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Old 09-23-2014, 04:13 PM   #226
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More interviews fully showing the "before and after" reviews of newbie Justin Oliver beginning ANLpoker through first bracelet win 3 years later after a rigorous 6 hour per week grinding sessions with ANLpoker.com.




2---Here is the WSOP interview (last 3 minutes are about ANLpoker coaching) by Justin after first bracelet win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awRBDHGJe8A




3---Finally here is the newbie review of Justin only 3 months after beginning ANLpoker coaching. See that dramatic change from newbie to bracelet winner in just a short 3 years.

http://anlpoker.com/Testimonials



Many may think that this was a one time fluke. The 200,000 WCOOP win on Pokerstars, both 300,000 and 333,000 wins at the WSOP plus a crushing live record over past several years + approx 4bb/100 winrate over hundreds of thousands of hands on Pokerstars 600nl and 1000nl multitabling 6max would say different.

Note: See Justins first review of ANLpoker only 3 months after beginning to see the chart of where he was losing at 10nl online when he met ANLpoker.com.


Usually most would assume that the coaching was only a tangential reason for such success. Listen to the High Roller Interview above and make your own judgement if this was the case.


If you would like to contact other ANLpoker students who have risen VERY quickly from 1-2 to through 2-3 and on the crushing 2-5 for samples of 1000-1500 hours, simply email bill@anlpoker.comfor their email addys. They are more than happy to tell you about what ANLpoker did for them. I have a ton of very grateful students and I am thankful for each one.

Are players able to rise through the limits on their own without coaching? A few do yes. But if you take a look around, I think you see what I see. I see a sea of grinders at 1-2, 1-3, 2-5 and 5-10 who remain there for years upon years. Why? No structured program which will plug away at increasing your game skill. That is where coaching comes in. You be the judge as to whether you need coaching. If you have been working hard, reading books, watching videos and playing your heart out, yet you are dissatisfied overall with your outcome, the coaching is most likely a great avenue for you. Contact bill@anlpoker.com and I will help you in any/all ways that I can.

Focus on playing optimally and when satisfied you did, then dismiss the results.





Before and after coaching results over time is a guaranteed indicator of your coaching program. Be sure to be careful selecting your poker coach should you decide to pursue coaching. My coaching program, integrity and honesty can and should be verified by students who have had a close relationship with me for 1+ years. Email me for their email addys and I will be glad to forward to you.

This will give you an insight to what you are really searching for on this thread, and that is what ANLpoker can really do for you if you are willing to work.

This is the important stuff.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:18 PM   #227
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When i met Baluga well over 8 yrs ago, I got that article from him. I was making essays for my own use and decided that i could improve on his, and since a lot of the opening work i agreed with, I started merely changing some name and titles with intention of re-writing the whole article with my own flavor to it.

As i got into it, I thought, nah, this is written fine so i went on down the road without changing a word.
Allow me to understand this correctly.

ANL claims to be a top coach capable of turning a losing player into top winner (like Justin Oliver), and he's trying to convince people what he did was an innocent mistake with THAT?!

So if you want to "improve" something you read, first thing you do is to change names and titles, then re-write it?

Not sure if it's an insult to intelligence of your intended audience or your own.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:21 PM   #228
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I generally stay away from this thread other than to lurk and laugh at the flames but ANL, you just defined plagiarism. As a long time academic I can say that would have gotten you expelled from any university. You may have had no bad intentions. I don't know. But it still doesn't excuse it. I don't know the fine details but it doesn't look good at a casual glance.

Let me state that I have no beef with anyone here. Don't really care who's right and who's wrong.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:30 PM   #229
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Why any successful poker player would waste valuable time bashing a great coach like Bill is confusing to me. If you're a successful player, person you wouldn't waste time in your life to bash, hate on another successful player. Which to say the least says a tremendous amount about the complete haters on this thread.

If Bill was a bad coach, a bad person, an unethical person he would not be the great coach that he is--imo, he just wouldn't. He'd be like the people bashing him in this thread.

He has taken me from a .50/1 6max player online to a 2/4 and 3/6 6max regular. I have been working with him since January of this year. I went to him because I was moving up to 5/10 and the stacks were going to be deeper than my 100bb games prior.

His style and approach at the poker table is the best I have ever been across. I have been on CardRunners (which was very good fwiw) and I've been on DC. I have abandoned both, committed to Bill and I'm destroying games. I'm destroying them.

