[GTO] GTO+/CardRunnersEV?
11-24-2015
, 04:35 AM
11-25-2015
, 08:45 AM
Hello Scylla!
http://ppt.cc/vYcGi
I found out I could use equilibrium tool even when then turn and river are unknown. CREV still gives me range number(ex: jam x% call y%). But without actually telling you which hand to jam or call. I wonder how does the software work? Does it enumerate every possible turn and river cards(49*48 different kinds) and calculates the nash equilibrium of each kind (according to the tree you gave her) then gives me back the average jam/call percent? So the software couldn't really tell me the specific hands to jam/call because it depends on which turn/river card I get?
Love the software, I feel like you've opened the Pandora's box.
pokoteng
http://ppt.cc/vYcGi
I found out I could use equilibrium tool even when then turn and river are unknown. CREV still gives me range number(ex: jam x% call y%). But without actually telling you which hand to jam or call. I wonder how does the software work? Does it enumerate every possible turn and river cards(49*48 different kinds) and calculates the nash equilibrium of each kind (according to the tree you gave her) then gives me back the average jam/call percent? So the software couldn't really tell me the specific hands to jam/call because it depends on which turn/river card I get?
Love the software, I feel like you've opened the Pandora's box.
pokoteng
Last edited by pokoteng; 11-25-2015 at 08:49 AM.
Reason: couldn't see my pic
11-25-2015
, 03:10 PM
Quote:
Hello Scylla!
http://ppt.cc/vYcGi
I found out I could use equilibrium tool even when then turn and river are unknown. CREV still gives me range number(ex: jam x% call y%). But without actually telling you which hand to jam or call. I wonder how does the software work? Does it enumerate every possible turn and river cards(49*48 different kinds) and calculates the nash equilibrium of each kind (according to the tree you gave her) then gives me back the average jam/call percent? So the software couldn't really tell me the specific hands to jam/call because it depends on which turn/river card I get?
Love the software, I feel like you've opened the Pandora's box.
pokoteng
http://ppt.cc/vYcGi
I found out I could use equilibrium tool even when then turn and river are unknown. CREV still gives me range number(ex: jam x% call y%). But without actually telling you which hand to jam or call. I wonder how does the software work? Does it enumerate every possible turn and river cards(49*48 different kinds) and calculates the nash equilibrium of each kind (according to the tree you gave her) then gives me back the average jam/call percent? So the software couldn't really tell me the specific hands to jam/call because it depends on which turn/river card I get?
Love the software, I feel like you've opened the Pandora's box.
pokoteng
Quote:
CREV still gives me range number(ex: jam x% call y%). But without actually telling you which hand to jam or call. I wonder how does the software work? Does it enumerate every possible turn and river cards(49*48 different kinds) and calculates the nash equilibrium of each kind (according to the tree you gave her) then gives me back the average jam/call percent? So the software couldn't really tell me the specific hands to jam/call because it depends on which turn/river card I get?
For example, if the flop is Th9h3d then AhKh may be a push on a 4h turn, but a check on a 4s turn. Given that hands are played differently depending on what the turn/river is it's not possible to display the results for all 47 possible turns in a single matrix.
If you want to know how hands are played on some specific turn though, then you can simply bring it up by entering that turn and recomputing (with F7).
11-25-2015
, 11:00 PM
I want to find a gto approach starting from flop and approaching an unknown turn. (I've sent you a save file via pm I believe). I have ranges for both hero (oop) and villain and want to quickly see what best options are before turn. From there I want to input turns and do the same for unknown river. Surely there is an easy way to do this... I've watched the equilibrium vids but frankly they're a bit over simplified (preflop shove fold etc). It's my understanding that I can basically do this in less than a min using pio or gtorb but I'd like to do it thru crev so I can change/lockin certain ranges as I go to make things more realistic. I'm sure many users will have this same question so hopefully you can give a step by step reply here in forum as opposed to via pm.
Here's a screen shot of what I'm starting with and below a c/p of save file:
FYI I've got this in tournament mode with both stacks at 35k and 35bb eff in a winner take all scenario. I'm only interested in cEV.
Here's a screen shot of what I'm starting with and below a c/p of save file:
Quote:
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[This text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into CardRunnersEV]
[www.cardrunnersev.com]
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Last edited by squintster; 11-25-2015 at 11:26 PM.
11-26-2015
, 04:30 AM
Quote:
I want to find a gto approach starting from flop and approaching an unknown turn. (I've sent you a save file via pm I believe). I have ranges for both hero (oop) and villain and want to quickly see what best options are before turn. From there I want to input turns and do the same for unknown river. Surely there is an easy way to do this... I've watched the equilibrium vids but frankly they're a bit over simplified (preflop shove fold etc). It's my understanding that I can basically do this in less than a min using pio or gtorb but I'd like to do it thru crev so I can change/lockin certain ranges as I go to make things more realistic. I'm sure many users will have this same question so hopefully you can give a step by step reply here in forum as opposed to via pm.
Here's a screen shot of what I'm starting with and below a c/p of save file:
FYI I've got this in tournament mode with both stacks at 35k and 35bb eff in a winner take all scenario. I'm only interested in cEV.
