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Old 09-12-2017, 07:55 AM   #26
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Re: d7sarmy.com CFP - learn with d7o1d1s0, FourSixFour and ishter11

This 'discussion' has run it's course. Sure, George's initial BPC comment was a little inflammatory, but you have escalated this to the point of ****-flinging.

Ranting on about absolute nonsense, calling me a liar for stating facts which are easily verifiable, attacking someone for supporting malaria prevention in Africa.

You should seek professional help. Your own ex-student's seem to agree as evidenced by the most recent review in your coaching thread.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:58 AM   #27
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Nonsense = pointing out that your big mouth coach has not even ONE publicly verified student he turned from loser to winner? The best thing is his team mate pointing out a stake 3 years ago. It's not even nonsense, it's just cringe level LOL. It's only one level short of PlasticE's mom coming in here and posting a review.

I'm still waiting for link + graphs. I'll be the first to applaud, even if you start today.

You don't see me posting in other coaches threads at all, for like 6 years - without invitation. That is because most people are usually polite and have learned manners at home (yourself included). PlasticE is a little brat, so he needs to be shown his place from time to time.

I said I am done here, unless you guys feel the need to discuss further. Then i'll keep asking for (verified) reviews and make fun of mosquito nets. Cmon, this stuff is funny. If you didn't laugh you have no humor. I'm sure people reading here enjoy it.

One short apology from PlasticE would have done the job fwiw.

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Old 09-12-2017, 03:16 PM   #28
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I'm sure people reading here enjoy it.
NO!!

I can understand your motivations but your arrogance is coming out from my monitor..please stop..
I've stopped reading your tread ( and of course not joined! )for this reason, and now i must read your ???? here.. REALLY not enjoing it..

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Old 09-12-2017, 07:51 PM   #29
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actually im enjoying it. keep going.
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:37 PM   #30
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Re: d7sarmy.com CFP - learn with d7o1d1s0, FourSixFour and ishter11

I'm with Gordon here, obviously the key factor in ishter moving up to where he is today was not George's coaching but rather that one Youtube review I did for the 25NL version of ishter.
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Old 09-17-2017, 03:58 AM   #31
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NO!!

I can understand your motivations but your arrogance is coming out from my monitor..please stop..
I've stopped reading your tread ( and of course not joined! )for this reason, and now i must read your ???? here.. REALLY not enjoing it..
I'm enjoying my popcorn. Also kinda with Gordon here, people crying about him going to far, don't poke the bear for no reason then.
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Old 09-20-2017, 09:42 AM   #32
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Hey guys, still only taking 50nl+ players?
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Old 09-20-2017, 01:14 PM   #33
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I've had 5 coaching sessions with George (Plastic Elephant) and I can truly say it was tremendous value!

I've had done HH review, LIVE review and also 2 sessions with PIO; and he truly knows his stuff with PIO and I've learned a lot from that which I'll be able to use in the future.

He seems like a very smart guy, very articular. His graph/results (posted in his thread before) speaks for itself.

Another thing I could tell about him is that he truly cares and he isn't like 'hey, time is over, see you next time'. I've had all sessions +at least 10 min and even one close to 1.5 hour, because he wanted to make sure we covered all. I've had several coaches before and he if I could choose a free session with one of them, it would be with George.

So without a doubt George adds tremendous value to this staking deal!
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:36 AM   #34
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I've had 5 coaching sessions with George (Plastic Elephant) and I can truly say it was tremendous value!

I've had done HH review, LIVE review and also 2 sessions with PIO; and he truly knows his stuff with PIO and I've learned a lot from that which I'll be able to use in the future.

He seems like a very smart guy, very articular. His graph/results (posted in his thread before) speaks for itself.

Another thing I could tell about him is that he truly cares and he isn't like 'hey, time is over, see you next time'. I've had all sessions +at least 10 min and even one close to 1.5 hour, because he wanted to make sure we covered all. I've had several coaches before and he if I could choose a free session with one of them, it would be with George.

So without a doubt George adds tremendous value to this staking deal!
Articular
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1. Of or relating to the joints.

So is he more like a knee or elbow? I'm guessing an elbow and probably too pointy.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:36 AM   #35
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Re: d7sarmy.com CFP - learn with d7o1d1s0, FourSixFour and ishter11

Thanks for the (unsolicited) vouch Teun!

