TWO NO LIMIT HOLDEM COACHES ANALYZE 8 HANDS

You analyze the hands as well and be the judge. Actual results to the hands are given in the very next reply.



Coaches

Bill "AintNoLimit" Hubbard

Andrew "BalugaWhale" Seidman



1.

5-10 NL live in Las Vegas. Short-handed. Overbet jam on river. I have a boat?
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Villain in this hand is capable and non-******ed.

Effective stacks are ~1300
Folds to Villain in the SB who raises to 35. I call in the BB with Q T

Flop: J 6 6

Check, check.

Turn: Q

Villain checks. I bet 60, Villain Check-raises to 140, I call.

(I probably should have folded turn, but forget about this street. It's not the street in question.)

River: Q

Villain shoves.


My question:
1) Can we run some math on this? How large does the shove need to be before its a fold? Can someone assign some basic ranges to this hand and justify a fold?

So I need to call approx 1125 to win $1125 + 350 = 1475.
So I need to be winning 1125/2600 or 43% of the time.

Am I that ever here given action?

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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 1: this one is good!
AINTNOLIMIT: Thank you sir.

Thus Andrew agrees with Bill on this one.


AINTNOLIMIT: Im sure this is contrary to popular vote, but a thinking 5-10 player knows V has a Q here and overbet shoves this huuge riverbet because he has somehow QJ ---but most likely 66.

IF he is a competent player, he made this sizing for a reason ---and that reason is he knows we have the Q. When this happens --and I dont care how rare 66 is---when he does this, he has the 66 maybe 95 times out of 100 trials.

Thus, I fold. We are calling HOPING for a chop AND he has zero reason to believe we would ever in life fold a Q.

With all these facts to rely on, Im not going to bow up and say I cant fold a Q here simply because its top full. When the evident says you are crushed, I listen to it.

And yes, 3-5 times out of 100 he may show a Qx somehow. I wouldnt care less.







2.



2/5 JJ deep vs lag
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villain: has been playing about a ~75 vpip ~25 pfr, pretty wild lag. this guy is an extreeeeemly aggro lag maniac, has been showing down huge pots with one pairs, Ace highs , etc.. has the table playing way looser than they are used to , calling him down 3 streets with their AK's no pairs , etc, .. however i noticed also when he gets a really good hand like AA/KK/qq etc he 3! huge pre/4!/5! even , and pot pot pots pots .. does not care about the board basically just takes his premo hand and pot pot pot.. he was running really hot for a bit too and was up to almost

1,000bb about , 20 hands earlier, and has spewed down to about 400bb where he is now.

when he doesnt 4! me pre, i am very confident my JJ is the nuts pre. Pretty great flop for us. He leads flop pretty small which is standard , i 3! him positive im good unless he miracle flopped, and he just flats which is another strong indicator that i am good on this flop.

If he flopped something like 2pr he is going to raise me allday, knowing that i am repping an overpair and that he has a crazy loose image. I really doubt he had the capacity to bet/flatcall... so he just flats and the turn comes a pretty scary card for my range.

but then he checks the turn. Which i was really happy to see. If he just bombed the turn here t wouldve been a very hard decision.He checks so I just check it back. River blanks.




$2/$5 No Limit Hold'em

Hero (BTN): $1550.00
BB: $1400

Pre Flop: ($7) Hero is BTN with J J

2 folds, CO raises to $20, Hero raises to $60, 1 fold, BB calls $60, CO folds

Flop: ($122) 6 T 8

BB bets $75, Hero raises to $165, BB calls $90

Turn: ($472) 9
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($472) 5

BB bets $1175 all in, Hero ?

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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 2: You refer to JJ as "such a marginal hand" which sounds like absolute-value-thinking to me. Against this guy (one whom even you believe you should call down with one pair on a 4-straight board), I am ecstatic to play a big pot.

AINTNOLIMIT: We are 300bb deep and when a super maniac donks 2/3 pot on a T 8 6 board, I myself am not stoked about raising and fading a 3 bet (which i have no idea what his range would consist of at this time) with JJ. The hero pot controlled the turn as I would, and then I read the 1175 shove into 472 on river
correctly for the call when most of the forum went the other way folding.

