Hi i have 50 eu bank roll (and the 500 eur secure deposit) and i interested in the 6 max micro program, but i heard that in order to move to the next level i need to have 50 bi of the next level it means if i begin NL2 with 50 eu, then i will need 250 eu to move to NL5, is that true? because that can take aprox 2 month of my time to get that could sounds reasonable but then i heard that we need to split every month? so my time to get fron NL2 to NL5 will be longer (lets say 4 month aprox), is that all true? And my last question how many time takes to finish the program aprox playing 40-50 hours per week, starting at nl2 if we need like 4 month to get out of NL2 with that 50 bi rule?. Cya

That depends where you will be playing, most SNG volume is typically done on stars, so it's fine to have all funds there.

If you have any other questions, please write to support@bestpokercoaching.com.

You can also check out our FAQ for CFP here: LINK.

@gustavo: Don't believe everything you hear


We just posted a couple of graphs from guys who started at NL2 with $50. Look below, I will quote one post again, anc check out where he is after about 4 months in the program: over 4000 EUR up, and playing (and slightly winning) at NL50.

There is no reason you could not do it faster than this student, and be on NL100 in 4 months.

If you put in the work and stay disciplined, you will be setting your own limits to success, as always in life and poker.

@gustavo: or this student, for example, practically identical story...

ty for answer, but i know 100% for sure that the 50BI rule to move to the next level is something new you demand, in the past students move up with 30 bi and down in level with 20 bi. Example: with 150 eu play NL5 (30 buy in) but if i am down to 100 eu (20 BI in then i will play NL2 again), with that rule people can move faster in level and finish in 9-12 months the program will be possible. BUt now the rule is different so you need to make 100K hands on current level (reasonable, good imo) plus needed 50BI (ridiculous imo, too much specially when you need to Split everymonth or everyweek not sure about it, please clarify). So now to be direct and sincere starting with 50 eu to move to nl5, 250 eu bankroll will need to make 200 eur after Split, that means 400 eur before spliting 50/50. If i did well with math with 10BB/100 i can make 200 eu in NL2 after 100K hands, so we need 200K hands to make 400 eu and move to the next level. or we need to beging with a higher bankroll. 200K hands in my case could take me 3-4 months, and then 3-4 more months to finsih with NL5, so i think rigth now finish the program in 9 months is imposible, maybe was possible in the pass but not anymore.

Thank you!

I did read the entire FAQ before posting here

@gustavo: Excuses. It's possible now, it was possible yesterday, and it will be possible tomorrow. Some people always find excuses for why it is not possible for them specifically, no matter how many other people have made it and continue to make it.

On the other hand there are guys like the two guys above which I quoted, who started with $50 at NL2 and a few months later are 3-4k+ up, which you expertly calculated is "not possible".

You decide your fate and where you will be; we are the BEST platform for players to skyrocket their profits, no matter where you are today, and our students continue to demonstrate that day after day.

I sincerely recommend you to read our blog about Darwin, who was a total poker beginner before joining BPC, has a family with 2 young kids AND another job that takes him around 50 hours per week.

He joined in the summer, BELIEVED and is making 5k+ each month now for the past 3-4 months. His "secret" in his own words? "Step number one - you have to believe it's possible."

READ HIS STORY HERE >>>

Awesome, man! That's the way to do it.

Hi first i dont know why you dont want to answer me properly (you dont answer about if that is true the 50 bi rule and second dont answer about Split rules, you Split every week, every month is that to difficult to answer me? finaly how many time will take for a player who play 40-50 hours per week to finish the 10K contract starting with 50 eur) i just want to have all clear before signing, zero excuse i play sngs and mtt, never cash but want to try with 6 max micro is i feel is ev+, for example if taking me more than 10-12 months to finish the contract is ev- for me because i already make 500 eu every month constantly in the last 10 months, so maybe the microprogram is not ev+ for me could be for everyone else but not for me. Finally i know you must have some great players who run good and make profit, but i think you should talk about the average and not about the exception, if you have 1000 players and talk me about 20 players all the time, that is not amazing imo. Finally Darwin from Colombia is not playing in the micro 6max program, he is in the HU program and he beging playing NL50 as is documented in his blog: http://es.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...hreadid=343603, and another things his better months were november 2015: 7039 profit, december 2015: 5902 profit, January 2016:3777 profit, so when you said he is making 5k+ each month now for the past 3-4 months isnt true and is irrelevant because i am interested in the micro program. I hope i can have true answers now and no more marketing and cliches words. TYVM

The point about Darwin was not which program he plays, but what the winners of the programs recommend to the newcomers as rule number 1, to do what they did.

