scripting/graphing/reports (see the second video).

Last edited by scylla; 10-01-2017 at 06:12 AM.
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10-01-2017 , 07:53 PM
Hi!

I recently purchased CardrunnersEV alongside GTO+. Im aware GTO+ is in beta, so are there things in CardrunnersEV that GTO+ cannot do yet, and is it worth learning how to use both programs?

Thanks!
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10-02-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Katon Bond
Hi!

I recently purchased CardrunnersEV alongside GTO+. Im aware GTO+ is in beta, so are there things in CardrunnersEV that GTO+ cannot do yet, and is it worth learning how to use both programs?

Thanks!
GTO+ will basically cover all heads-up postflop analysis that is available in CREV, as well as adding quite a number of new features in this area. So basically it's a very extensive version of CREV's GTO solver. An added benefit is that GTO+ uses less resources, has a resizable interface and, in the final release, will work in multiple languages. Some of the new features in GTO+ include scripting, turn/river reports and graphing. For a video on this, please watch the second vid here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/gtoplus.html

The main functionality that is not yet available in GTO+, but that is already available in CREV, is the ability to edit trees. v102 of GTO+ will be available within a few days, after which we will begin work on v103, which will offer these editing features.

Beside GTO functionality, CREV is a general purpose tool though, and offers other functionality as well, such as multiway ev+equity calculations, preflop calculations and calculations on unknown boards. Basically, it's an all-purpose EV calculator where you can just enter a tree and have it figure out the ev for you everywhere in that tree. The diverse features offered in CREV however come with a steeper learning curve.

Generally speaking I would say that it would be enough to focus on GTO+. It's designed to be extremely intuitive, and covers a very large chunk of the CREV functionality, as well as adding a number of new features. For the moment, if you want to already edit trees, then you may want to look to CREV until GTO+ v103 is finished. For this, just watch the two videos here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html. If you are interested in some of the other functionality of CREV, then just watch the videos in the section "The basics" in its video section (start CREV and click on "Videos").

Last edited by scylla; 10-02-2017 at 02:20 PM.
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10-03-2017 , 11:53 AM
Hello, I have two questions about GTO+

First, since the software is currently in beta you are allowing people to use it by purchasing CREV and I'm curious if the people who have done this will continue to be able to use the software after it has passed through the beta phase or if we will have to buy it as a seperate licence.

Second, what OSs does the program run on?

Thanks for your help
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10-03-2017 , 12:28 PM
Hi scylla can you provide me a mirror for CREV and GTO+ 64bit?
Both download are stuck and I've tried multiple times, seems like a server side problem, since I don't have any issue with other downloads

Also, I know you are pretty busy updating GTO+, so my comment will be slightly off, but.... would you consider a night mode or a black theme? I should be really great for our eyes


Ah, I have an issue with my new pc... basically CREV window is blank

Last edited by 4-Star General; 10-03-2017 at 12:48 PM.
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10-03-2017 , 01:45 PM
Is there a way to have multiple bet sizes on GTO+? or is that apart of editing trees
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10-03-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Katon Bond
Is there a way to have multiple bet sizes on GTO+? or is that apart of editing trees
GTO+ is currently in beta, and not all features are there yet. The ability to edit trees will be added in v103. We are currently at v101, with v102 being released in a few days.
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10-03-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 4-Star General
Hi scylla can you provide me a mirror for CREV and GTO+ 64bit?
Both download are stuck and I've tried multiple times, seems like a server side problem, since I don't have any issue with other downloads
http://www.crevfiles.com/crev/CardRu...v334_64bit.msi
www.crevfiles.com/crev/GTO_v101_64bit.msi


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Originally Posted by 4-Star General
Also, I know you are pretty busy updating GTO+, so my comment will be slightly off, but.... would you consider a night mode or a black theme? I should be really great for our eyes
All color schemes are stored in a central location, so we may offer the option to customize in a later release. This system was not written with something as drastically different as a night theme in mind though, but it may be possible to get it to work.


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Originally Posted by 4-Star General
Ah, I have an issue with my new pc... basically CREV window is blank
I don't think I've ever encountered that before, but you may want to try uninstalling and reinstalling to a different directory in order to ensure a fresh reinstall. Also, set an exception in your virus scanner.
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10-03-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LilTony
Hello, I have two questions about GTO+

First, since the software is currently in beta you are allowing people to use it by purchasing CREV and I'm curious if the people who have done this will continue to be able to use the software after it has passed through the beta phase or if we will have to buy it as a seperate licence.
No, there's no need to ever purchase again.
All licenses are lifetime and do not expire.
There's also no renewal fees or any other tricks like that.
You purchase once and that's it.


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Originally Posted by LilTony
Second, what OSs does the program run on?
Windows 7 and higher.
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