Pic in honor of $teezy:

Review from $teezy about his CFP experience:

* His progress is very typical (Hans wasn't much different). A little bit yoyo, then he just GOT IT. It made "click". I write so often about it, even tell students about it. The thing is, you only really understand it once you are there

Fwiw, he could have definitely been faster (!). Of course we constantly improve (and still have a LOT to improve in our 6m program) and our program will also be better... but it really is the magic "click" moment, which i have not found a 1-week shortcut to ... YET


* The bad month in May is because he really did too much. In addition to grinding, he took a full time job at BPC, which turned out to be very demanding. He improved after, but August clearly proved that he's better without. He will still stay on a team, but on a lot less hours

* Steezy is a prime example why quitting should never be an option, because you could be ONE MONTH AWAY FROM CRUSHING LIKE A MAD MAN.

Many people just don't understand this and believe everything in life is a yes-no answer and some linear progress that can be put into a math-chart. They think they are really (school) smart, but they are dumber than cow-semen and get crushed in the real world every single time.

Reality: It's the classic Pareto 80-20, or as i like to say in poker the 90-10 rule.

* Pretty much all BPC students say that those mindsets are the most important things they learn.



Congrats again and thx for sharing your CFP experience!

Hi Gorden I have some questions.

1. Do you still offer 1-1 coaching besides CFP?
I am interested in your coaching, but not the program.

2. If you do offer private coaching, do you teach same things/concepts as CFP?

1) I get many requests, even had a guy who offered to pay 1000Euro/hr. I declined.
My full energy goes into building BPC even bigger and greater than it is already today.


2) --------


Here is an option however (but that only applies to micro-stakes player who are rich through other sources):

A very wealthy client that i know for some time who wants to simply learn to beat the game contacted me again these days. He can't sign any contracts and that type of stuff, but he still wants to learn what the CFP people learn.

In this case i connected him with a good CFP student. He is paying for a lot of services (because his time is worth a lot!) that make no sense to offer to the masses.

So in case you are very wealthy individual, feel free to PM me.

Otherwise i recommend you to invest in one of our courses first or re-think and join CFP.

Gordon, I understand that a pre-requisite to join the CFP programme is to complete 100,000 hands in 4 weeks. By my reckoning, that would probably take around 4 to 6 hours per day, playing around 4 tables (please correct me if i'm wrong). I, like may others (I assume) would consider themselves as 'time poor' but 'motivationally rich'.

Also, as I understand it, the contracts that are signed, whilst containing mostly standard clauses, also have some individual clauses that suit the particular student. Is there any leeway on the amount of time that you would consider regarding the completion of the 100,000 hands?

Short:
You don't have to play the 100k hands anymore. You can get the contract right away. People who played the 100k hands are first in line, but right now we can take enough new people, so it's not a problem!

Long:

Here is what happened:

We were not able to scale this program, because there is sooo much to learn. Like i say here many times, this **** is a lot more complicated than some spectators might think.

We made the 100k challenge as a filter, so we would pick only the more serious guys... BR size didn't matter, but i just need to know that you will not give up after month 11, when in month 12 you will make 26k Euro profit (like Steezy).

Since then we have perfected the system to a point where we now have enough coaches AND we're able to take hundred new people into the program while still guaranteeing that every student gets enough attention + chance to succeed.

So if I had applied previously and haven't done the 100,000 hands, can I apply again? Also, how much is the security deposit?

You can apply again, OR you just the current application. Just pretend that you completed the 100k (our system has eliminated the 100k part anyways).

Security deposit is typically 500 Euro, but can be adjusted to the situation if other factors are in place. You will talk about this with the CFP manager.

I never played HU before, therefore I am very unsure, if I should apply. My main problem is I am afraid that this system will maybe collapse. I mean it seems you take every guy, which is willing to sacrifice himself and play and learn as much as possible. But with time the ratio between good players and bad players must increase, if you take that much guys. What happens if with time the possible winnings shrinks a lot? Will you reduce the 60k contract or people have to grind it out? I understand that you make player to big winning players, but with time and people finishing your program in the net outcome with time there will be always better and better players, fighting for the same bad players.

