ANL, before you publicly accuse someone of lying to be your student, you probably should do your research first.

I see no reason why whs1919 would lie to had been your student, and he did have some very good thing to say about you last year (before any scandal):

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Here is the top of one, this was my last session. I did a lesson with you almost every week before this for 8 sessions. Check your notes and maybe you will find me. Let me know if you need more proof lol.

Here is my review for your coaching. I thought you were a good coach. You gave decent advice. The sessions were good because you have a good presence and make it entertaining. I had followed you in the forums for awhile after getting back into poker and I liked some of your advice so I thought I would give you a shot. You seemed like you might be able to improve my game, as I really had only begun playing NL. You taught me about pre-flop play, 3betting, Betsizing, and some other fundamental things. What I realized though was this stuff could be found online somewhere else for less money, and often times better explained.

When it's all said in done your a good coach for beginners, would I pay you $120 if I had to again, no. I can get the same information you gave me and more from some online site. Would I ever recommend you to a beginner on this site? No. Why? Because your a shady business man, a snake oil salesman. You knowingly, and purposefully sold plagiarized material to others. I am surprised 2+2, is letting you still post on here. Who knows what else you sell to your students that is taken from online. I mean like someone said earlier, how do we know your not taking stuff from pokerstrategy.com or some other site and re teaching to students. What would stop you from doing that? Your integrity?

Just re-read thread, do I get the $100, you can use pay pal if you want.

That is fair enough. I said that I "would" bet $100 to a doughnut, which i would only assume does not apply unless we both actually make the bet and agree on it, but I said it and I did in fact mean it.

Thus, what is your email address for paypal?

Also, I am very curious as to where you can find extensive 3 betting material complete with myriads of examples in which to practice, (complete with the ability to ask the material questions as this is vitally important) as well as extensive deepstack material, underbetting as well as overbetting and other topics that I honestly do not find anywhere in books of videos.


Please enlighten the whole group where we can find this material here so we can peruse through that very inexpensive yet wonderful insightful material.


Whether you can (or will) show where this inexpensive material is on the net we will have to wait and see. What I will leave everyone with regarding this topic is that each and every session I give carries a 24 hour money back guarantee. Each and every one. So how can anyone ever lose with a policy like this. Find another live poker coach who will do that. I have not seen an advertised MB guarantee as yet by any other poker coach. If you found material that served you well for less, then gg for you. I wish you the best, honestly.




COACHING FEES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL

From the latest advertisements I have seen, the fees charged by other LIVE coaches are...

Ed Miller $200/hr
Pokercoaching Bill Seymour/Jim Bucci $200/hr
Bart Hanson $200+ last I heard
Ed Hill $150/hr
Barry Tannenbaum $200/hr





ANLpoker $100 for all quiz sessions
$120/hr for 1-2 and 1-3 level
$140/hr for 2/5 levels and above

Multi session discounts can apply

MOney Back guarantee within 24 hours of every session


Most online coaches have very little problem charging $250 upwards of $800 per hour with a subset of good coaches for the microstakes who charge lower more reasonable fees.

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Some gifted players ARE in fact able to take info. from books or videos and apply it, tweaking it to fit their games and may do just fine. The Average player cannot. Most players I find need to ask questions, discuss with ample time concepts they dont quite understand. That is where a coach comes in.

I guess any tennis players could say, I will just study the tennis books and go about becoming a pro in this manner. Wouldn't work for most, would it? I find that 99% of poker players will in fact settle at one limit for years upon years at live poker. Why? Because they have no coach. Why do online players excel thru the limits so fast. Because most have coaches. Its just a plain fact.

I would guess that most 2-5 players in this forum have been at 2-5 for years. Live players do not move up in limit like online. Why? Because hardly any of them have coaches. I can tell you after living in vegas for 32 years that most 2-5 players are there for life and regress backwards as year 15 and 20 come along. If that is all you prefer to do, then so be it. But taking on a professional and settling for mediocrity doesnt seem like a great plan.

First you explicitly called him a liar, and you were proven wrong. Now you are implicitly calling him a liar in a backdoor fashion.

What good is 24 hour going to do? You might as well have a 24 minute money back guarantee, because no one is going to be satisfied 24 minutes after the session and then realize you weren't providing the value you were charging 23 hours later.

Seriously man? It's like community college justifying its tuition by comparing to Ivy League schools.

You are absolutely correct, except you can't even explain how NLH is "art" when you explicitly stated that bet sizing is entirely art and math is irrelevant.

So whatever that is clearly defined is math, and whatever else that cannot be defined (by you) is therefore art?