The approach that most poker players come with, whether you are a fish, pro, decent reg or whatever...Bill exploits the heck out of all em. It's beautiful, it truly is.

And as a serious player, I'm happy that so many of you hate on him It just means that when we meet...I and other students of Bill will exploit you.

Bill is a good dude. I've been with for almost a year and I consider a good friend and I think he is very professional, unlike what I see in this thread.

Don't any of you listen to Jay Z? Don't get jealous...that's a female trait.
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:08 PM   #230
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So the new strategy is to flood your own thread with the same positive reviews over and over again?
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:33 PM   #231
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So the new strategy is to flood your own thread with the same positive reviews over and over again?
What's your strategy? What is your purpose here? You look like a complete loser. Only unsuccessful people have time to do what you are doing here. And for what? To bring a negative light on a great coach and person. For a small mistake he made years ago.

I wonder if he was a terrible coach, only had 2-3 students, would you be doing this? No, you would not. You are complete jealous hater.

If you are serious player and want to improve, become a student of Bill's and your hourly rate will go upward...a lot.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:18 PM   #232
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The thing most of the guys slamming Bill here are not saying is that most of them have ALREADY said exactly the same thing numerous time / repeatedly in the previous thread that got deleted as well as in this thread.

So some are saying Bill sucks at poker and is a fraud, which is fine as its their opinion and they are free to state it (but its always interesting to look at these guy's profiles to try to get a grasp of their credibility). But doing so repeatedly is just either trolling (large definition) or just extremely violent and trying to run someone out of town just like we were living the wild west (which I guess the inet is sort of)

Others are saying that Bill may or may not be good at poker, but has plagiarized. Bill repeatedly addressed this (if some have issues about how long it took him to do so in the other thread, this is another debate). Yeah we got it fellas, he f.ed up and its out there, and he addressed it again and again now. Those repeteadly repeating this are just trying to hurt his business (initially bringing it up to the attention the "community" is fine ofc), and again this is extremely violent (no other word comes to my mind), maybe even personal for some.

Oh and saying he intentionally changed 3 words of the essay as a masterplan to defraud poker players out of 3dollars is either 1/ retarded or 2/ just semantics used for character assassination.

Lastly, those copy pasting the PM where he gets pissed off and using that also to demonstrate "how a retarded snake oil salesman" he is is also pathetic but most probably part of your plan. Slam him for nearly a year, attack his personal business and brand, then immediately jump on him when he gets heated.... The lowest of the low imo, very similar to retarded political debates we see way too much of. And also ignoring human nature, as if all the slammers here where pristine clean.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:49 PM   #233
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ANL has taken the position of authority in his posts at LLSNL sub forum and is wondering why people are challenging merits of his authority.

I don't question his coaching ability and never had. I am only questioning his various absolute positions relating to his posts, and he has never actually addressed them.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:53 PM   #234
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For example, I asked him to elaborate his position of bet sizing being an art form, and he responded by quoting a website and told me to read the website and email the website if I have more questions.

I guess if he doesn't think I am a potential student, he doesn't need to actually "sell" himself to me.
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:56 PM   #235
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Hey Bill, thanks again for everything you've done for me. In the beginning, I was very apprehensive about sending a potential poker coach money over the Internet. I've been ripped off a few times online - even had money on a poker site where I built up a roll and then they just disappeared one day. Those experiences had me super skeptical about employing a coach via the Internet.

For my personal goals, I knew it was imperative to get a poker coach. And after scouring the Internet, I finally decided to suck it up, take the plunge, and get started towards my poker goal.

I have to say it was a great relief to know after just a few sessions that I in fact had selected an honest, competent professional. My fear of being ripped off made me very vigilant in my screening process, and thank goodness it worked out!

I'm posting again because of the recent posts, and in an effort to covey to any potential students that investing your hard earned money in Bill is a good move.

Thanks Bill - talk with ya next week.
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Old 09-24-2014, 01:08 AM   #236
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Bill,

I just finished up another solid week (was able to put in over 50 hours at the tables this week) at the card room. Man, it feels great to be able to play poker for a living, and I wanted to say "thank you" again for all your help getting me to where I am today. True, I have worked and continue to work hard, but without you I don't think I would've come close -- and I'm positive it would've been a much slower and more confusing path in any case.