This was an easy call for me on the river and was the crux of the hand IMO.

Getting in 300bb starting on the flop raising with JJ as a slight overpair would not be in my gameplan especially not knowing the villains range really in this particular spot. Raising the flop has to open the door for the villain to value huge as well as semi bluff huge (promoting a 300bb decision) in retaliation and I dont know which it would be as I dont know him that well on this type of board.

I have to stick with that myself but again, the river call was the main issue IMO here.








3.

2/5 , can't seem to shake this hand... 99 flops OESD
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ive had this hand from last night bouncing around in my mind all day , cant seem to forget it ..

2/5 eff stacks $1k , wild action table , raises are $50-$90 preflop often, 3!'s are usually to $180-240, but i am still an unknown and have only raised a couple hands. I have shown down one hand with AQ and doubled up in my first couple orbits vs a lagdonk.

Villain1 in this hand is the biggest stack at the table with $3-4k . I have not seen him showdown any hands but have seen him raise quite aggressively on flop/turn and had a few people fold. He seems decent and the table seems to respect him.

i get 9 9 in HJ , lagdonk limps from EP, i raised to $35 , Villain1 OTB flats , the lagdonk limper flats

flop (~$110) 6 7 8 .. i love this flop.

lagdonk checks, i bet $75 , button calls , lagdonk folds.

turn ($255) A ..

hero ??



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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 3: You'd barrel the turn to get your opponent off the handful of combos of TT-JJ that don't have a diamond (not v many) and instead get absolutely mauled by flushes, two pairs, AT, etc. Seems like classic "not sure where I am so I guess I bet". Turn is almost certainly a c/f, but if you really think that villain bluffs with 9x (and 8x, 7x, etc.) then it could be a relatively happy c/c. But betting seems like the worst option by far.


AINTNOLIMIT: Interesting. What range do you place the BTN villain on flatting this flop only? Flush draws, two pairs and sets? He didnt raise them on the flop? He flops a flush draw maybe 5-6% the time and raises the nut/combo draws on flop a reasonable % so yes, I have him on mid PP, single pairs, Pair+SD some, and a few flush draws sprinkled in.

And thus yes, I would barrel turn folding many one diamond pairs + slight overpairs as that is the bulk of the V range IMO. (Not flush draws nor sets and two pair) We are definitely off on our assessment of villains range there and then obviously creates a different line to be taken.

Checking here to me allows the V to do whatever he pleases with single pairs and single diamonds as he should never think we would check a flush there. And I do not believe flush draws / sets etc. to be the larger chunk of his range. Not even close IMO.






4.

T9cc in MP
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$2/$5 FR (9 Handed) Hero gets dealt T 9 in MP with $850 stack.

UTG (somewhat TAG but on the looser side) raises to $15/$300. UTG+1 calls/$350 (Tight/Passive). Hero calls (Playing TAG but on a looser side today) $15. Two more callers in LP.

SB (relatively ABC TAG but a bit station-y) raises to $40/$470. BB Folds. Villain 1 calls. Villain 2 calls. Hero calls. Two LP players also call.

Flop ($245): 8 6 4

SB C-bets, $130/$430.

Villain 1 folds. Villain 2 folds.

Hero?
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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 4: This one is actually also right - i missed giving you a point on this one. My fault.


AINTNOLIMIT: Thank you sir.

AINTNOLIMIT: Take whatever line will give the higher FE. There probably is no FE here at all, but still I would take a shot at it by raising cbet to $295/call. Im representing the pseudo-minraise that players do with the nuts. Probably doesnt matter but still if anyone folded even 1-3% the time by outthinking themselves, then its higher EV for us than shoving. I dont see players folding overpairs to insta-shoves as they are transparent semi-bluffs to most OR better put, I think i get a few more % folds by the small raise on flop.







5.