Again, you are comparing yourself to...tennis coaches?

Do you know why some players make it into NFL and some don't? Because hardly any of them have NFL-caliber coaches. I can tell you after watching football for 32 years that most college players struggle and some even regress backwards to their high school years. If that is all you prefer to do, then so be it. But taking on a professional and settling for mediocrity doesn't seem like a great plan.

Pay him. Pay that man his money

Bill certainly helped me get started in live poker with some general guidelines and concepts. He's a good conversationalist and our discussions were overall enjoyable, but I felt like there was an excessive amount of time spent on basic fundamentals and not enough on specific spots. I was under the impression that the quiz review would be covered in one session, and we would move on to hand history review after the quiz was covered. 3 lessons in however I found we were still discussing quiz concepts like the importance of a good image in live poker which seemed pretty trivial $360 into the program..

He takes a very intuitive approach, but in some ways lacks a solid theoretical foundation IMO.

I also felt he lacked the personal aspect that I'm looking for in coaching. Perhaps it's just because Bill has taken on so many students, but I always felt like he forgot who I was the day after our session lol

I think Bill has a great poker mind and in general gets it right, just thought I'd give my honest review and a testimonial of why I stopped purchasing sessions with him.

Really would like to have had more discussions with Bill, unfortunately I just couldn't justify the investment.

So you thought Bill was a good coach but he coached you as a beginner, that was because you WERE a beginner. You said you were new to nlhe. Did you want him to start you off as an advanced player right off the bat? He taught you "fundamental things" because you were new to no limit.

Although I disagree that you can find everything he coaches on videos, lets assume you can. So what? Is that any reason to try and discredit someone?

You can pay someone to do your taxes or you can look up online how to do them yourself for free. You can also bring your car to a mechanic for a tuneup and pay him, or you can watch online videas on how to do it yourself. You can pay a school to take a photography class, but why spend money when you can watch youtube videos and learn for free?

Do you also protest outside of H&R Block with picket signs saying you can watch videos to learn how to fill out your tax forms for free? Do you see how dumb that sounds?

If you are upset that ANL included two essays in his package that he didnt write, thats one thing. But saying he is a bad poker coach because he taught you, a beginner to no limit holdem, basic NL concepts that could be found elsewhere for free is just dumb.


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It's nothing but a number game to you.

You don't care about your students, only the profit that they bring to you.

And please, stop PMing me. If you have something to say, please do so here.

I downloaded your free essay on set mining. It was garbage.

So I am not sure where you found most of your argument, but it is wrong. I didn't say he was a bad poker coach. In fact I think I actually called him good. If I made any reference to him being bad, it was probably in regards to him being on a higher level.

Honestly too if it wasn't for the whole plagiarizing thing, I would have recommended him to people, and at a later point probably gone back for coaching from him. Now I wouldn't recommended him, because I think you should be able to trust the people your hiring, and I don't think he is a trustworthy individual. That's my opinion, so I am expressing it in his coaching thread so others can see it and come to there own conclusion on whether to hire him.

Why any successful poker player would waste valuable time bashing a great coach like Bill is confusing to me. If you're a successful player, person you wouldn't waste time in your life to bash, hate on another successful player. Which to say the least says a tremendous amount about the complete haters on this thread.

If Bill was a bad coach, a bad person, an unethical person he would not be the great coach that he is--imo, he just wouldn't. He'd be like the people bashing him in this thread.

He has taken me from a .50/1 6max player online to a 2/4 and 3/6 6max regular. I have been working with him since January of this year. I went to him because I was moving up to 5/10 and the stacks were going to be deeper than my 100bb games prior.

His style and approach at the poker table is the best I have ever been across. I have been on CardRunners (which was very good fwiw) and I've been on DC. I have abandoned both, committed to Bill and I'm destroying games. I'm destroying them.

The approach that most poker players come with, whether you are a fish, pro, decent reg or whatever...Bill exploits the heck out of all em. It's beautiful, it truly is.

And as a serious player, I'm happy that so many of you hate on him It just means that when we meet...I and other students of Bill will exploit you.

Bill is a good dude. I've been with for almost a year and I consider a good friend and I think he is very professional, unlike what I see in this thread.

Don't any of you listen to Jay Z? Don't get jealous...that's a female trait.

Dear Bill,

I just finished up another solid week (was able to put in over 50 hours at the tables this week) at the card room. Man, it feels great to be able to play poker for a living, and I wanted to say "thank you" again for all your help getting me to where I am today. True, I have worked and continue to work hard, but without you I don't think I would've come close -- and I'm positive it would've been a much slower and more confusing path in any case.