Thanks and good luck with your program

I will insert some answers in bold.

Here some thoughts about your last paragraph:

Well, i hope you don't mind some tough words. MANY or MOST people here would write what you write. They do this because they have NO CONFIDENCE and LOW EXPECTATIONS !!!
The hard truth is that they have a lot of reasons for low confidence ;(
BUT YOU CAN CHANGE IT !!!

You will be on the team of winners who will simply always be better/smarter (in the sense of making more money) than the rest.
It's called EVOLUTION. The weak get beaten. Love it or hate it... it's a fact.

Many people say it was "easier" in 2004. But everybody was less educated as well. It's always easy to look back and say "OMG look how stupid people in 1547 were". Having that said, even accounting for differences, it probably was easier back then.
DOES IT MATTER ???
NO, because nobody cares!

All this whining about games getting tough, it's nothing new! When i started at the end of 2006, people said EXACTLY THE SAME **** !!!

So while there is natural variance in markets, i am personally a BIG BELIEVER in poker in the longterm. Here is why:

* Poker and/or gambling games are NOT going away. They've been around since humans are alive

* The price of software goes to 0 over the long run (google docs is FREE, most online services are etc etc). At the moment we see the opposite trend of rake going up on poker sites, but long term it has to go down, creating a lot more profits for players vs sites. Regulation is another reason for that

* The Internet and technology like Bitcoin will enable players to circumvent all regulation

Ok, that's why i am very happy. Maybe poker "could" become tough for a year or maybe it will evolve in some way to decrease the power of software/bots... I don't know!

WHAT I DO KNOW - and this is the ONLY IMPORTANT THING - is that everybody has to answer for himself:

1) Am i a loser or a winner
2) Am i a victim or empowered person


If you want to be a winner and empowered person - and play poker - then you should join our program.
The other questions will be soooo NOT important. But only somebody who is willing to become a winner and empowered will understand this.

Cynical people will always have their smarta$$ "gotcha" questions and theories!


Ok, thanks for this good question and i like the way you write and ask! I hope my super long answer has helped you in feeling about your decision either way.

Wish you the best of luck as well!!!

Wow. Very interesting.

This is pretty shocking.

Makes total sense why the extremely high volume is forced on these guys when everyone in the program is set up on Gordon's affiliate accounts.

This is just a bit weird. Is there any suggestion of doctoring blogs for the unsuccessful players in BPC?

BPC deals have historically been some of the best deals I found online. They didn't take a big cut on those deals.

High volume is probably more about forcing work ethic, rather than conspiracy about them making money. (look at KP24)

Gordon said in his application videos that "Don't apply if you can't follow simple rules"

I rather not take a stance here, but your post seems childish and that you are tilted.

Ha, finally exposed. Can't say I'm surprised at any of it to be honest, the community's deduced most of those things awhile back.

What sites are these guys playing on if I may ask? Pretty sure it's a strict "only play vs bad players" rule right? How are they constantly getting in volume vs fish?

LOL. New account. Anonymous...?!

We have no Romanian who was 7 months in program and quit?!
Nor did we kick ANYBODY out.

Lots of slander and half truths.

Sounds like somebody frustrated... typical slander.

Nothing he says is groundbreaking.

I will ask for it to be moved to CoachingAdvice, where everybody can discuss random dumb accusations from a frustrated loser.


@PokerRon:

I mean, with all our differences and stuff, i thought higher of you than to jump on something super cheap like this.

Nobody is doctoring anything, nor is anybody EVER asked to doctor.

Do u realise how dumb this would be????? I mean, we are a big operation and becoming bigger every single day.

Seriously, PokerRon, as a gentleman you owe me an apology.

We can differ on many things, but you should be above such things/evidence.

I'm not apologising for asking a perfectly valid question (note at no point did I actually make any accusation of anything).