You are calculating about BI rules, and months, and EV on NL2... It's funny - that's exactly the opposite of what all the winners in the program do, and that's why I mentioned Darwin. Be smart, take it to heart - it's not marketing but words from the player who has done it himself. And yes, I could quote 20 more, like you said.

He started playing poker in 2015 as a total beginner, and is now averaging 5k+ per month. In a few months he will average 10k+ per month or more. But you will be calculating buyins and worrying about "marketing cliches"..

All the information you need is in the FAQ on our site: https://bestpokercoaching.zendesk.co...r-Profits-CFP-

Today the BI for Micro guys is 50 BI. Yesterday it was 30 BI. Tomorrow it may be 20 BI. The coach decides what is best in a certain situation. "Rules" change for the players depending on their situation. They change to adapt to new conditions. Winners adapt.

Don't worry so much about the little things in life and poker that change all the time. You want guarantees that you will make it, but there are no guarantees in life. If you think you've got what it takes, go for it. If not, not. Simple.

Time to meet our student Dominik!

Dominik had his best CFP month in January, making around 4k EUR - and was super DISAPPOINTED with it. He is a man with high goals and 4k will simply not do. This month he is pushing even harder, and already closing in on 3k after a bit more than a week...

READ HIS STORY HERE >>>

Gustavo, i understand su punto de vista.

You're trying to put this in numbers and figure out if it's "realistic", "how fast you will make it" and if it's worth it for you. And then you get the answer "BELIEVE IT" with a nice graph(S) of somebody who does well and you think "OMG marketing". Right?

I'll make a longer post, because i'm sure it will be needed to answer future questions.

One analogy i use often use is this:

a) Hooker (prepago) = Buy a course / hire coach/hour

vs

b) Relationship (amoooor) = Coaching For Profits


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a) Hooker

If you go to a hooker, you ask what she offers, you agree on exact terms and you pay. If you want an4l or have extra wishes, you pay extra and that's it.
I have a friend who says that it's the most honest profession in the world lol. He has a point. You make a deal, you have fun for an hour or more, you pay and you're done. No strings attached. If the hooker likes you, she might give you extra 5 minutes, but then it's over.


b) Relationship

Becomes more difficult. Both partners want something, but it's a lot more vague. You agree on some principles (i.e. man goes to work, woman takes care of the house), but even then it's hard to put everything in exact terms. The more exact terms you have, the more it becomes a).
In order to make things work, both partners need to have the same vision and need to trust each other. In CFP, you trust us to make the poker decisions and coach you. We trust you that you will play the hours and pay our share. We stay with you when you're "ugly" (low profits) and you promise to stay with us when we made you're pretty (big profits).


Your case:

The reason you feel the answer of BPC support was "marketing" was because what you really want is a hooker. You want to know "how much does An4l cost". And the only correct answer is "it costs xxx".
So if you ask how much our poker courses cost, you will get exactly that answer.

If you ask after how many days/weeks in the relationship you will get an4l (= move up limits), you get a vague answer. We tell you what past lovers have gotten, but we can't guarantee 100% as it depends on so many things. After all, as good partners we only make promises that we know we will keep.

This is EXACTLY the case with cash-outs and limits for buyins:

When we change the rules to 50 BI, then it is for a reason. I have allowed players to move up too fast when they were not ready.
This mostly applies to micro players. We make most money when YOU make most money as fast as possible.
Especially at micro-stakes it makes a LOT of sense for us to push you up to higher limits asap. However, you have to be ready.
Some are ready and through conversation and listening to you in coachings i find out VERY fast. Inside the coachings i even tell people directly "u shud play limit XXX".

In short: You move up whenever your coach decides! If you feel you're ready and email your coach. Ez.

In some cases i agree with the student and even not request a cash-out because i see how much they are committed. In the past i've been in some cases not requesting for 6months. But those students had a big time work ethic.
But it's not something that will be guaranteed. But if you're a good partner, we have a great relationship.