I wanted to let you know that I'm discovering more and more situations to pick up dead money and also build up big pots and then steal them. The way everything comes together perfectly sometimes during a hand…I don't know…it's like poetry, man. The way you've taught me to improve my pre-flop strategies, and then outplay villains post-flop by tracking their ranges and tendencies, use creative bet sizing to help with hand-reading, manipulate the pot vs. different types of villains to make them do what I want (fold or call)…I don't know how to explain the feeling, but it's just a beautiful thing. You'll also be happy to hear I'm getting better at estimating on the spot my equity + fold equity and taking on aggressive lines that work incredibly well. I'm seeing more and more of those spots where, "I really don't care if they fold or call."

In addition to your excellent coaching, thank you for your patience, your good humor, and most of all for believing in me through thick and thin.

Can't wait to talk some more hands with you at our session this week!
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Old 09-24-2014, 03:08 AM   #237
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For example, I asked him to elaborate his position of bet sizing being an art form, and he responded by quoting a website and told me to read the website and email the website if I have more questions.

I guess if he doesn't think I am a potential student, he doesn't need to actually "sell" himself to me.
Rich - to pretend that you're a "potential student" seeking to better understand Bill's thinking really demeans us all. Let's face it - you don't like his posts, you don't like his advice and you probably hate his ANL company name. It's okay. This isn't your thread.

But if you're serious about being a better player...
Why don't you do this: take Bill's basic or advanced poker quiz, use your extremely large brain to answer the questions and then ask Bill to evaluate your answers. It's not that expensive - and if you hate his coaching - don't sweat it - he offers a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!

Unlike online poker - live poker and live bet sizing IS an art form. If you have to ask why - then you probably don't play live. Or you don't play very well. But I'll just say that when you're playing live, good players will often have a better understanding of their V's range (thru hand reading), so to be profitable, they have to guesstimate how much the V is willing to part with to chase his draw or go to showdown.
Spoiler:

Using standard % bets on flop, turn and river can cause you to lose too much (when you're beat) or win too little (when you're way ahead).

Look:
Rob admits that Bill can help live low limit players.
Bill admits that he ripped off 2 essays that he sold as a packet.
And Miami admits that he doesn't know if Baluga is ok with the settlement.

Me?
I admit that Bill has tremendously improved my game to the point that I'm now playing the highest LIVE LIMITS at my local casino and doing quite well.

While I don't always agree with Bill's advice on hands (does every player ALWAYS agree with their coach 100% of the time? doubtful) - I'm dumbfounded at how accurate he is on what's going on in the hand and how he's always working on a plan on how to extract value or lose the minimum... (another secret at winning in Live casino cash games.)

Rich, I think I could go through the history of coaching and find all kinds of "advice" from epic coaches - and find flaws in their statements or guidance. Heck, you could probably dig through the archives and find stupid stuff that Vanessa said here on 2+2. What does that prove? That they're human. So save your time. Let it go. You don't have to agree with Bill's analysis or advice. You're free to look the other way.

Maybe Bill isn't the right coach for Galfond or Seidman.
Ok. So what?
Bill is offering very reasonable rates for up-and-coming players who want to win at 1/2, 1/3, 2/5 & 5/10. He's not pretending to be the guy who going to coach the next High Stakes Poker pros.

I find it interesting that the majority of guys who want to stick it to Bill have never met him or been coached by him. Ok, so there are a few that didn't care for Bill's coaching - and I respect their opinion. But hey, not every coach will work for every player. And I see more students who still like Bill than those who think they've wasted their money.

So to SERIOUS PROSPECTIVE STUDENTS: instead of letting all this "noise" influence your decision, PM me - a genuine student - who'll give you the real lowdown at how Bill might help your game. Or better yet, contact Bill with some serious questions that you'd like answered to help make your decision. I think you'll find Bill is the real deal - a very good live poker player who's still got it - even in this digital age.

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Old 09-24-2014, 11:17 AM   #238
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To new prospective students,
I come once again as a 2.5 year student of Bills. Why would I have a coach weekly for 2.5 years? EVen after I went from goofing around after work playing 1-2 to crushing the 2-5 where I play in NE USA. Yes, I wont tell players at my cardroom because admittedly I want everyone there to think it is "I" alone that came up with the bone crushing strategies that Bill has and continues to give me.