Can confirm I have pointy knees.
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Old 09-23-2017, 04:43 AM   #36
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Had coaching with George about a year ago and can definitely vouch for him, he definitely helped me quite a bit in a short amount of time.
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Old 09-23-2017, 11:22 PM   #37
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My coaching thread was almost as fun as this one.

Guys, I know it's a business for everyone to get coachings. Just get along! Life is too short to be fighting.

I don't know BPC or Plastic Elephant but just go on with your business just like you do when you grind poker. Treat it like a bad beat and move on!

Everyone is capable and just let the users themselves decide who they think is best!!!

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Old 09-25-2017, 06:30 AM   #38
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I'm with Gordon here, obviously the key factor in ishter moving up to where he is today was not George's coaching but rather that one Youtube review I did for the 25NL version of ishter.
LOL, this is the second guy i was talking about (see earlier post of mine). He ran a micro-coaching site into the ground. Obviously it had NOTHING to do with him, just like cardrunners closing down had NOTHING to do with Plastic Elephant.

I don't know man, do we really blame variance on this or am i the only one who sees a pattern here?
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Old 09-25-2017, 06:35 AM   #39
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Ishter has started a very important topic in my thread (unasked, but nevertheless i agree with what he said 100%), so i think we should continue this very important conversation and protect students falling prey to bad coaches.

I strongly urge people to do the following before taking up any coaching or coaching deal:

* Does your coach have evidence that he can turn a losing player into a winning player?

* How is evidence presented. Are there before-after graphs? And, is it public when the coaching relationship starts so everybody can follow the progress? I don't say this has to be done every single time, but in order to be a credible coach, you should at least prove this once. I don't think it's unreasonable for your coach to present clear evidence of turning a bad player into a good one.

If you're a fitness coach, people expect you to show pics of fatties your turned into eye candy. Or a normal person you turned into a strong athlete. You having a small 6-pack and a biceps yourself is nice (at least you do what you preach), but you could be snake oil and whatever worked for you, might not work for others...

Be VERY careful and read closely how many coaches will try to talk themselves out of this VERY SIMPLE thing.


Why this is so important, and i ask you to read very closely:

99,9% of students will write nice things, because most coaches are decent human beings, including those we disagree with.
Unless you're an a$$hole, you will never get a negative review from a student. Read that again. You will NEVER get a bad review if you are nice to your students.

(This is also one of the reasons why i am not nice to students, in order to hold myself to the highest standard of results and not friendly feelings)

That's why it's so important to look for rational and verifiable evidence. Facts are more important than feelings, especially at the poker table. And i say that as a highly intuitive person.

So for the sake of peace and progress, look beyond the fun. Look at evidence. Look at facts. You might like one person more than the other, but as a student, ask yourself who will get the job done. Who has done it and who only talks about it.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:33 AM   #40
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Re: d7sarmy.com CFP - learn with d7o1d1s0, FourSixFour and ishter11

Gordon I think you should read more about our stable. We have no desire to find losing players to turn into winning players, you are welcome to these guys.

Not sure why you are still bothering to post, it's pretty much spam at this point, you are attacking me, (verifiable results crushing one of the toughest sites in the games I am trying to coach), and Ishter who has verifiable results crushing basically the hardest regularly running games at a rate higher than basically anyone, let alone people who coach.

How are your results these days? Or are you just a full time coach?
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Old 09-25-2017, 02:48 PM   #41
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Then show some results how you turned decent players into stronger ones. Before-after. Publicly verified. JUST ONE.

Where is your case? I can post a million...

Because if you can't answer, you're nothing else than another breakeven/losing coach who thinks that his results as a player (altho important, but only as a second factor) are relevant.

Why are you still evading this question. Just answer!!!

You're still not smart enough to understand coaching. Coaching is not about how great you are. And i say this as somebody with a healthy portion of self-confidence.
Students don't care about your win rate. They care about THEIR win rate. Small, but important detail. Now if a super crusher did that, fine, you can forgive them, they still suck as a coach, but oh well, it's all good.

About myself:
I could have retired from poker 7 years ago (I kind of did). Not Thailand money, but 1st world city money. Pokerstrategy.com verified my results btw. I was the most popular coach there for the time i was producing vids for them, by a big margin.

