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Old 04-12-2013, 01:07 PM   #201
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What's the use of the Reminder?
Just to keep you on task and remind you to test yourself. You can set it to any interval or turn it off.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:38 PM   #202
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Just to keep you on task and remind you to test yourself. You can set it to any interval or turn it off.
Then may I suggest to add the possibility that the reminder should be allowed to start with Windows?
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:49 PM   #203
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Then may I suggest to add the possibility that the reminder should be allowed to start with Windows?
Hi, it should start with windows. I think the only time it doesn't is if it's set to off.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:57 AM   #204
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Hey,

I think I found a bug in the odds and outs trainer:



As you can see in the bottom, the only outs I have are the three jacks. Aren't the 4 deuces and runner-runner flush also outs, counting for 8 outs?

And here



The answer could be more detailed, because, any runner-runner can give a flush, not only 23 , as it's stated down.

And I found that, in some cases, the past results are deleted, but I cannot reproduce the error yet.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:49 PM   #205
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Hey,

I think I found a bug in the odds and outs trainer:



As you can see in the bottom, the only outs I have are the three jacks. Aren't the 4 deuces and runner-runner flush also outs, counting for 8 outs?

And here



The answer could be more detailed, because, any runner-runner can give a flush, not only 23 , as it's stated down.

And I found that, in some cases, the past results are deleted, but I cannot reproduce the error yet.
No as an answer for both questions. If you look at the first one, if you clicked on the backdoor button to the bottom right where it says +1, it will show you backdoor outs. In this case it adds to about 1 w/o split. The second one it is listing the backdoor outs, it's arbitrarily showing any two diamonds (doesn't matter which cards because it's only 1 out, or in some cases ~1.5) and counting it as an out. If you click on help or look at the outs explanation it will go over this in more detail.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:56 AM   #206
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Bug:

1. At the preflop trainer I have a result recorded already. These are all the results that I have, no matter the drill;
2. I take and finish the preflop trainer quiz, with 100 questions. Of course, the past results will show me two results for this quiz;
3. I take and finish the odds and outs quiz. I take a look at my (only) result;
4. I go back to preflop drill.

Every result is gone.
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:23 PM   #207
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Bug:

1. At the preflop trainer I have a result recorded already. These are all the results that I have, no matter the drill;
2. I take and finish the preflop trainer quiz, with 100 questions. Of course, the past results will show me two results for this quiz;
3. I take and finish the odds and outs quiz. I take a look at my (only) result;
4. I go back to preflop drill.

Every result is gone.
What OS are you using? It shouldn't be, but it could be an admin rights issue. Maybe try and right click on APD and choose run as admin. So a 10 question quiz, quit, go back in and see if your results are there. It shouldn't be happening, but it sounds like it's not recording results to file.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:49 PM   #208
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

I am using Windows 7 Home Edition.

I went to the executable, PokerDrills.exe, and checked the "Run as administrator" checkbox. Let's see if the bug comes back again. I will keep you updated
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:05 AM   #209
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The error came back even after I ran it as an administrator.

PS: every result is also gone.

PPS: it seems that the problem is when I change the drill types (going from preflop drill to odds and outs, going from odds and outs to equity, etc.)

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Old 04-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #210
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The error came back even after I ran it as an administrator.

PS: every result is also gone.

PPS: it seems that the problem is when I change the drill types (going from preflop drill to odds and outs, going from odds and outs to equity, etc.)
Ok, thanks. I'm passing this on to the developer.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:14 AM   #211
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Sure.

I am glad I can help.

I like your software and I think it has a great developing potential
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:20 PM   #212
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Sure.

I am glad I can help.

I like your software and I think it has a great developing potential
Thanks. It's in the que and the developer is going to look at it. Should be a relatively easy fix, and I know it has to do with permissions.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:53 AM   #213
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Bought the package few days ago, I like it think it has great potential. But I found this mistake, and the program probably has more in that case:



We are risking 117 to win 107, and the program asks us how often our opponent needs to fold for us to breakeven, we are raising A high he's never calling with worse. So eventhough against his bet we have equity, against his calling range we have none, so there is a problem with comparing the two ranges here and it probably considers our equity vs his betting range the same as equity vs his calling a raise range, which obviously isn't the same.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:40 PM   #214
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Thanks. Yes, correct it's just considering equity versus his betting range, and not his calling range in raising situations. It's not working out a true EV of the situation, but having you work out just his betting range versus your play so that you can consider which option, call, raise or fold is best. Doing something that included the betting, and then their calling range would get into more of an AI poker situation, which isn't what ace poker drills is. It's a quizzing system so that you can put yourself in many common situations, get some feedback, and chart your progress.