Here's a screen shot of what I'm starting with and below a c/p of save file:
FYI I've got this in tournament mode with both stacks at 35k and 35bb eff in a winner take all scenario. I'm only interested in cEV.
11-26-2015
, 04:33 AM
11-27-2015
, 12:49 AM
Quote:
In order to build the tree all you need to do is right-click on the decision node. This will bring up the tree building wizard. Other than that, you'll need to switch to cash game mode, however, given that it's winner-takes-all, this should not be a problem. That's pretty much all there is to it. If you want a demonstration then please watch update video 4 on the website: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/equilibrium.html
I'll bother you later with questions 
EDIT: found one. So after I've found equilibrium for both players, and I see one player is raising a hand in the custom range, likely for balance, and I feel this opp wouldn't do that, how do I remove that hand from the custom range and send it to the next option? I tried doing a skip condition but it doesn't seem to work when i move it above the custom range.
Last edited by squintster; 11-27-2015 at 01:16 AM.
11-27-2015
, 04:36 AM
Quote:
I think I've got it a bit better figured out finally I'll bother you later with questions
EDIT: found one. So after I've found equilibrium for both players, and I see one player is raising a hand in the custom range, likely for balance, and I feel this opp wouldn't do that, how do I remove that hand from the custom range and send it to the next option? I tried doing a skip condition but it doesn't seem to work when i move it above the custom range.
I'll bother you later with questions EDIT: found one. So after I've found equilibrium for both players, and I see one player is raising a hand in the custom range, likely for balance, and I feel this opp wouldn't do that, how do I remove that hand from the custom range and send it to the next option? I tried doing a skip condition but it doesn't seem to work when i move it above the custom range.
For more on locking please watch update video 4: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/equilibrium.html
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11-27-2015
, 11:55 PM
I figured out what I was doing wrong in the above problem, thank you. Next question...
Assuming I've got equilibrium reached for both players. And I decide to lock in conditions for the solver to ignore or change and run again. And seeing this I want to have the other player max exploit vs new strategy with conditions I've locked in. Do I just hit the max exploit bu or do I need to lock ranges etc on either player? image below
I want to have co max exploit vs bu's now edited range and solver results.
Assuming I've got equilibrium reached for both players. And I decide to lock in conditions for the solver to ignore or change and run again. And seeing this I want to have the other player max exploit vs new strategy with conditions I've locked in. Do I just hit the max exploit bu or do I need to lock ranges etc on either player? image below
I want to have co max exploit vs bu's now edited range and solver results.
11-28-2015
, 01:02 PM
Ok, thank you for the suggestion!
11-28-2015
, 01:04 PM
Quote:
I figured out what I was doing wrong in the above problem, thank you. Next question...
Assuming I've got equilibrium reached for both players. And I decide to lock in conditions for the solver to ignore or change and run again. And seeing this I want to have the other player max exploit vs new strategy with conditions I've locked in. Do I just hit the max exploit bu or do I need to lock ranges etc on either player? image below
I want to have co max exploit vs bu's now edited range and solver results.
Assuming I've got equilibrium reached for both players. And I decide to lock in conditions for the solver to ignore or change and run again. And seeing this I want to have the other player max exploit vs new strategy with conditions I've locked in. Do I just hit the max exploit bu or do I need to lock ranges etc on either player? image below
I want to have co max exploit vs bu's now edited range and solver results.
11-29-2015
, 12:45 PM
11-30-2015
, 08:26 PM
12-01-2015
, 12:41 AM
Interpreting data
Scenario: hero wants to know which option will yield more EV, 3b jamming ai preflop or raising to 9k and shoving any flop. I've created the tree below and shows in preflop the EV of raising to 9k or shoving pre as about the same (6k), but on random flop jamming the hand (AQo) vs villains wide call range has an ev of 14k. So from a pure EV perspective, which option would make the most money vs this villain? If the ev for hero is 14k on flop but we've invested 9k preflop, does it mean this option only yields 5k?
Scenario: hero wants to know which option will yield more EV, 3b jamming ai preflop or raising to 9k and shoving any flop. I've created the tree below and shows in preflop the EV of raising to 9k or shoving pre as about the same (6k), but on random flop jamming the hand (AQo) vs villains wide call range has an ev of 14k. So from a pure EV perspective, which option would make the most money vs this villain? If the ev for hero is 14k on flop but we've invested 9k preflop, does it mean this option only yields 5k?
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Interpreting data
Scenario: hero wants to know which option will yield more EV, 3b jamming ai preflop or raising to 9k and shoving any flop. I've created the tree below and shows in preflop the EV of raising to 9k or shoving pre as about the same (6k), but on random flop jamming the hand (AQo) vs villains wide call range has an ev of 14k. So from a pure EV perspective, which option would make the most money vs this villain? If the ev for hero is 14k on flop but we've invested 9k preflop, does it mean this option only yields 5k?
Scenario: hero wants to know which option will yield more EV, 3b jamming ai preflop or raising to 9k and shoving any flop. I've created the tree below and shows in preflop the EV of raising to 9k or shoving pre as about the same (6k), but on random flop jamming the hand (AQo) vs villains wide call range has an ev of 14k. So from a pure EV perspective, which option would make the most money vs this villain? If the ev for hero is 14k on flop but we've invested 9k preflop, does it mean this option only yields 5k?
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