I'm a business guy for a long time already. I coach sporadically (free of charge) because it's fun. I regularly turned down people offering 500Euro/hour for coaching. I even initially turned down our fastest finisher (Atvars), who offered that and more terms. That was like what 2,5 years ago. But he was persistent, we settled into a CFP deal. I can post graphs if you wish (so there is at least one graph in this thread).

Obviously i profit from it indirectly when the company profits. But i receive no salary. I really love coaching, and students know and feel it. But it doesn't make the type of money i make in other areas, but BPC is kind of my baby.

As a player, i challenge myself here and there, definitely good enough to beat babies like yourself. But then again, my days of playing 1peanut,2peanut are over. But you can ask the people making 40k,50k, 100k or even more per month what they think about my current abilities... yes, they are biased bc they are ex-students of mine. Then again, your opinion is not important anyways.
Let's just leave it there.

So in a summary, it will look good in your resume to have this convo here. In mine it will not even show up. We're playing in different leagues and i would not constantly remind you of it, if you were not asking for it or trying to write lies because of your small-d1ck-complex.

I have no wrong pride. When i see good results, i call it that way. Ishter seems to have them. I know what you guys are missing and with the right team&structure good players can be turned into very effective coaches. Some people are better in a team, some people have to run things on their own. Everybody has their role. Ishter could be made a super effective coach.
Your mistake is believing you are one thing, while you're not.

People will not beg Ishter for coaching, because inspiration is half the game. He is like the hot chick which is lying dead on the street. Yes, has the body, tits and a$$, but who wants to **** a dead body?

At the end, you owe me a big thank you. Without me, this thread would be so irrelevant and dead like all the others. I might have singlehandedly doubled the responses here!

You're welcome, but don't forget. You have not ONE VERIFIED result as a coach. Not one.

And a quick reminder, your life-time winnings were spend on a few days here:

It was a fun event.

Ishter could have stopped me from telling the truth about coaching abilities...so i stop posting here whenever you guys start being polite.

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Old 09-25-2017, 10:43 PM   #42
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He is like the hot chick which is lying dead on the street. Yes, has the body, tits and a$$, but who wants to **** a dead body?
He is like the hot chick which is lying dead on the street. Yes, has the body, tits and a$$, but who wants to **** a dead body?
He is like the hot chick which is lying dead on the street. Yes, has the body, tits and a$$, but who wants to **** a dead body?
He is like the hot chick which is lying dead on the street. Yes, has the body, tits and a$$, but who wants to **** a dead body?

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Old 09-25-2017, 10:47 PM   #43
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to give a semi serious reply to which the enormous spew you just wrote, ishter has been one of the most requested coaches i've seen in the past few years from before when he was part of d7sarmy. and rich's results are literally posted in this thread after he joined the stable. generally i avoid any sort of engaging with mentally deficient people on the internet but the above line really cracked me up so i couldn't resist
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Old 09-26-2017, 12:18 AM   #44
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Hey, at least you can respect creativity! I get into people's heads, Plastic Elephant is my little remote controlled b1tch.

And talking about death, i put this dead thread alive. Nobody cared about Plastic Donkey joining.

You're welcome!

Time to quit, unless any of you decides to continue. Peace! You'll have to go back to being irrelevant.
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Old 09-26-2017, 06:21 AM   #45
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TIT is winning...just my 2c

I mean, all you have to do to get him to shutup...is make any new students you get, or even ur current ones to make PGC thread, link them here so that randoms like myself can watch the progress and see if you are the real deal or not.

And to the ppl constantly saying how good the d7army coaches are as players. You're missing the point imo, this is coaching now, its about how good a coach they are. its about how well they can explain thoughts and how well/fast they can make the students learn...like...hypothetical imagined like durrr or jungleman coaching someone, obv great players but they have social skills of a 3 year old im guessing that especially with newer players the progress at the beginning would be incredibly slow and there would be a lot of wasted time.