Well, anybody who jumps on anything that somebody who (by his own words!):

* creates fake passports
* breaks contracts at will, signs contract with fake passport (it's a big crime in any country to do this)
* lies and slanders without any proof
* scams

I mean, all of the "haters" . You obviously have your anti-BPC agenda. That's all fine, we can be adults who disagree.

This is below what i have thought you would do, but it just shows your true nature and the true nature of your intentions.

Stop that "reasonable question" BS. Any of you can apply and see how the program is structured.
And by now you should know that you can use a random email to do this...

We're even working on a more detailed FAQ where every single detail is explained (so we save time on questions).

Wait just to be clear, you're saying this "Romanian guy" doesn't exist and his description of CFP has absolutely nothing to do with the actual CFP?

Nahh,
I don't know who he is, literally have little clue (trying to figure out). Could be somebody frustrated?! Otherwise where are the haters and conspirators "omg, only one post"... this time ?

Half truths (aka LIES) etc... i mean, do yourself a favor and look for better spots to channel your BPC jealousy/anger/whatever.

I have no personal beef with any of you haters, you're part of the BPC story and motivate everybody.
You also keep us to high standards and make us work even harder.

Anyways, i always knew the true nature of haters and you're revealing it, one step at the time.

Search through your backlog of €100 skype chat fines....

The only thing that surprises me is that this hasn't happened a lot sooner. On a side note i had a look at the BPC forums and the hand histories and replies are a joke even to me, really really bad.

Which is one of the lies , hence doesn't help.

You have to be very sceptical about a 1-post account levelling accusations which are all either subjective or have already been made in the last few pages.

Would be interested to see proof of some of these, if it exists.

For observers of the last posts:

The post in question (some quoted) got deleted by the 2p2 mods for reasons that should actually need no explanation.
I will ask for the rest of the discussion, including this post, to be moved to the Coaching Advice forum where everybody can discuss in great detail on the next conspiracy.

I think as a poker community we can have our differences, but all of us should stand behind fair rules. And when people ("the haters") jump on a self admitting scammer who openly states that he

* created fake passports and signed a contract with it (this is jail time in every country!)
* breaks contracts
* will pirate material
* tells lies and half truths without any evidence

and then "the haters" quote him and then believe any of this stuff has merit, then this is a very sad moment. It really shows the true nature of those people and exposes them for what they are.

I already got a PM from somebody apologizing, which i think is honorable of that person. A lot of people have apologized in the past in the history of this thread.

I don't need anybody to apologize, altho it is honorable. I know that my personality will also not make anybody feel sorry. If you do great and big work, you can't be everybody's friend. And i know there will be many people in the future who will be p1ssed for many reasons - even people i deeply care for.

When you build something and put yourself out there, this is part of the deal.

All i kindly ask is to be factual and not be a fly who jumps on every piece of ****.

Thx!

Well.
I am a friend with one of the guys from BPC who already finished.
We even met with Nate in Medellin like a year ago.
Honestly people don't understand what it is all about. Nate focus and push players to grind like enormous hours per day/week/month. Like there is quite a few guys grinding 200+ hours per month (few close to 300h hours). And I talk about the grind not working on the game etc.
Honestly I don't think it sustainable and most of the guys after fininshing their program will be severly burned out but thats not the problem for Nate he is just to make his profits in it. But it is not magic most of us if pushed ourselves to grind 2x what we do now and improve table selection and skill would make a lot more. There is no magic trick.

The whole BPC is made so Nate/Gordon would make the most of it but is hardly something negative (I mean we would do it too if we were in his shoes). Personally I am impressed that the guys are willing to work for free to be his buddy " and be part of something bigger, BPC" (like most of the previous students that coach there don't make money of it , all goes straight to Nate pocket).
But again wish I had such a skill in networking/relationships.

Hey Gordon,

I apllied for the program and am now in the contract section and unfortunately I am not able to put in 50+ hours per week and only would have 35 hours because of job and university.
But in the FAQ section you suggest that you are working on a lighter version of the CFP program with less hours. Do you have any idea when this "lighter" version might be introduced?