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Old 09-18-2013, 12:27 PM   #226
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Tried this out of curiosity. Looks like a lot of hard work went into it. That said, I'm not sure where the value is. Doing the odds and outs test I was told that 96cc vs J8o on A82xxc has 24-27% equity when you actually have 19%. I understand that because information is imperfect in poker, there is rarely a need to be precise. But there is a pretty massive difference between 3-1 and 4-1. The outs system you've created is too inaccurate to be useful imo.
There's a simple and advanced mode. The simple mode doesn't get as advanced in counting outs, but the advanced mode will get much closer to an outs count and translate better. There's no perfect system that allows you to translate outs into odds simply because of your opponents cards, removed cards, complicated backdoor scenarios, etc... Some scenarios will have a wider gap than others, but 19 to 24% isn't that large of a gap if you needed some estimation on how often you'd be good. The calculation itself, if you're familiar with odds calculators is pretty complex. Even if you had your opponents hole cards flipped up, you couldn't do it at the table in any reasonable amount of time. This process will get you about as close as you can within a less than 20 second calculation, and actually be used most of the time within a 1 - 6% difference, which is pretty damn good imho.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:47 PM   #227
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This software is great. I've dramatically improved and have gained a lot more confidence. I definitely plan on buying this program.
In the Odds and Outs trainer,
Why am I able to see my opponents hands?
Because we're just focusing on how to work out outs in a perfect scenario. In the equity trainer, you're taking this to the next level by not knowing your opponents hole cards.
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In back door outs, how are flush draws with one gap counted?
I believe as 1.5 - but if you look in advanced mode, it will explain all this.
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When do I know when to count a four of a kind as an out?
When you're looking at set over set. In real life, there are few times you'd consider this really.
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Are hidden and half outs factored in or do I just take note of those?
Click on advanced mode, and it factors in a lot more half outs than simple mode. It also explains the process in more detail.
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Why are cards needed to make a flush counted together as 1.5 outs?
I think you mean backdoor flush outs. That's the approximate outs for those situations. It can be slightly more or slightly less depending on the exact board texture.
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Why are the suited cards you have and see on the board not subtracted from 13 to get the number of outs to get a flush. I see this method on instructional videos and have never seen the method on your program.
They are, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Generally speaking you'll have 9 outs to a flush if you hold two suited cards.
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Old 09-19-2013, 02:45 AM   #228
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Because we're just focusing on how to work out outs in a perfect scenario. In the equity trainer, you're taking this to the next level by not knowing your opponents hole cards.

I believe as 1.5 - but if you look in advanced mode, it will explain all this.

When you're looking at set over set. In real life, there are few times you'd consider this really.

Click on advanced mode, and it factors in a lot more half outs than simple mode. It also explains the process in more detail.

I think you mean backdoor flush outs. That's the approximate outs for those situations. It can be slightly more or slightly less depending on the exact board texture.

They are, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Generally speaking you'll have 9 outs to a flush if you hold two suited cards.

Thanks for answering. I was getting backdoor outs confused with regular outs and was factoring outs that needed the flop and the turn to be completed so I was very confused.
So half outs are already factored in? What about hidden outs?
I found that it is useful for me to use the outs trainer while ignoring the opponents cards and then looking at the opponents cards after getting an initial number of outs to get the right answers to the questions. It helps me since I would like to get the basics down and be able to make some profit playing online before I start investing time into the equity trainer.
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Old 09-19-2013, 05:34 AM   #229
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On some outs, I see equations that involve subtracting outs. For example, I saw one that gave me the equation 10x4-2=38.
When do I subtract outs?

Here is the pic.
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:55 AM   #230
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On some outs, I see equations that involve subtracting outs. For example, I saw one that gave me the equation 10x4-2=38.
When do I subtract outs?

Here is the pic.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/102302767@N08/9815607846/
When you switch to advanced mode, it explains all of this in detail. I'd advise reading through that, since there's several things you'll need to learn from it. I won't list them all here, because it's much better if you just read that pop-up honestly.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:25 PM   #231
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When you switch to advanced mode, it explains all of this in detail. I'd advise reading through that, since there's several things you'll need to learn from it. I won't list them all here, because it's much better if you just read that pop-up honestly.
Yeah, I just wanted to get your response since it does not make it clear as to how one finds out the exact amount to subract.
Do you know how?

Also, I did not full understand your first response.
Are half and hidden outs factored in or do I have to take note of them?

Thanks.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:14 AM   #232
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Sure... but I think you're probably not reading the whole screen because it explains it in detail and provides an example. Read the bottom section here:



12 x 4 = 48 - 4 (number of outs over 8) = 44

The is your adjusted equity.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:31 AM   #233
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Was wondering how your equity trainer compares to the free equity trainer available on equilab. What are the benefits of choosing to pay for Ace Poker Drills over Equilab?
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:03 AM   #234
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Well they tried to copy the idea, but our quiz has some basic AI and changes the ranges automatically based on the action of the table. In their program you it's mainly based on opening ranges, and then you adjusting ranges. APD also systematically focuses on specific scenarios so that you can build pattern recognition such as over pair vs top pair, etc... and you can also import hands you've played from you database into it. APD also tracks your progress, and grades you as you drill yourself.

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Old 12-21-2013, 07:11 AM   #235
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Hi,

APD works great but when I try to connect to a Pokertracker 4 database to use the equity calculator, I can't get it to work (it is my first time ever to try to connect to one of my databases).

When I open the equity calculator and press "load from database" I get asked:"Please select the location for PokerTracker". I then input this path:"C:\Program Files (x86)\PokerTracker 4\PokerTracker4.exe". Then nothing seems to happen. No hands are loaded into the calculator.