Crazy action - 2/5$ - lost
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Table is playing very loose in general.
Almost every pot is strattled otb. Stacks range from $500 - 3k+
Just viewed a 2k+ pot shipped to bottom pair. (Action was 3b pot that went heads up. 3b player barreled 3 streets and was all in otr on a A57-J-10 board V calls w K5o to scoop)

Hero viewed as ABC $1900~
V.1 rock/tag $1500~
All other V super lag 500-3k$

V1 Utg +2 opens for 20$
Mp raises to $60
4 callers to hero in bb w 55 calls $60
Utg +2 re raises to $180
5 callers to hero who calls

Pot $1260
Flop KK5

Now this may seem like an obvious action but I was truly perplexed on the BEST action.

Hero?
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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 5: This is like the least likely game ever for it to get checked through, and apparently also a game in which somebody who picks up a FD / SD on the turn and binks river is always going broke. So, putting a bet in on the flop seems criminal. Your reasoning behind betting seems to be to protect your hand from 22-1 shots (some of which are lower than your 55 btw), which seems pretty bad when you've got a table of so-called "super lag" players ready to pour money in.

AINTNOLIMIT: I see multiway hands checked through on the flop. (Which is why I wont allow it). Many times players play super straightforward when multiway with fewer bluffs and fewer stabs. I wasnt freaked about a check through, but many weak players slowplay in EP if they have trips here looking for someone else to bet and Im not letting that happen. If i donk for 1/4 pot all sorts of great things can happen here both as value as well as bluff. We are 400bb deep with some at 300bb and others covering us. Im getting the ball rolling here myself right on the flop.

And notice, the flop DID in fact go checked thru as I thought it certainly could in live multiway pots. I find that super deep when flopping the nuts its best to get money on in as allowing any street to check thru like this was criminal to me. I would have easily won this hand big with my line, and hero lost the pot by getting fancy and checking the flop.









6.

AKc facing huge 3-bet shove
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1/2 cash game.

Straddle in the table. We don't have any info on the player in the straddle.

Dealt with AKc.

UTG limps 5$.

Hero raises only to 20$ since he is in on the btn.

Player in the straddle shoves 165$. UTG folds.

Do you call or fold in this case? I mean when you don't have an image on the Villain.

I called, but probably in cash games it is not EV+ to spread so many chips with AKc.


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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 6: An unknown (willing to straddle) who randomly shoves 82bb in preflop is either a guy with the stone nuts, or he's a guy who is there to get his degen gamble on. Given that you block the stone nuts and that you don't need him to be the degen guy very often, I'm pretty sure this is an easy call. Also it's a straddle pot so it's basically 33bb preflop, which makes it an uber-snap.

AINTNOLIMIT: OP says the table is playing passive with nobody overplaying hands or spewing. He said this later before I posted. You might have missed this. I think so.

This villain shoved 82bb over a $20 raise in a 1-2 live game with passive players only? I wouldnt call that with someone elses money. Seriously. And please note: The AVG. 1-2 player does not adjust mentally to the straddle making the game 41bb deep instead of 82bb deep. He sees his $200 stack as $200 unless he is a 2+2 er and the like. When he shoves his stack, its almost always AA KK IMO esp when there is very little in the pot. Thats just my opinion but I feel very strongly about it.







7.

Deep-stack with KK
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Effective stacks £800. £1/2 table, but everyone is straddling so essentially playing like a 2/5 game. Lots of money on the table, plenty of action but no spazz-tards.

Hero (£800) on the Button: White, middle-aged guy, dressed like a banker. Mainly 'cause he's a banker. Started out with £400 and doubled up but not by winning any big pots. I haven't had to show down any bluffs. If anyone is paying close attention they'll notice I am rarely (if ever) in a hand with junk when I'm out of position. I have only 3-bet once pre-flop in the last hour or so and everyone folded.

Villain (£1600) Big Blind: Table's big winner has been playing fairly aggressively but always seems to have the goods when called. Hasn't shown a single bluff that I've seen. That said, won the majority of his stack in one huge three-way pot with pocket Kings vs JT on a KTTxx board. He has three-bet once or twice in the last couple of hours (including with the Kings hand).