I completely understand what you're saying though, and I think putting in a calling range, and working out a real EV would be another great option. It's definitely something that has been talked about in the past, and has been on the table. I will pass the feedback on the team, and I know once they get this new product out the door, they are going to be doing lots more things with APD.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:21 PM   #215
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Hey,

Just bought the Equity trainer today, not seeing any villain stats (selecting 'show stats' makes no difference) which makes it tricky to estimate equity, any suggestions?

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Old 07-14-2013, 05:37 AM   #216
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Also, am I missing some obvious instructions on how best to actually use this software?
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:27 AM   #217
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

Go to Settings -> Drill Type. Pre-flop does not have HUD stats. Every other position, flop, turn, river has stats.

Top menu, click training, and there's a video on how to use the equity trainer.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:57 AM   #218
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

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The error came back even after I ran it as an administrator.

PS: every result is also gone.

PPS: it seems that the problem is when I change the drill types (going from preflop drill to odds and outs, going from odds and outs to equity, etc.)
Any news on this bug?
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:09 PM   #219
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Any news on this bug?
I see it was tagged and looked at but not reproducible. I'll have to ask the developer what else he might think is going on, but there's no notes in there. Have you been running it as admin? Some virus scanners have issues with programs writing files to protected directories and will block it. Not sure where we left off, but have you right clicked and ran it as admin?
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:48 AM   #220
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internet is crap so cant edit this in previous post since it 30 mins has gone by, but


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also, the math for the "how often does my opponent need to fold" is wrong in the follow up question for the above example. I opened the hint window so I could see the math, and its using a different equity than what the correct answer was for the first part of the question is, and its adding up the bets wrong as well. For example, the pot has 129 in it after we bet the flop and he raises if we shove for 158 he only has to call 115 more, so if he calls our bluff and we win, we win 129+115, not the 129+158 that the software is using.
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Wow, yeah you're right about the bet amount. For some reason it's adding in hero's bet. Really strange because I saw this working fine before, but I know there was a recent change. Also, I saw it put the wrong equity in once, but another 10 times it was fine. Thanks though. Having the developer look at this today.
I just downloaded "Ace Poker Drills" trial version. It seems that the problem quoted above is not resolved. Do you have any updates on this issue?
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:24 PM   #221
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Hello, FreakDaddy.

I'm using the trial version and feel like this product has huge potential but I would still like to see a few improvements before I decide to make the purchase.

For the equity and preflop trainer, I'm kind of lost as to why my answers are wrong. I wish there was an explanation why I have 75% equity instead of 65%. Or for the preflop trainer, I want to know why I'm fold/call/raising certain hands. There are a few explanations but not on every hand. I read some of the forum and I think there were requests about showing the villain's range so sorry if this sounds repetitive.

The odds and outs calculator seem to be way off for backdoor straight draws. I could be wrong so correct me if I am, but I thought having 87o on a K92 board would mean the backdoor straight draw counts as 1.5 outs. It almost always counts way more.



In this particular example, backdoor outs add up to 4.5, which sounds like a lot. That's more than having a gutshot draw alone.

Overall, I appreciate the hard work you and your team put into this and I can't wait to see what develops with this product.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:37 AM   #222
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I just downloaded "Ace Poker Drills" trial version. It seems that the problem quoted above is not resolved. Do you have any updates on this issue?
Yes, and no. It has been resolved, but there's still a couple of issues here that need to be addressed. They don't have a major impact on the program right now, but they do need to be resolved.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:41 AM   #223
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In this particular example, backdoor outs add up to 4.5, which sounds like a lot. That's more than having a gutshot draw alone.

Overall, I appreciate the hard work you and your team put into this and I can't wait to see what develops with this product.
If you can send me a SS of what the outs it's saying are (you click on it), and/or export the hand from the file menu I can look at it.

As far as explanations, it does have a lot, but that's not the primary point of the application. You're asking for something that would be more in the advanced AI realm and that's not what this product is, and if it was the price point would be double to triple because of the development involved.

Let me know about the backdoor outs. I haven't seen it do that before, so I'd be interested. Thanks.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:03 PM   #224
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This software is great. I've dramatically improved and have gained a lot more confidence. I definitely plan on buying this program.
In the Odds and Outs trainer,
Why am I able to see my opponents hands?
In back door outs, how are flush draws with one gap counted?
When do I know when to count a four of a kind as an out?
Are hidden and half outs factored in or do I just take note of those?

Why are cards needed to make a flush counted together as 1.5 outs?
Why are the suited cards you have and see on the board not subtracted from 13 to get the number of outs to get a flush. I see this method on instructional videos and have never seen the method on your program.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:51 AM   #225
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Tried this out of curiosity. Looks like a lot of hard work went into it. That said, I'm not sure where the value is. Doing the odds and outs test I was told that 96cc vs J8o on A82xxc has 24-27% equity when you actually have 19%. I understand that because information is imperfect in poker, there is rarely a need to be precise. But there is a pretty massive difference between 3-1 and 4-1. The outs system you've created is too inaccurate to be useful imo.
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