In short: How do I connect to a specific database in Pokertracker 4 so I can see those hands in the equity calculator?

Thanks in advance,
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:06 PM   #236
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The equity calculator doesn't connect to PT4 right now. It connects with HM1/2 and PT3. We had some issues with the HH's, so we took it out. I know we're adding support back in at some point, but right now it will not work with PT4.
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:12 PM   #237
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I'm having troubles with the past results. It is not always showing up for some reason, have you seen this before?
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Old 06-08-2014, 12:50 PM   #238
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Sorry, missed this. Can you contact ace poker solutions support with the error you're getting? I have seen this once recently, so it could be a new bug. Thanks.
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Old 12-13-2014, 04:31 AM   #239
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I have been using the pre flop trainer for on-line poker and is doing wonders for my game but was wondering if it has any application for live poker?
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:11 PM   #240
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I have been using the pre flop trainer for on-line poker and is doing wonders for my game but was wondering if it has any application for live poker?
It's primarily designed for online play. It's setup to put you in a lot of common spots fast so you can train and learn quickly. Once you start understanding the goals and the explanations in the hands, then it can easily be adapted to live play. The biggest change between live play and online is the raise sizes and what players will be cold calling with. Those ranges will widen, and sizing will change a bit as far as pre-flop in an average small stakes live game.
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Old 01-09-2015, 02:25 PM   #241
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Does the pre-flop software include situations in which you are not the open raiser?
--If so, is there a way to turn off the advice features and practice your own strategies?
--Just looking for a way to practice clicking buttons (under) various conditions, in a way that mimics an actual (online) poker table.
--Would this be suitable for such training?

(I'm not joking when I say that I am literally just looking for a way to practice clicking buttons, according to my [own] strategy)
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Does the pre-flop software include situations in which you are not the open raiser?
Yes. All scenarios. Pots opened, re-raised, etc...

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--If so, is there a way to turn off the advice features and practice your own strategies?
--Just looking for a way to practice clicking buttons (under) various conditions, in a way that mimics an actual (online) poker table.
--Would this be suitable for such training?
For the pre-flop software, the advice comes up on the bottom post answer. You can just ignore it, but there's no way to turn it off.

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(I'm not joking when I say that I am literally just looking for a way to practice clicking buttons, according to my [own] strategy)

You can try it and see if it meets your needs. You should know after using the trial. But really it sounds like you'd benefit or need something more like a true AI that you can play against and test some play. We have ace poker coach as well, and with that you can turn advice on or off. If you play against the 1/2nl games, you'll find some tough play to play against. It will also save your hands and you can review them, etc.. It sounds like it suits your needs better. It has a 7 day trial as well: http://acepokercoach.com/
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Old 01-11-2015, 12:26 AM   #243
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You can try it and see if it meets your needs. But really it sounds like you'd benefit or need something more like a true AI that you can play against and test some play. We have ace poker coach as well, and with that you can turn advice on or off. If you play against the 1/2nl games, you'll find some tough play to play against. It will also save your hands and you can review them, etc.. It sounds like it suits your needs better. It has a 7 day trial as well: http://acepokercoach.com/
Great, thanks. Didn't realize there was a trial.

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But really it sounds like you'd benefit or need something more like a true AI that you can play against and test some play.
I'm not even looking to do that, I'm just (literally) looking for software that will mimic being at a poker table (online), and let me click buttons. I'll check out the trial for the pre-flop thing, and then later for the poker coach.

As far as the AI goes, it would take a lot for me to trust anything currently being sold, but I would be interested in some kind of post-flop trainer, where I could custom design a situation and then have it put myself up against your AI.

For example, if I could input my range, and say "35 BB's in the pot, the board is KcJd2d8c, I bet 1/3rd pot and I want to get raised (with whatever your AI wants to do that with)", and then have the software deal me various hands that I have in my (custom input) range, and then play them out in real-time, I think that would be really cool. Do you know what I'm talking about?

It would be like the same way situations can be designed in CREV, but w/ real-time poker play. I think this is quite a cool idea, feel free to PM me, if you aren't sure what I mean.
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:04 PM   #244
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Yeah, there's a trial of both so give it a shot.

I understand your comment about the AI. I'd play against it though and you can get a pretty good idea of what it can do. It's a tough little AI that has previously beaten all the top AI in it's field, and you can also program it and set up different kinds of players. I doesn't have a scenario builder like you suggested. But it is something I've thought about. We've recently been adding a scenario quiz section, so it puts you into specific situations to test again, but not the same thing. Ex - I want to face a potential 4-bet bluff situation, or a profitable flop float situation, etc..
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:57 PM   #245
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when is that ace poker coach registration server gonna be working, a little disappointed been over a week now, which means my paid software aint working. Wasnt really looking for bonus courses, make it hurt, throw in leak busters now as the gift.
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:07 PM   #246
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This isn't really the thread for the product, but the license server was put up a couple of days ago (Friday). So you should be able to register it now fine.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:28 PM   #247
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Isnt this a thread about the product, no your servers are not up and neither is my software

and i posted above on sunday and youre telling me its up sicne friday

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Old 02-11-2015, 01:07 PM   #248
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No, it is not the correct thread. You are talking about another product APC. This is ace poker drills.

Any ways, it is up and has been since Friday. You need to go to the website and download the latest version. There was a major issue with that server and it needed to be replaced. So your current version will not connect. You need to update so it will connect and work with the new server. You can contact our support if you have any questions.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:06 PM   #249
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hmm youre right this is the wrong thread sorry i should of searched for that apc thread Great product btw even if i would of never found out i needed to dl another version from my orignal ticket thanks

I do like your stuff and site

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Old 02-11-2015, 08:38 PM   #250
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IT WORKS AWESOME THANKS
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