Hero is on the button. Loose/agro UTG1 player (been the most active and 'gambily' at the table)- makes it ¥12. Two callers, and folds to me. I three-bet to £45.

(tough spot here - if anyone has been paying attention, they should realize I'm not 3-betting light or just squeezing with some raggy suited ace. I don't want to blow people out of the hand, which is what I think happens if I make it £60 or more).

Villain 4! to £120. Folds to us on Button.

We could fold, flat, 5!, or ship. Merits/demerits for each line?

I 5! to £295.

Villain 6! ships. Pot is about £1,100, £500 for us to call.

Nobody does this with QQ or worse, right?

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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 7: This one is particularly rough. There's no real explanation of *why* you want to 5-bet CIB, other than that it allows you to fold to his 6-bet (which I'm still not 100% convinced is correct even after you 5-bet). You don't mention the fact that, once he makes it 120, it's 75p with 680 behind (in other words, you have set odds), or that if he's ever bluffing, flatting could allow him to bluff off in a significant way. Unless he flats your 5-bets OOP (unlikely I think), letting him bluff / value own himself / keep stacks deep is almost certainly the better option. I'd only 5-bet KK there if I was stoked about seeing a raise.

AINTNOLIMIT: This is a patented play of mine (at least I have never heard or seen anyone else tout this play) when this deep and the villain is the normal live player who is not Brian Rast caliber. This is 1-2 live, with a villain who I am quite sure will not shove 400bb with AK, nor QQ. I click back 5 bet small since I feel that its fine to place 20% stack in pot and fold when you are certain you are up against AA. Here in a 1-2 game if you click back to 230 over a villains 4 bet from blinds and he 6 bets, that is AA like 100% of the time. No white blackbirds mixed in there anywhere. AA is it. He will call or fold with AK, flat with QQ and 6 bet with AA.

I have done this as well as have had students doing this in live games successfully for a several years with great success reading players perfectly. Another close friend who plays at the Aria 3k 5-10 daily totally disagreed with me on this one, then 6 months later he apologized and said he has adopted the play since the V (even good ones) follow the line that I predicted all too often, allowing him to read them perfectly and pwn them with this play.

It works great except for some rare occasion you are playing villains on even higher levels who have seen your play a few times. Then - you may have to vary it. If you believe you know EXACTLY how the villain will react to the click back, then its a cinch from that point on.





8.

$2/$5 NL: Critique my flop semi-bluff
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$600 eff. I can haz 33 in CO. My image = TAG. HJ raises to $20. Only I call. V is a young, competent TAG who widens range substantially in LP. He also c-bets a high % of the time.

HU to the Flop: 4h5c6h Pot ~ $50
HJ c-bets $30...................

I raise to $120. I haven't raised anyone's c-bet since I sat down at this table which is 3-4 hours.

Good, bad? Why?


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BALUGAWHALE: Hand 8 we have already discussed.

AINTNOLIMIT: I have to assume that you agree that flatting 33 on button vs wide CO range is -EV IF set mining only which was the assumed situation here. If not let me know as that was my position as well. I would normally flat due to creative play post, but thats irrelevant for the OP in this forum I figured. Normally I do not get into higher level creative postflop plays with tiny pairs in the LSNL forum as much of the time the OP in this forum will not be on that level. I felt fairly sure that when the OP flatted here he was set mining only and it that assumption was incorrect, I would easily apologize and give a different answer.


AINTNOLIMIT: (reply in the thread) Fold preflop unless you see two others grabbing chips to call as well.

Raising flop is "meh" as it will never "hardly" fold out better.

I would flat flop and expect V to never barrel air on turn unless a paint/ace hits the turn.

I dont really understand the discussion of FE since I honestly doubt the villain folds 88 99 and better. Maybe he folds Ace/pair on board some, but thats a teenie part of his range. Lets look into the future. V calls with TT. Turn brick. V checks.