All the fundamentals were down pat within a year, however now we analyze hands together each week that I play and I learn something new every week. When I started with Bill I allotted $1500 for a 1/2 bankroll and to pay for coaching. I’ve never had to use life money again, and continue to pay for coaching and make profit that keeps my roll growing as i move up in stakes.

You could take all the books, all the conventional poker wisdom, all the live videos that are on the training sites, put a rope around them and a bow on top and you have all the same information wrapped in one package. Not Bills. No sir. His UNCONVENTIONAL strategies completely screw up regs as well as fish as they are not used to seeing lines other than basic. He also has his finger on the pulse of todays games, simply from the 100s of pertinant hand histories he reviews every week .
I come here today tired of seeing apparent wannabees attempting to hurt a person who I have known 2.5 years, and known to be generous, honest, trustworthy and a prodigy as far as I am concerned.

Now for those who insist on dragging up some past issue about a one page article that quite honestly nobody really here knows what exactly happened. But who cares? 10 years ago? And already long been rectified with the owner of the article?
No, I for one stick up for Bill whole heartedly because I too owe my poker success to getting on board with him as so many others here have done. Bill is an awesome, trustworthy friend and I really could care less what happened so many years ago. Ive made mistakes myself. I am damn glad i did not have a firing squad ready to give me the death penalty over them too.

Therefore, I want new prospects who jump to the end of this thread to see my post and will repost it as many times as necessary to keep it current to the last couple of pages. It is the least I can do for all that Bill has done for me. Nobody here is going to bury my honest review of Bills coaching with a micro incident of years gone by. No, in my opinion that article is archaic history and not of real value to any new prospect.
So new prospects whoever you may be, follow your own instincts. Bill gives a no questions asked, money back guarantee. BTW, how many snake oil men give money back guarantees?
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Rich - to pretend that you're a "potential student" seeking to better understand Bill's thinking really demeans us all. Let's face it - you don't like his posts, you don't like his advice and you probably hate his ANL company name. It's okay. This isn't your thread.

But if you're serious about being a better player...
Why don't you do this: take Bill's basic or advanced poker quiz, use your extremely large brain to answer the questions and then ask Bill to evaluate your answers. It's not that expensive - and if you hate his coaching - don't sweat it - he offers a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!
I would, but I don't want to post a review afterwards and be insulted and called a liar by ANL.

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Unlike online poker - live poker and live bet sizing IS an art form. If you have to ask why - then you probably don't play live. Or you don't play very well. But I'll just say that when you're playing live, good players will often have a better understanding of their V's range (thru hand reading), so to be profitable, they have to guesstimate how much the V is willing to part with to chase his draw or go to showdown.
Allow me to understand you correctly. In live, "good" players will have a better understanding of V's range than online players' ability to understand theirs?

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Here's a secret: every V is different! That's why you can't use a rote math formula!
Here's a tip: use variables, and if you have problem understanding what that means, perhaps you could ask ANL.

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Using standard % bets on flop, turn and river can cause you to lose too much (when you're beat) or win too little (when you're way ahead).
Using the same bet sizing in all situations is not what it means to "use math" and it's painfully obvious that you do not understand how math applies in poker.

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Rich, I think I could go through the history of coaching and find all kinds of "advice" from epic coaches - and find flaws in their statements or guidance. Heck, you could probably dig through the archives and find stupid stuff that Vanessa said here on 2+2. What does that prove? That they're human. So save your time. Let it go. You don't have to agree with Bill's analysis or advice.
But the difference is that a respectable coach/player would take the time to explain his/her position when questions are raised.

Am I attacking him personally? I do not think so. I don't think I am even asking him tough questions (after all, I can only ask questions within my own ability).

I have always scratched my head every time ANL posted his "opinions" in various hand histories in LLSNL, and at first, I kind of just take them at face value, thinking that he must have good reasons to post those comments. As time progresses and my understanding improves, I begin to see more variables and started to ask questions by engaging him in discussions.

ANL has never responded well to these discussions, because he has always thought of them as attacks from someone that's "unqualified" to challenge his opinions.

"How dare you to question my words, I am ANL, and you are just a lowly 1/2 player!"

And this position becomes prevalent over and over every time I challenge him to provide more support to his opinions.

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You're free to look the other way.
It's interesting that you said that, because the first few times I engaged him in discussions, that was exactly the PM he sent to me.