I wanted to let you know that I'm discovering more and more situations to pick up dead money and also build up big pots and then steal them. The way everything comes together perfectly sometimes during a hand…I don't know…it's like poetry, man. The way you've taught me to improve my pre-flop strategies, and then outplay villains post-flop by tracking their ranges and tendencies, use creative bet sizing to help with hand-reading, manipulate the pot vs. different types of villains to make them do what I want (fold or call)…I don't know how to explain the feeling, but it's just a beautiful thing. You'll also be happy to hear I'm getting better at estimating on the spot my equity + fold equity and taking on aggressive lines that work incredibly well. I'm seeing more and more of those spots where, "I really don't care if they fold or call."

In addition to your excellent coaching, thank you for your patience, your good humor, and most of all for believing in me through thick and thin.

Can't wait to talk some more hands with you at our session this week!

Given the recent posts, I wanted to once again offer for consideration my personal experience with Bill Hubbard as my coach. As always this is unsolicited. I'm doing it because Bill has been so helpful to me in poker, and is such a good guy, I feel compelled to share.

I could write here how Bill took me from a break even / slightly winning player to a confident, successful, consistently winning player. I want to offer something else though.

My experience with Bill has shown him to be a man of integrity who truly cares about his students. Bill is the kind of person who would actually tell a paying student poker is not for them if he believed that to be true, despite it taking money out of his pocket in doing so. That is a fact.

Bill is also the kind of person who will alert you if you overpay. For example, in my package deal on sessions - if I happen to make an accounting mistake - Bill alerts me to it. When we check each others records periodically to see how many sessions we have left - Bill has already said no, you have 4 left according to my records, not 3.

Another thing that I can say I know about Bill, 100% for a fact, is that he takes a personal interest in his students. It really is like having a cornerman in there with you - rooting for you, being there with you through the big wins and tough beats, spotting mistakes, helping you improve in play and mindset. A guy who sincerely wants to you get to your desired goal, and is very motivated to help you make it happen.

It's really great to know that's the kind of man I'm working with as a coach / poker mentor.

Did you change names/small details in the article?

For you new prospects, here is an interview by my protege Justin Oliver on High Roller Radio after his 2nd place finish WSOP final going for his second bracelet.

Simply click on FULL INTERVIEW under name Justin Oliver.

http://highrollerradio.net/interviews_6.html






This will give you an insight to what you are really searching for on this thread, and that is what ANLpoker can really do for you if you are willing to work.

This is the important stuff.

Additional note: I take on any level to begin with. 25nl online players through 600nl 6max multitabling and 5-10 live deep stack full ring.

More interviews fully showing the "before and after" reviews of newbie Justin Oliver beginning ANLpoker through first bracelet win 3 years later after a rigorous 6 hour per week grinding sessions with ANLpoker.com.




2---Here is the WSOP interview (last 3 minutes are about ANLpoker coaching) by Justin after first bracelet win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awRBDHGJe8A




3---Finally here is the newbie review of Justin only 3 months after beginning ANLpoker coaching. See that dramatic change from newbie to bracelet winner in just a short 3 years.

http://anlpoker.com/Testimonials



Many may think that this was a one time fluke. The 200,000 WCOOP win on Pokerstars, both 300,000 and 333,000 wins at the WSOP plus a crushing live record over past several years + approx 4bb/100 winrate over hundreds of thousands of hands on Pokerstars 600nl and 1000nl multitabling 6max would say different.

Note: See Justins first review of ANLpoker only 3 months after beginning to see the chart of where he was losing at 10nl online when he met ANLpoker.com.


Usually most would assume that the coaching was only a tangential reason for such success. Listen to the High Roller Interview above and make your own judgement if this was the case.


If you would like to contact other ANLpoker students who have risen VERY quickly from 1-2 to through 2-3 and on the crushing 2-5 for samples of 1000-1500 hours, simply email bill@anlpoker.comfor their email addys. They are more than happy to tell you about what ANLpoker did for them. I have a ton of very grateful students and I am thankful for each one.

Are players able to rise through the limits on their own without coaching? A few do yes. But if you take a look around, I think you see what I see. I see a sea of grinders at 1-2, 1-3, 2-5 and 5-10 who remain there for years upon years. Why? No structured program which will plug away at increasing your game skill. That is where coaching comes in. You be the judge as to whether you need coaching. If you have been working hard, reading books, watching videos and playing your heart out, yet you are dissatisfied overall with your outcome, the coaching is most likely a great avenue for you. Contact bill@anlpoker.com and I will help you in any/all ways that I can.

Focus on playing optimally and when satisfied you did, then dismiss the results.