Now what? If we bet, I still say the villain calls often since the draw missed. If we check, we just signed a contract to lose the pot 80%+ the time on river. Rarely do players go ahead and give credit to sets etc, when draws miss. I think we get true credit for exactly what we have--a draw.


I hope this was at least enjoyable for those taking the time to read and compare, making their own assessments as they go along. The process that I use when making each street decision is honed to a sharp edge IMO. For this reason I have an inordinate high % of spot on hand reads, thus optimal decisions. This is why I was adamant on many of the above hands like the quad 6 hand specifically. This was 6666 all day in my book. Others dismiss quickly as a cooler and lose their gigantic stack. I wouldnt.



Bill "AintNoLimit" Hubbard

Note: I am in the process of making a 4 part 100 question quiz. The quiz will be made up of 25 hands per segment, along with the actual results. These will be real hands, mostly from various 2+2 forums where I can list the actual link to. While short term results mean little, a test of 100 hands with results should hold at least a fair amount of weight thus the contestant can paper out his EV answer as well as check the actual results to see how he would have fared in real time play. I look forward to completing this monumental task of documenting the 100 hands in question. These ALL will be very tough hands. A super tough quiz it will be for sure.

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Thanks

RESULTS to the above, should anyone be interested in them.



HAND 1- VILLAIN HAD 66


HAND 2- villain has Ac 2c


HAND 3 - OP actually called the $150 on the turn , river came K

OP checked and villain bet $375 and OP folded



HAND 4- Spoiler:

The OP wrote:

It seems that folding on flop this hand would be bad. So it's between flatting, raising and shoving.

Hero shoved. The two LP players folded and was back on Villain. V tanked for a long time. The other EP players folded out of turn waiting for V to make a decision. V finally called. Turn A . River 2 . Hero shows. Villain shows A Q and scoops.

I also like the comment about raising maybe better then shoving here, something for me to think about.

Thanks all.




HAND 5-

OP wrote:

This game as a whole is by far the most active game I play in my area. People buy in deep and reload deep.

Most of the player pool are actually good thinking players who play deep comfortably and like action. There are a few bit pocket lag tards. I tend to sit back and try not to OVER gamble but at this game it's difficult not to want to splash around in a lot of pots as if it were an aggressive bingo game.

Many times I'm in the co-bb with very mediocre hands 92s 104s 57o Q9o etc... With an ep raise to 25-40 and there's 6 callers to me. ( Theres very little squeeze success when the game is in full juicy mode.). Naturally this is a solid fold. But when you know if you bingo 2p + it's pay day. (Gamble kicks in)

There's def something to be said about just mucking my 55 pre flop here. And in most games I feel fine doing so, but at these super deep, over juicy, gamooler lag conventions folds are hard to find. ( probably a leak)

I was first to act and like I said earlier was confused/excited/ boner tilting table mode. And with out tanking to long giving up info on my hand I felt that a c/r would be ideal.
Thinking MOST Kx hands bet something here. The rock W/ JJ+ possibly looking for the Kx hands takes a 2-300$ stab.

I checked and action went as follows
Check
Check
Check
Check
Check
Check

I cried a little inside but hey.. I'm pretty sure my boat is quite nutty and I'm betting out on the turn. "F all this checking." Rings out in my head.

Turn.... K
Board. KKK 5
Now the boner is gone my posture slouches and I'm check folding.

I checked the rock leads for $450

Action behind him jams for $12-1300 all day and the rock tank calls.

Rock. -JJ
MP. - QQ

I'm thinking I was possibly destined to lose this hand.
Considering the showdown cards a c-bet for any thing less than all my chips is most likely getting called by one of them and game over.

This post wasn't intended for a "boohoo" for me look I lost a hand "did I play bad"
It was purely intended for deep post flop nutt stragety. I'm glad my thoughts were on point with the masses.

Thanks all





Note: Watch for my new advanced 100 hand quiz complete with real results in order to paper out your EV and compare to actual results as well. The hands that make it to the quiz will be very tough. All routine hands will be eliminated.

Thanks again Bill, for everything you've done for me to help me improve. Every dollar invested has paid huge dividends. I look forward to talking again soon over Skype. Keep doin what you do brotha!