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I find it interesting that the majority of guys who want to stick it to Bill have never met him or been coached by him. Ok, so there are a few that didn't care for Bill's coaching - and I respect their opinion. But hey, not every coach will work for every player. And I see more students who still like Bill than those who think they've wasted their money.
Perhaps I am just more careful.
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Hey Bill, By the way, I wanted to mention something else here. It takes a lot of balls for you to put yourself out there, opening up to vicious and relentless criticism. Kudos to you man. That's the kind of courage needed to put a stack on the line via a bluff. Thanks Bill, for teaching me that!
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Using the same bet sizing in all situations is not what it means to "use math" and it's painfully obvious that you do not understand how math applies in poker.
What's painfully obvious is that you are insisting on semantics: math vs art. You are asking over and over again for Bill to elaborate on the comment he made re. betsizing as an art form. You are insinuating that Bill thinks there is no math to bet sizing, which is redic. You really think ppl here are ignoring EV and poker math?

Of course any poker situation / bet sizing situation is math and can be put on paper in an EV equatation form. Lol at insinuating people here don't know what an equation or factors are..., or that Bill doesnt teach to crunch hand after hand away from the table and use similar tools than the online players (I hate making that distinction because some of us play both).

Are you expecting Bill to lay out a complex decision tree / equation in a tough bet sizing spot to demonstrate which line is more EV is just tiresome and not the point of this thread (this is coaching advertising, not coaching). What do you want to see, lines and lines of math? I know 2+2 is geeky, and you have to hardcore math oriented for anything above med stakes online, but come on...

Also in learning poker or anything else, you need to work big to small, simple to complex. You really think that tons of CREV reports and indepth maths are needed to demonstrate the importance of bet sizing and bring someone up to beating 5/10 live? Seriously? If that's the case, you are too much of a perfectionist and detail oriented to climb the poker ladder (and before you slam me for saying this, yes perfectionism and detail orientation, and a heavvyyyy dose of math is needed for anything above med stakes online. But below that, we dont need to get lost in equations).

Golf is all physics and math. Will you slam me for saying Woods is an artist, and not showing up with a 5000 page research paper on the impact rotational mouvement has on a ball swing?

But hey, then again maybe I am missing something (not being sarcastic). But if that's the case please enlighten me if you can.

Maybe I should expect from a coach numerous CREV rundowns that apply in all the bet sizing situations I can face? Although I've worked with several and have never gone so much in depth. I mean, manipulating pot size isnt that complex. What is more complex is taking the right action at the right time that will manipulate a villain that has certain tendencies, in a particular mood state, that has a temporary view of my image to do exactly what I want him to do with the part of his range I am targeting. Yeah OFC thats all math, but its art as well.

But if Bill is so bad, why not help him and show him what you want? Or if you do not know what you are expecting when asking Bill to elaborate on his art comment, well then all your slamming was just a waste of space and time and energy for everyone involved in this thread.
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Ugh, I'm spending way too much time on here lol

Come to think of it, Bill sorry for feeding these unconstructive conversations.
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I would, but I don't want to post a review afterwards and be insulted and called a liar by ANL.
Then you admit you're not a prospective student. Admitting this is the first step to recovery.

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Allow me to understand you correctly. In live, "good" players will have a better understanding of V's range than online players' ability to understand theirs?
Somewhat true. In live games, good players can often put a player on specific 1 or 2 hands and act accordingly. This is why good and successful players like DGAF call online players "scientists" - meaning guys that rely mostly on math & formulas. In live games, there's a feel and flow to the game and live reads on opponents that you don't find with online 6-max Zoom poker. While addition, subtraction and multiplication is involved, live poker bet sizing is really more an art form. If this explanation makes no sense to you, then I can't answer your question.

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Using the same bet sizing in all situations is not what it means to "use math" and it's painfully obvious that you do not understand how math applies in poker.
Then you agree it's an art form - not a rote formula. So what exactly are you arguing?


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But the difference is that a respectable coach/player would take the time to explain his/her position when questions are raised.
This might be true if you asked one sincere question every now and then. But any poster here can see that you question nearly every comment he makes like a three-year-old asking, "But why?"

If you want Bill to coach you, sign up like real students of the game do. These forums are not a way to get free coaching, but just a way in which real poker players can get some insights on how other real poker players might play a hand.

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Am I attacking him personally? I do not think so. I don't think I am even asking him tough questions (after all, I can only ask questions within my own ability)....