Before and after coaching results over time is a guaranteed indicator of your coaching program. Be sure to be careful selecting your poker coach should you decide to pursue coaching. My coaching program, integrity and honesty can and should be verified by students who have had a close relationship with me for 1+ years. Email me for their email addys and I will be glad to forward to you.

This will give you an insight to what you are really searching for on this thread, and that is what ANLpoker can really do for you if you are willing to work.

This is the important stuff.

This +1

Do you think if he had more coaching or had read the original essay package he might have come in first? Was there any essays he read which are no longer included? Also, can you discuss how mechanical his 3betting was before and after his coaching? What could he do to win 1st place next time? Would it be possible to play with you in person so I can decide if you are right for me?

Sorry for so many questions, I understand if you are too busy to answer.

Lol u got serious issues dude. U should get help. That psychotic hardon u have for bill has got to be uncomfortable.

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I let Bill answer but it's pretty clear he is just going to dodge this question and over and over.

Bill, when people say you are a shady snake oil salesman, this is the type of shady stuff you do (and not admit to) behavior they are talking about.

This is a PM he sent me. Before he started bragging about how much money he makes and challenging me HU4rollz.

Now I'm done with this thread. People can do their own research and make their own decisions based on plenty of information in this thread.

Accuracy would be everything. We had a poker group and poker partner of mine thought he could improve on the article. I thought he would redo completely but when i saw names were being changed only I had him stop. This was my private material and so why would i change the names back?

Anyone with one grain of common sense could see that nobody would ever in life try to defraud the public by only changing a few names. This was an accident, it has been agreed and satisfied due the owner of the article and all those trying to keep it alive just simply do not have a life IMO.

And it wouldnt matter if I made the changes myself. This was done long before I ever thought about coaching and it was a one page article (and one other) buried in a 25 page essay packet. I am flat out guilty of not proofreading all before selling to make sure something like this couldnt happen, but I didnt. It was a mistake, it has been paid for. I will not respond more on this topic.

No my personal hater group is posting PMs. I think the PM means private message. But, you guys are not held to the same standard as I would be, correct?

Any questions regarding this completely closed issue can be sent to my email address found on the OP.

I copy and pasted a PM you sent me. Somehow I got it wrong.

This is the pm I got...

I too am done. This man is a class act and emotionally stable.

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You moronic embecile. The article was modified by a poker friend who thought he could modify the article and make it better. I stopped him when I saw what he was doing and thru pure moronic laziness I did not change it back because it was only for my notes. LONG BEFORE I EVER THOUGHT about coaching.

My literary person 2 yrs later grabbed my notebook and did the proofread and made teh essays and once agian i was lazy and did not go thru it to make sure something like this didnt happen.

Now ive got you stooopid morons trying to hang me for his mistake. Do what u like idiot., Do anything you like. Have at it.

I am so successful that it is, and my students love me. Thats what really counts. You losers just do what u feel u need to do even if you are barking up the wrong tree.

You ARE crucifying and attacking the wrong guy. But you cannot believe my story now can you? That would put a brake on all your plans and we are not having that are we?

Karma baby, ur doing wrong and it WILL come back to you. Probably already has Im guessing. My business is booming. My students think you guys are pathetic losers lamenting over such a small issue regardless of fault. And more are coming saying they only heard of me thru the grapevine of all this hubub.

You guys really are losers doing this. I create crushers and that happens to be the truth---you moron. You just wont believe the players when they spit the reviews right in your face."

Hopefully I survive the karma... You seem like a positive and intelligent man

FINAL NOTICE

As apparently there is a nucleus of players who cannot let the article debacle go, here is my final word on the matter since I have already completely squared it with BalugaWhale.



Regarding the two articles in my essay packet; Yes - I made a mistake. I regret it, I'm sorry for it, and I've made it right with Andrew and we went away with a friendly smile, the both of us. My conscience is clear.

No limit holdem, especially live is absolutely an art form. Of course there is math involved, and so is psychology and a number of other skills, but pulling all of those skills together in the right proportions and applying them at the right time is nothing less than art. If you don't think that way, you aren't doing it right.

Look, I've had hundreds of students over the past 4 years. I've helped every one of them get better at their game, and I offer a no-risk, money back guarantee on every session. Many of my students have posted in this thread and others are available by arrangement to anyone who is serious about using my coaching services. I don't take bad players and make them break-even. I take students who are committed and help them become great in the games that they play. My student's success is my success, and that's all that's really important to me.

All further replies of mine will be to prospects who have legitimate questions regarding my coaching program. No others need addressing unless chosen to.