ALSO one more thing, the D7 guys are acting like huge leftists imo, you're the ones that started this essentially saying anyone who goes to gordons group is burning money or w/e that was said, the personal stuff, now you still havn't produced any graphs or real time results of ur students but saying things like TIT is spamming ur thread why is he still posting? LOL wuT! huge pussy imo.
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Old 09-26-2017, 06:25 AM   #46
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hmm i shouldn't make it political, but all im saying is if this was the state penitentiary. the d7army would be more like the d7cheerleaders...they butt cheeks would be gettin busted in on the regular you feel me?
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:14 AM   #47
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I am truly lost for words.

"He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches." This, unfortunately, very often applies to poker coaches. It is impossible for a coach to provide value to students if they are unable to beat the games themselves. This will sound arrogant (forgive me, Gordon has had his turn), but all four of us (d7sarmy coaches) are significantly stronger NLH players than all of BPC's coaches. We, and our students, are playing a different game all-together.

Again, I cannot stress the importance of seeking a coach who is able to crush the games for which he is coaching. Any remotely intelligent, impartial observer will have zero doubts as to which stable can provide the most value.

I won't even get into coach' personality/individual character; the last ~15 comments in this thread illustrate that just fine.
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:32 AM   #48
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i don't think ur lost for words, i think ur losing and u don't have anything to say.

I mean, all you gotta do is open the TIT thread and theres a bunch of dudes in there that were coached by the TIT guy who make like 50k a month now lol...then theres a bunch more winning like 10k, seems the names change every few months who wins 10k but u got none...?

you are like that dude who brings some hot ass babe to da club, then other big dogs start jammin on her feelin her titties n grabbin that fat ass and then u do nothing about it and act like u don't like her anymore coz "shes a slut" lol tahts for sure you.

Why don't u just apologize for the personal attacks and set some rules that from today you are more transparent with ur results?? its 2017 and TIT has really set the standard for poker coaching now, you donks needa evolve. Plz send me $100 for the business coaching i just handed yo dumb ass.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:19 AM   #49
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Why don't u just apologize for the personal attacks and set some rules that from today you are more transparent with ur results?? its 2017 and TIT has really set the standard for poker coaching now, you donks needa evolve. Plz send me $100 for the business coaching i just handed yo dumb ass.
This quote wins. The point is, they will not do this, because i'm in their head and they would rather starve than admit the obvious.

I even told them, i don't gain anything from destroying them or showing to the world that they are garbage snake oil. It cost me a lot of patience over the years to not go after so many garbage threads. But then again, they all come and leave anyway.

You're still dodging the question: Where are VERIFIED STUDENTS RESULTS

People should be warned about coaches who can't produce anything.

I can't resist the jab, but we have coach(es) that outearn all of you combined. Not even talking about myself or how my networth is 10x+ or whatever combined. Irrelevant, but you're losing at any front. You're just very bad informed. But sure, is Galfond comes in and says he earned more money than BPC coaches, fair game. Doesn't make him a better coach...altho when i was a player i learned from him. Again, irrelevant.

The only thing which matters are student's results. Verified ones.

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Old 09-26-2017, 11:33 AM   #50
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Re: d7sarmy.com CFP - learn with d7o1d1s0, FourSixFour and ishter11

BPC business model-

1) Take 500$ deposits from no hopers, spend some of it on mansion parties, keep rest for yourself.

2) Shout at aforementioned no hopers in videos, so they daren't question the knowledge of their coaches who evidently can't beat 100nl. But it's okay because if you tell them their decisions suck enough without explaining they don't question.

If anyone wants an example and a laugh at the same time;



3) Because you have 1000 people paying $500 deposits, most of whom have a desire to improve at poker, maybe 10 out of every 1000 make it to small stakes. These guys you promote endlessly, even years afterwards, and claim all credit for their success.

4) These same guys you are so proud of and talk about nonstop come to George aka you-mad-br0 aka D7sarmy coach on skype and ask for private coaching.

5)
Apply same tactic on internet to attack other coaches as you do in coaching, speaking absolute gibberish aggressively and hoping that no one questions you.

Rinse Repeat, etc etc.

you ask for results, we have been running for 9 months, most students been with us much less than that, multiple guys making 20k+ in that time. When they want to post they will, we're not going to spam there stuff everywhere.

It's basically common knowledge I coached ishter for profits and he has made 500k+ since then, but you choose not to believe that (I wonder why.)



It is possible that he just randomly sent me his 25nl hands in 2014 to be fair I guess.

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