And this position becomes prevalent over and over every time I challenge him to provide more support to his opinions. (bold emphasis mine)
So you admit that you repeatedly challenge him when he posts. I think you fixation on Bill brings up a lot of issues that honestly I don't think Bill can help you with.

Rich - the answers you seek are truly not on Bill's thread or the LLLNL forums. They must come from inside you.

I am now done with our conversation. I wish you luck on your journey, grasshopper.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:05 PM   #244
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Wow that pm that Rob posted is amazing. Plagiarism defined IMO.

All this art vs math stuff is utterly laughable.

I don't know anything about Bill's coaching first hand but it appears he is a dreadful marketer and if that epic mechanical 3 betting video is any indication of what is taught then yikes!

If nothing else, this thread constantly delivers.
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Old 09-25-2014, 01:36 AM   #245
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You are insinuating that Bill thinks there is no math to bet sizing, which is redic. You really think ppl here are ignoring EV and poker math?
Not insinuating.

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Quite a bit of the ART forms of poker cannot be put on paper mathematically.
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How do I explain mathematically how I can 3 bet in position AJ vs a wide opener and proceed to outplay him postflop? But its very easy to do. math? Its irrelevent.
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So for you to ask for math on a situation that is more ART than math, cant be answered.
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Of course any poker situation / bet sizing situation is math and can be put on paper in an EV equatation form. Lol at insinuating people here don't know what an equation or factors are..., or that Bill doesnt teach to crunch hand after hand away from the table and use similar tools than the online players (I hate making that distinction because some of us play both).
Again, I am not.

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Quite a bit of the ART forms of poker cannot be put on paper mathematically.
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Are you expecting Bill to lay out a complex decision tree / equation in a tough bet sizing spot to demonstrate which line is more EV is just tiresome and not the point of this thread (this is coaching advertising, not coaching).
Perhaps before he posted those responses, but after seeing those responses, how could I expect him to explain something that's obviously beyond his understanding.

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What do you want to see, lines and lines of math? I know 2+2 is geeky, and you have to hardcore math oriented for anything above med stakes online, but come on...
I didn't think I was asking anything complicated, but according to ANL and his students, it is...

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Also in learning poker or anything else, you need to work big to small, simple to complex. You really think that tons of CREV reports and indepth maths are needed to demonstrate the importance of bet sizing and bring someone up to beating 5/10 live? Seriously? If that's the case, you are too much of a perfectionist and detail oriented to climb the poker ladder (and before you slam me for saying this, yes perfectionism and detail orientation, and a heavvyyyy dose of math is needed for anything above med stakes online. But below that, we dont need to get lost in equations).
So if I ask ANL to explain 3bet using math, I am a perfectionist...?

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Golf is all physics and math. Will you slam me for saying Woods is an artist, and not showing up with a 5000 page research paper on the impact rotational mouvement has on a ball swing?
He's not a coach.

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Maybe I should expect from a coach numerous CREV rundowns that apply in all the bet sizing situations I can face? Although I've worked with several and have never gone so much in depth. I mean, manipulating pot size isnt that complex. What is more complex is taking the right action at the right time that will manipulate a villain that has certain tendencies, in a particular mood state, that has a temporary view of my image to do exactly what I want him to do with the part of his range I am targeting. Yeah OFC thats all math, but its art as well.
Did you not see the context?

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But if Bill is so bad, why not help him and show him what you want? Or if you do not know what you are expecting when asking Bill to elaborate on his art comment, well then all your slamming was just a waste of space and time and energy for everyone involved in this thread.
I am not a coach.

Again, he made quite a few absolute statements regarding how 3betting is an "art form" and math is irrelevant.

I asked him to simply explain that position.
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:32 PM   #246
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Could someone please post a longterm graph of their success after being coached by Bill? Not that a graph would necessarily prove anything, but it's certainly worth more than saying that you're "crushing 5/10" etc

These people who claim to be crushing could easily be on a 200 hr heater and it's a completely meaningless and results oriented. The fact that there are no longterm graphs in any of these reviews and only people claiming to be be crushing 5/10 does very little to convince me that Bill will turn me into a longterm profitable player.

The only thing I keep seeing is how one guy binked a couple of tournies, which is basically 0.01% evidence for being a longterm winner.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:08 AM   #247
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why even argue with these idiots? It's pretty clear they have zero interest in any adult type, legit poker conversation. (which belongs in different threads anyway) Especially RP. Just a dumb-ss looking to take cheap shots and stir stuff up. Please just ignore him.