And never forget: We only win if YOU WIN BIG.

Those are the conditions. If you like them join, if not, then don't.

what a funny post the last one, you really make me laugh, well continue with your analogy what i wanted to say is that i think you are not to much sincere with what you offer, is like you offer a very stunning hot hooker and when she get to my apartment is very ugly and smells bad. What i hope when i buy any service or i enter in a program is to be told about the caractheristics (the real one) about what you offer and then receive Close to what i expected. In order to do that you need to be as sincere as posible so if you say someone got from 50 to xxx in anytime you also need to say he wouldnt get that if in the same amount of months with the new rules you apply, because nobody will move faster as the did in the past, so people who want to join the program is aware that is a very long program and will take betwee 1 to 2 year to finish thee microprogram of course if they dont quit before. Another think you say you just win if i win, not really true you will win even if i dont because you have a secure (500 eur ), another thing must be told in here is that those who signed the micro program must know that you will be the only coach for all those XXXX players that you have in the micro program. the program is not a zero risk as you promove in all those marketings flyers i received in the mail. OF course i make the deposit and then i go broke the bankroll then i will be ****ed i will lose my br you will win anyway. So what i want is just people to be pollite and sincere anytime, thats all, Anyway i think your program with all that comented will be good for those who wants to stay in micro for at least one year. So not my case but ty anymore. Cya

Everything is detailed out exactly how things will go. In the FAQ's you read exactly the type of coaching, how often etc.

I'll say it again, you're looking to get full massage, hooker + an4l without condom and 100 guarantees of safety on top.

BPC support just showed you people who moved up from NL2 very fast to NL50. Even one total beginner (yes that beginner plays HU, so what!). They would move up today just as fast because i'm such a good person!

(me being a good person = marketing talk for: i am a good business person and realize that they are so dedicated that i should let them move up fast because it makes BOTH of us more money !!!)

You believe you're smarter by using high school math. That's why you are where you are and I am where i am.
The truth is that you are pessimistic and don't believe in yourself. I think that is sad, because if you would be as dedicated playing and working on yourself as writing forum posts, then you'll be very rich soon.

But this "omg marketing" is getting old. You're just not getting the answer that you want, because we're not gonna promise something without seeing some dedication.

Best wishes!

Who do you think the best hooker is in the poker world?

not too interested in massage, mainly just wanna do anal and bust huge nuts all over my coaches face.

I needed a good laugh. ty.

Hey Gordon / BPC rep!

I have been considering joining your team for some time now and spoke to your support already and we have a "deal" in place. I'm still weighing my options, as I have applied to another "stable" aswell since I will commit a great deal of time and effort I want to be as effective as humanly possible.

I've read a lot of posts in this thread and altho I think there are a lot of ney-sayers who doubt you and your cfp program I read some things I thought were kinda sketchy.

Is it true that I have to register to multiple affiliates of yours AND blog on several plattforms?
What do players do who already have accounts with those affiliates??
You surely understand that I'd like to know such things before I pay the security deposit (which I think is fine btw).

best regards

Hi Atkin,

Thanks for the interest.

Our students do NOT have to sign up on any room or affiliate they don't want to sign on.

If you have accounts with affiliates, keep them, it's no problem. We do have good deals for our students, which are for our students only, and nobody else.

There is strength in numbers, so we can negotiate better deals for our group than you will be given on your own. If something goes wrong, we can get your money safely out. Proven many times in the past, when other players lose money when the site goes down.

So, higher % + safety = you would be smart to take our deals, and you will have an option to do so. If you don't want it, you have no obligation to take them.


Blogs - our students do not have to blog on any platform. For most, blogs are voluntary. For some specific guys in the HU program posting homework and progress weekly is mandatory - but only on our own site.

But keep in mind, if the coach tells you to do 10 equity calculations each day on your blog, you will have to open a blog and do it.

Hello!

Thank you for the very fast answer Ofc if there is mutual benefit to it I'd be an idiot not to take the superior deal. And doing homework and posting it in a blog is ofc out of question aswell (will do a blog anyways)!

I just saw this comment

by that hyper guy which actually made me question if I should sign with you. Because that does not sound like something a legit cfp program would demand of you.
If this is not your procedure but a straight up lie please let me know.

best regards

Atkin,

What is mentioned there was certainly the case and part of me is sad that it's not there anymore.
We've actually reduced some of this stuff as we accepted more micro players and recreational guys into the program. You don't have to register on every site altho we do suggest it, we just don't enforce everything anymore.

