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Old 03-23-2012, 01:28 PM   #151
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Does this program support training vs custom ranges?
e.g. Can I setup LAG 1, LAG 2, LAG 3 for different positions for a custom opponent?

Can I drill say TAG 3B RANGE 1 over and over?
The pre-flop trainer does, you can edit every position. It already is set the 3 different table types that you ca change (passive, standard regs, and aggressive LAG). The equity trainer you can only edit hand ranges after the initial range is set. It's a good idea though for the equity trainer.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:29 PM   #152
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Re: Ace Poker Drills

how is this diferent from propokertools?
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:28 PM   #153
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how is this diferent from propokertools?
I'm not an expert on propokertools, but from what I understand ace poker drills is very different. pro tools is primarily just a simulator/ equity calculator for situations. The equity calculator in APD is similar but has more advanced features (and it's free).

The primary thing ace poker drills does though is simulate common poker situations and generate a quiz style format to test you. Pro tools doesn't do anything like that. APD saves and tracks your progress and it's a great way to learn equity and hand ranges against opponents, without having to sit down and work out the math every time (well, because you can't really do this in real time at a table any way). So it drills in common spots so you'll understand what your approximate equity is. You'll understand pre-flop play better, etc...
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:01 AM   #154
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Old suggestions/requests. Figured I'd check in about them again, especially since they seem like they'd be pretty simple to add:

Options for a 4 color deck?
Option for quiz answers given in odds rather than percentages?
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:58 PM   #155
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Old suggestions/requests. Figured I'd check in about them again, especially since they seem like they'd be pretty simple to add:

Options for a 4 color deck?
Option for quiz answers given in odds rather than percentages?
Sorry missed this. We plan to do that, but we're focusing on adding better PT3 and Pt4 support and some other changes. I did put a request in about both of those some time back because they're good suggestions.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:06 PM   #156
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Does this program support training vs custom ranges?
e.g. Can I setup LAG 1, LAG 2, LAG 3 for different positions for a custom opponent?

Can I drill say TAG 3B RANGE 1 over and over?
I own the program and it seems pretty useless and yes this would be a good addition which might actually encourage me in using it

especially if I could modify postflop ranges

For instance villain c/c with all draws on the flop in a 3b pot and the range would change on his action on the flop (given the ranges we've set up for each action)

This would make the SW extremely valuable and tbh this was what I was expecting when I bought it
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:09 PM   #157
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I own the program and it seems pretty useless and yes this would be a good addition which might actually encourage me in using it

especially if I could modify postflop ranges

For instance villain c/c with all draws on the flop in a 3b pot and the range would change on his action on the flop (given the ranges we've set up for each action)

This would make the SW extremely valuable and tbh this was what I was expecting when I bought it
That's unfortunate that you can't find value from it. I would expect from a micro stakes player such as yourself that there would be tons to learn from it.

I think what you're asking for would cost about 6-7x the price. Right now the equity trainer is the only thing like it that exists on the market. It's not perfect, but it's a great place for micro and small stakes players to start understanding hand ranges better. You can modify these ranges, with the goal of getting you to really understand your equity in many common, and some not so uncommon spots.

The pre-flop trainer is designed for micro players such as yourself simply because after over 7 years of coaching at 100nl+, I saw so many bad pre-flop strategies with students that I felt some kind of drilling utility from someone who could actually really kill the games would be beneficial. Students would get into so many bad positions post flop because of it, and then wonder why they were marginal winners or losers. I haven't coached much micro, but I know from seeing posts that most people have huge flaws in this area, and usually don't know it.

Trying to work out a few more bugs, and actually have a new release coming out by tomorrow if all testing goes well. But if you ever have any questions, or want to know how to get better use out of it, please just ask. I always try to do my best to help.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:56 AM   #158
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I found this thread while googling the software. I just got the whole ace poker drills package. I am playing 10 and the occasional stab at 25nl. I have played a lot of hands in the last 1/2 year, at least a lot for me. Around 250K. I have been struggling with a lot of things, and even tho I have not yet done a whole lot with it, my first impression is positive. I am guessing it will get me thinking about some things I dont do automatically.