Bill,

Thanks for the extra time you spend with me during our first session. It was enlightening and rewarding.

The information you sent me after the session was not only good poker material but also entertaining.

I have a complete library of poker books. Many of them have useful information and many not so good. I have to admit that some of the books have helped my poker playing. The information in them never seems to be complete through. That can create confusion at the poker table and we all know the results of confusion.

In the past, I have taken poker lessons from two other coaches and the end result was a waste of time and money. In the last three years, I interviewed and turned down four poker coaches.

I learned more from you in the first 20 minutes of our first session than I learned in 24 lessons with the other coaches. What you teach is eye opening and your style of teaching gives me a crystal clear understanding.

In my last three sessions at 1-2, my win rate is $136.00 an hour. Session one I had a great table to play at, the second session, I ran good and the third session; I was card dead and still won $110.00. I know that win rate will come down considerably but a big part of my winnings came from using a couple of things you gave me in our first session.

We just finished my second coaching session and that cleared up some situations that I didn’t know what to do with. Once you explained how to handle those situations, the light bulb went on.

What a pleasure it is to find someone that not only understands the game but knows how to teach it too.

Hey dizeerascal,

If you were one of his students, you would understand the positive reviews.

can you give me an example of these "lightbulb" moments? To me it just sounds like you're someone who knows very little about poker and you've been told something like why you shouldn't open K2o utg

Regards to this if I was coached by someone as good as you say ANL is the last thing I would want do is post how good he is in his thread .... call me selfish but I don't want everyone else I may play against learning all there is to know about poker in 20 minutes

ty ty Ken, much appreciated sir!

Hey Bill,
One of the aspects of what you've taught me that has helped tremendously this last week is keeping a cool head at the table. I'm posting this now because I've struggled with it - not so much tilting, but becoming sheepish with squeezing and 3-beting when losing. I had a tendency to throw the book out the window in the face of adversity, and dial back to ABC.

After this 50 hour week, with 30+ of those hours being tough beats and coolers, I took your advise and never relented on the gameplan. Adjusted, yes, but never stopped opening or squeezing when appropriate, never stopped barreling certain flop textures, etc. Never give up.

If it wasn't for your encouragement, as you know I wanted to just hang it up for the week and deal with the monetary loss.

However, you let me know it's about decisions, not money.

Holding that idea, I ended with recovery of the entire week's "runbad" plus a small profit.

Thanks Bill!

What's the typical response time for an e-mail sent to Bill? I paid for the introductory quiz, but I do not have the required software to run it. I'm waiting for either an alternative way to take the quiz or a refund on my money.

You can upload it to Google Drive as a Word Doc. Once it's in there you can click it to view in read-only mode. Once it loads there should be an option menu to Open and that will convert it to a google doc file format and let you edit [answer the questions]. Good luck, for a "Beginner Quiz" it's extremely tough.

You will need to email me if there are any issues. I dont have any emails outstanding as of now.

Email Bill@anlpoker.com and I will give you the quiz right in the body of the email OR refund the $15 whichever you prefer.

I apologize for any inconvenience caused by my Word doc. and your particular system. I was not aware though as I have no email to that effect that I know of. I may move to google drive in the future.

Response time is usually within 24 hours as I am in sessions most of the day.

Bill is outrageous.

I have had two sessions with him (in addition to reading his essays). Already he has questioned and debunked some of my fundamental poker beliefs, and provided excellent and sound reasoning as to why.

Just reading the essays has ALREADY reduced my tilt and made me much more accepting of variance and bad beats.

I already have at least THREE new strategies, which I will repeat and repeat as I can see the value in them.

I shouldn't be on here - I don't want you to use Bill as your coach - honestly. I want him for myself. Seriously. But I owe it to him I guess to tell you all that he's good. He's damn good. I cannot wait for my next session - 6 days :-/

Also very reasonably priced compared to other quotes I've seen for someone who is so clearly made for live cash game coaching.