Posted by a non-student. Sick of the trolltards.
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Old 09-26-2014, 01:46 AM   #248
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Could someone please post a longterm graph of their success after being coached by Bill? Not that a graph would necessarily prove anything, but it's certainly worth more than saying that you're "crushing 5/10" etc

These people who claim to be crushing could easily be on a 200 hr heater and it's a completely meaningless and results oriented. The fact that there are no longterm graphs in any of these reviews and only people claiming to be be crushing 5/10 does very little to convince me that Bill will turn me into a longterm profitable player.

The only thing I keep seeing is how one guy binked a couple of tournies, which is basically 0.01% evidence for being a longterm winner.



1-----Just see Post 10 of this thread. This guy is dominating the games in his cardroom and is now a beast to be reckoned with.


Its sad to say, but true. I have an entire group of players who are the King Bee of their 1-2, 2-5 and even 5-10 games, and if/when i ask them to come in here and give an accurate review of my coaching, they tell me that they wish they could but it is impossible for them to do so. They tell me that they have to protect themselves first and foremost and tehy do not want to deal with any other ANLpoker student at their table. Therefore, they dont personally want to persuade anyone to get my coaching.

Yes I know, sounds like bull. But its a true story. That entire group is about 9 players. Fortunately I have a nucleus of successful students who feel an obligation to review me here since their poker lives have been changed.

The players that go the distance with me, have gotten very good results. The degree of the results obv depends on the student abilities to put the rubber to the road. I cannot do it for them.




2-----Why advertise Justin Oliver so much?

My reasoning is because of the gigantic feat that we accomplished together which was turn a losing 10NL online player over 2 years (also considered himself break even at 2-5 live however he lived in Toronto and only played live when he traveled to Vegas so there was no time really in there).

I dont know of any other player (other than maybe Stu Unger) who could not win at 10nl over time, and within 2 years be winning optimally at 2-5 live, and 10-12 tabling 600nl with somewhere in neighborhood of 3bb/100 winrate (if my memory serves me) playing 3000 hands per day 5 days a week. He rose from losing at 10nl thru each level to 1000nl within 2.5 years. 10-12 tabling the entire time. He spent long periods of time at 400nl 600nl and finally 1000nl.

Told me I had to teach him how to play like what he would see me doing each time he came to Vegas, and I agreed. He wanted it all FAST, so we did 6 hours of sweating and database replayer work plus discussed constantly the nuances between the live game and online. We did this for 1.5+ years.

RESULTS

1-Won 200,000 on STars in WCOOP tourney about at end of year 2.

2-Winning tremendously at 2-5 in Vegas as he started making very frequent trips to Vegas after the WSOOP win.

3-Went right into the WSOP and won 333,000 in the toughest event IMO of the series. The 4 max 2500 buyin which only drew 650 of the toughest players around. (This would not be called a bink in my book. YOu gotta play like a trojan to win that one.)

4- Won 2nd place the following year full ring for 300,000.

Now moved to Vegas i guess a year or better ago and I wish i could give you his winrate over time at the 5-10 aria deep, but i cannot devulge unless he gave the ok. That is his base game and has been for last year or two.


This was a gigantic mountain to climb and if anyone knew the struggle, emotional turmoil, runbad and on, they would understand why it was an enormous feat of dedication, persistence and a burning desire to play nothing short of excellent.

That is Justin Oliver. I am so very proud to say that I had a fair amount to do with his rise in skill, although he gives me all the credit. That obv cannot and is not true, but I appreciate his good words in the last interview of his below.


Just find Justin Oliver and a 3 minute blurb is there about ANLpoker.

http://highrollerradio.net/interviews_6.html
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Old 09-26-2014, 04:49 AM   #249
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wonder if OP likes burning money. LOL @ math being irrelevant in poker. so much misinformation being sold ITT it's laughable.

WP brain washing your guinea pigs tho. must a genuinely likable, friendly individual to pull this bluff off.
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Old 09-26-2014, 10:11 AM   #250
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so you advertise as a coach for cash games then constantly promote the fact that one of your students binked a tourney, do you have any idea about the variance in tourneys as to why doing this is so pointless?

You seem like the kind of person that would try to take the credit if one of your students won the lotto
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