I will come back with a more informed opinion at a later time after I spend more time with it.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:23 PM   #159
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The image below is from a hand where villan raised UTG in a full ring game. How did he mange to have hands like 76o and 43s in his pre flop range in the first place?

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Old 06-25-2012, 07:31 PM   #160
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The image below is from a hand where villan raised UTG in a full ring game. How did he mange to have hands like 76o and 43s in his pre flop range in the first place?
Because sometimes opponents do. Hands are weighted, but if you exclude a hand when constructing a range and say opponent will never have X, then you're putting yourself into a bad spot. So the likelihood is less for certain hands, but it's also not zero.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #161
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Hi, was just curious about the APD equity calculator. It seems like the "load from database" is partially working for me with HM2, but some sessions i can't access.

Just wondering if i needed to update?
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:19 PM   #162
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Try updating. There was a release with some HM2 loading fixes. A couple of sites are causing issue right now. I believe Boss is one of them, and can't remember the other at the moment. If it's still not loading after update, if you can send me some hands from the site you're playing on, that would be helpful.
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:03 AM   #163
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I updated the malware antiybytes, and ran it as a full scan.

i got freaked when it said apd poker drills is a backdoor trojan, and i removed it,, and it said restart the computer now is urgently recommended.

did you make a change recently to how you run it, as it was a recent update with in the last month,, perhaps they found a vulnerability in this program.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:48 PM   #164
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I updated the malware antiybytes, and ran it as a full scan.

i got freaked when it said apd poker drills is a backdoor trojan, and i removed it,, and it said restart the computer now is urgently recommended.

did you make a change recently to how you run it, as it was a recent update with in the last month,, perhaps they found a vulnerability in this program.
Yes, this has been reported by many people. It's not a trojan. Some programs have issues with programs connecting and downloading information from a web server. So they will flag it. There's nothing malicious in there though. It's just going to our web server and getting the latest update.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:38 AM   #165
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Re: Ace Poker Drills



What is going on here? Can't be right, can it?

I chose 4-7% and it said I was wrong.
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:16 PM   #166
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What is going on here? Can't be right, can it?

I chose 4-7% and it said I was wrong.
It's using the 2/4 rule to count outs and approximate equity. It's teaching you how to use it in real time, so the answer in this case is 8%, which is 1% away from the exact answer if you wanted to do all the math at the table. I'd advise watching the short tutorial video from the help menu and reading the pop-ups that explain what the goal of the software is.

We can't do exact equity calculations at the table in real time for multiple reasons. So the goal is to get you as close as possible teaching you simplified methods that are applicable at the table in real time.

FYI, if you click the little calculator icon on the very bottom right hand side of the screen, the internal equity calculator will come up with the calculation already completed for you, so that you can compare the simplified answer against the actual answer. Additionally, there are TWO versions of counting outs and equity in the program. The simple mode which you are using, and an advanced mode which explains how and when to discount outs and adjust the odds/equity conversion.
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Old 07-28-2012, 04:13 PM   #167
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Ah! I see. Was my very first time using it, I apologize.



Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Thanks
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Old 07-29-2012, 08:37 PM   #168
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Is there a way to see the hand ranges the software is giving your opponents in the equity trainer? cuz I find the equities its giving pretty lol unrealistic, meaning its got way different hand ranges for my opponent than what I would give them. Is there away to adjust the hand ranges? If you cant adjust the ranges or see the ranges, I think its pretty worthless.
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Ah! I see. Was my very first time using it, I apologize.



Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Thanks
No, problem. You're welcome. If you have other questions, just let me know.
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:07 PM   #170
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Is there a way to see the hand ranges the software is giving your opponents in the equity trainer? cuz I find the equities its giving pretty lol unrealistic, meaning its got way different hand ranges for my opponent than what I would give them. Is there away to adjust the hand ranges? If you cant adjust the ranges or see the ranges, I think its pretty worthless.
If you click on the plus next to your opponents HUD, you can adjust the hand ranges. A lot of them are weighted, but it doesn't show that in the range/hud itself. There are major updates coming out soon, but for most situations the hand ranges are really close. The primary point is to be getting you to think about hand ranges, and approximating equity.