He's also very personable, easy to speak with, and although he will make you think and question your answers, I never feel any question is a stupid question.

FYI I do my session over skype. Very good.

If you want to get better at NLHE, train with Bill. I just wish I could fast forward so I have a lot more than two sessions under my belt!!!!

To dizeerascal, I don't get you, why you hating so much? Fair enough I understand you may be sceptical, hell, even I was at first, but could it be that you're wrong, and Bill actually is a great coach, and the reason that his students are singing his praises is actually because

1) they want to show their appreciation and
2) the likelihood of playing another player coached by bill is pretty damn Low (even if he gets more students the man can only train a limited number, there's only so many hours in a day)?

If you've considered coaching, but haven't gone for it, or want to hear first hand about why I think being coached by Bill can help your cash game immeasurably, then I'm happy for you to PM so we can swap skype details and can talk about it? I'm based in the UK, (judging by your name you could be too?) so by speaking to me you may also accept that I'm just an unbiased guy rather than some kind of mole!

Let me know - I think you should take me up on this offer if your comments are serious and you are sceptical, otherwise if you don't, you probably are just trolling, in which case I'd say it's time to stop

I was bored one night and decided to give the introductory quiz a shot. I hadn't read through this thread at all. After having some issues with the quiz, I read through this thread. I guess I should have started there. I see some very credible posters like Spike who have less than stellar things to say.

As far as the quiz goes, I'm still trying to figure out what I paid for. I paid $15 and took a 15 question quiz. I was waiting for the results and feedback. I think that's what I got in my e-mail today? It basically, said "You screwed a lot of things up. You better pay for my coaching services". I didn't get the right answers to the quiz. I didn't get any feedback whatsoever. Did I just pay $15 to take a quiz?

Also, I received six solicitation e-mails between the time I took the quiz and the time I got the results. I'm still not sure that what I got today was the results. In school, if you take a quiz, you at least get the solutions when you get your quiz back. A good teacher will point out your mistakes. I thought that's what I was paying $15 for.

I'm hoping for a refund at this point. I thought I was paying $15 for feedback on the quiz, not just for the pleasure of taking the quiz.

I believe to set the record straight....

1- You said you could not open my word doc. (quiz) that I sent back. I heard no more after that from you sir.

2. The website clearly states what you get for your $15 and you did receive exactly what was stated. You missed a great many quiz questions so there was very little to say other than I urge you to get coaching from me or whatever source you prefer.

3. You have not asked for a refund. You will however get one should you merely ask for it.

4. I dont send 6 emails soliciting anything to anyone. That was completely fabricated.

Thank you, and if you must post here I would sincerely request that you state the facts accurately. I bend over backwards to satisfy everyone. You are number 6 out of 788 players who have been upset at my quiz response. I must assume I am performing well according to those numbers.






Note: I will still overlook all of this if you would like to click "reset" and start all over. You might look at post 288 above and realize you could be jeopardizing your poker future possibly by allowing yourself to get all upset over a $15 quiz. Poker requires patience and a cool head. You might start here with that thought. As I said, I will put this all past us if you want to reset and start again. I will even refund the quiz and STILL take you on as a student. I will take this first step. How about you sir?

Any further discussion on this matter can be continued by my email bill@anlpoker.com. Lets get on with poker and not sweat the small stuff.

ttyl

Jessee123

I sent you a refund even though it was not requested. Please check your paypal and good luck moving forward.

Has anyone answered the quiz to a level you deemed worthy of not needing coaching? When one takes the quiz do they get feedback on each question they answer or just a bunch of incorrects, come get coaching?

Legit questions...

2. The website does clearly state what you will get for $15. I did not receive what was stated. "Quiz evaluation" is listed in the description of what you get for $15. I did not receive anything resembling a quiz evaluation.

3. Refund received. Thanks.

4. I DID receive 6 e-mails full of testimonials and offers for service. To me, that's solicitation. Maybe my definition of solicitation isn't quite right. I can post them here if you're calling my integrity into question.

I appreciate the refund. No hard feelings. GL.

Maybe this might help...