Doing this will save everybody a lot of time and as such money.
With affiliates, check the FAQ, it's detailed.
But let's just say, your affiliate has a big incentive to push you on bad sites with shady deals and give guarantees that are worth nothing.

I don't want to make this too long, but understand that as soon as you enter a CFP deal, i will not watch how you get "owned" and lose money by working with bad people who you believe are your best friends bc they chat on skype. I have seen this too often and my top guys over the years have given me too often calls at 3am where i had fix and save them hundreds of thousands accumulated.
Not only because i care on a human level, because it is literally our own money at stake.

It's a shame i have to explain that having a good internet connection and the ability to talk with somebody else (coach!!!) while having poker sites open makes a lot of sense. It's called "stress test". But this is where we have come to these days.

People inside the program praise us regularly for being the most professional people they have ever worked with. And i know it could have not been bc of my vocabulary or lack thereof.
People even email me (micro guys) that they have improved a lot in their job bc of CFP.

You're a polite guy Atkin and asked respectfully, i appreciate that. I hope your question/concern is answered. I have no idea how you use the word legit, but whatever...

Yes it is, thank you!

Just signed up and deposited the sum you asked for in the last e-mail I got. Just awaiting confirmation!

One last question: When can I start crushing approx?

Welcome to the team!

You should already have access to the study materials, and coaching schedules, etc. Follow the steps ahead to set up the rooms, bankroll.

Once you have that set up, could take a couple of hours, you are basically ready to rumble!

My experience with Bestpokercoaching.com has been a negative one.

As I understand it, per terms of the contract that was valid at the time, I'm not really allowed to share anything other than that I was essentially robbed of the security deposit as I decided to leave the program after they wasted 2 weeks of my time and 100-150 euros that I spent on getting new headphones for coaching that I never received.

They did not delived what they promised or advertised and there was no real value in or out, but they still decided to keep my security deposit either way.

Freethemind,

well done. A guy who wanted a cheap shot at all products and then without doing anything walks away. LOL!

You accuse us of not keeping a promise, that's very serious to me.
That's not cool, so at least be specific where we supposedly promised X and did not keep it. If it surpasses the NDA, then PM me, but i want clarity on this for the public. Nobody breaks any promises here.

What you're doing is slander.

To me it sounds like you're a crybaby like somebody else here who had to check his internet connection and then "knew" that that was too much. Then you realized that winning at poker involves some work and boooom you run away.

Your response describes well how you as a business treat your customers. If you get negative feedback, YOU slander the customer for being a crybaby. That's beyond unprofessional. AFAIK, you Gordon are the biggest crybaby here, always turning the tables on others. I mean there couldn't possibly be anything up to dispute with you or your perfect business, right? Anyone who has something bad to say has to be a loser, right?

At first I was writing a longer post, but then I remembered there was a non-disclosure agreement in the contract.

How is me putting faith in your business and paying 250 euros for a security deposit and over 100 euros for a new pair of headphones getting a cheap shot at your "products", which you never delivered?

You advertise your program to be NON-BS and "step-by-step". I signed up for the 6-max SNG program and to my surprise there wasn't any material to study. Zero, zip. I was promised coaching "even the next day after signing up". After that (the next week) it was: "as far as I know, the sessions should start this week". In reality, after 1(2) empty promise(s) on top of not having ANY MATERIAL upon signing up, I waited almost 2 weeks doing nothing. In the week after I had signed up, you released 2 videos on 1 topic and 2 free PokerStrategy articles.

After having this firsthand experience with your business I decided I did not want to waste any more time with a business like yours that was false advertising, wasting peoples time and lying right from the get-go.

You have produced a fair amount of new pros and you're certainly legit in the sense that people have success with your heads up and 6-max programs. What I don't agree with is the false advertising of "being able to go with your own pace" and the program being "step-by-step". I also wouldn't have felt the need to write a negative review unless you would have agreed to refund my security deposit. Per the contract, you have the right to hold the money, but I would have expected to get my deposit back, much in the same way I expect to get my money back if I have to return a broken or a faulty product to the store.

Cheers.