Under the help menu there's a 5 minute video that explains the equity trainer.
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:14 AM   #171
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If you click on the plus next to your opponents HUD, you can adjust the hand ranges. A lot of them are weighted, but it doesn't show that in the range/hud itself. There are major updates coming out soon, but for most situations the hand ranges are really close. The primary point is to be getting you to think about hand ranges, and approximating equity.

Under the help menu there's a 5 minute video that explains the equity trainer.
ahh, ok cool thanks! Hopefully in the update it shows the weighting. I definitely dont agree with lots of the hand ranges tho (even not being able to see how much they are weighted) they are waaay off, TAGS 4 betting QTo and stuff, calling 54o in the BB vs CO opens, opening 65o UTG etc

This hand is a great example. we open UTG, a 20/16 with a 5% 3 bet, 3 bets us from the CO, we call. We lead an 855 two tone flop, he raises, and we ship and he calls. His range has crap like 86o and 98o in it, lol. I mean I understand that its simplictic in nature, like we arent taking into account our image or what the blinds are like and all those other table considerations, but still.....

The concept of this software is awesome and as far as I could tell from searching its the only one like it on the market. But as such its kind of worthless cuz if you have to edit the hand range for every single hand (and from the dozen or so ive done, its close to every hand) and the fact that in editing the range you cant select suits or weights, you are really just way better off from a time management perspective of just using poker stove.

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internet is crap so cant edit this in previous post since it 30 mins has gone by, but


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also, the math for the "how often does my opponent need to fold" is wrong in the follow up question for the above example. I opened the hint window so I could see the math, and its using a different equity than what the correct answer was for the first part of the question is, and its adding up the bets wrong as well. For example, the pot has 129 in it after we bet the flop and he raises if we shove for 158 he only has to call 115 more, so if he calls our bluff and we win, we win 129+115, not the 129+158 that the software is using.

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ahh, ok cool thanks! Hopefully in the update it shows the weighting. I definitely dont agree with lots of the hand ranges tho (even not being able to see how much they are weighted) they are waaay off, TAGS 4 betting QTo and stuff, calling 54o in the BB vs CO opens, opening 65o UTG etc

This hand is a great example. we open UTG, a 20/16 with a 5% 3 bet, 3 bets us from the CO, we call. We lead an 855 two tone flop, he raises, and we ship and he calls. His range has crap like 86o and 98o in it, lol. I mean I understand that its simplictic in nature, like we arent taking into account our image or what the blinds are like and all those other table considerations, but still.....

The concept of this software is awesome and as far as I could tell from searching its the only one like it on the market. But as such its kind of worthless cuz if you have to edit the hand range for every single hand (and from the dozen or so ive done, its close to every hand) and the fact that in editing the range you cant select suits or weights, you are really just way better off from a time management perspective of just using poker stove.
Thanks, that's where weighting comes in, but to say 98 and things like that will never be in his range is a mistake. Even only if it's 5% 3-bet, certain 3-betting bluffing and semi-bluffing ranges need to be considered. I think that's the part that's always going to give people some difficulty, but I do understand what you're saying.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:16 PM   #174
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internet is crap so cant edit this in previous post since it 30 mins has gone by, but


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also, the math for the "how often does my opponent need to fold" is wrong in the follow up question for the above example. I opened the hint window so I could see the math, and its using a different equity than what the correct answer was for the first part of the question is, and its adding up the bets wrong as well. For example, the pot has 129 in it after we bet the flop and he raises if we shove for 158 he only has to call 115 more, so if he calls our bluff and we win, we win 129+115, not the 129+158 that the software is using.
Wow, yeah you're right about the bet amount. For some reason it's adding in hero's bet. Really strange because I saw this working fine before, but I know there was a recent change. Also, I saw it put the wrong equity in once, but another 10 times it was fine. Thanks though. Having the developer look at this today.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:21 AM   #175
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Ace Poker Drills - Is it worth the money?

Hi,

I'm considering to get Ace Poker Drills. I googled for references and searched at 2+2 but I couldnt find any advice. I just found a guy saying that Ace Poker Drills is wrong sometimes. Is that right?

I basicly want to improve my ability to estimate hand ranges in terms of calculating my equity instinctively right.

So would you recommend to buy this software or do you suggest another one?
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