When I took the intro quiz a long while back, the feedback I got was highlights in different colors on my answers. Yellow colored highlight meaning "sub optimal all the way to poor", and grey meaning "discussion points".

I did have a bunch of yellow, which at the time was surprising to me. I also got the e-mail explaining how Bill works, and how to best approach coaching if I decided it was the best option for me, through him or another source.

I went ahead with the Skype session to discuss the quiz results, because after the quiz I realized Bill was legit and thought a discussion would be beneficial.

Honestly, I'm guessing the quiz would be tough to Ace for the vast majority of live $1-$2 / $2-$5 live players. I thought I knew my stuff well, yet after the initial quiz and subsequent discussion, I learned that I have much more to learn about this game.

On Bill's website, for the intro quiz, it says:

This is the ANLpoker introductory quiz. It is not easy. The introductory quiz covers a wide variety of basic fundamentals which while basic to me, are not known by most live players from 1-2 blind all the way up to 2-5 blind play. Cleaning up any fundamental errors made on this quiz will boost anyone's game tremendously.

There is a Money Back Guarantee on the quiz, so what is there to lose?

Please note that the quiz fee includes:
•Custom quiz
•Quiz back with highlighted areas of errors/disputes only.
•A brief description of how the player fared per Ain’t No Limit’s instructor expertise.

A more detailed discussion, to clear up leaks that the quiz has uncovered, will be undertaken during subsequent Skype sessions.

Money back guarantee! All quizzes are backed with a money back guarantee within 48 hours of purchase. How can you lose?
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Personally, I felt I got exactly what I paid for in the intro quiz.

I can also say wholeheartedly that Bill is a man of integrity, and will let you know if coaching is not needed. I know for a fact he's tried to talk students out of coaching if he truly believed it wasn't necessary, or if poker wasn't best for them.

Take it for what it's worth, that's part of my experience with Bill. Hope it helps.

Thanks for the clarification RiverG.

For the record (now after drilling the numbers) I have 8 players who have asked for a quiz refund out of 788. With that record I have to assume that my quiz evaluation is a success for all but a few.

He is certainly entitled to his opinion, as well as his refund.

Case closed from my end.

Community service post.

For those that are interested in ANL as coach, here's an example of what he offers:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-size-1482198/

When asked whether to 4bet or call 3bet with KK, ANL responded:

16 combos of AK vs 18 combos of QQ+? What about the fact that hero is holding KK?

When told he was wrong, he responded:

An example of him just blabbering without making any sense or have any actual point.

Then he does second thing he does best: change subject.

Then ANL wanted to make sure that he wasn't completely horrible at basic combinatorics:

So second try, and he is STILL WRONG.

AK: 4 aces and 2 kings remaining in the deck, 4 x 2 = 8.


So if hero has KK, two other players can hold KK? The fact that he thinks that there are 2 combos of KK remaining, he clearly doesn't grasp what and how combinatorics apply in poker.

Finally when all else fails, he blamed lack of sleep:

Bill, thanks for your continued guidance. It's been an amazing year and I owe you all the credit!
8 months ago I was playing .5/1 6max now I'm playing 5/10. You're the best at what you do!

Bill,
Sincerely, thanks for everything. As I mentioned to you many times, LAGS are tough for me to deal with at the table.

My hard to play against LAG was up to $1,100 at a $1-$2, and very proud of himself. Very vocal about it.

We basically went to war at the table, and honestly it might as well have been a heads up match. Anytime he opened and I 3 bet, the rest of the table folded and watched.

He definitely bluffed me off some winning hands - even one where I wanted to call him so badly with AK no pair, and it would have been correct for that hand (he showed A4o no pair and got vocal again). However in the long run, maybe that call is ego more than optimal.

Thanks Buddy. I wouldn't have had the fortitude to keep opening and 3 betting without the sound knowledge you've given me. LAGs have always ben tough for me, and you taught me how to adjust to their style. I ended up with every chip the LAG had. What a feeling!

Anyone curious why the same people post the same praises over and over in this thread?