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10-29-2014 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by navs
Hey Gordon,

Since you have many active students/customers publicly blogging and you have challenged other coaches to have their students do the same in order to compare results; what would you estimate is the actual success rate of each product/coaching service for the avg break even NL25 to Nl100 player that you provide? With Success being defined at >33% increase in the consumers hourly win rate in < 3 month time frame.

I realize this is an unfair question with out knowing what the actual baseline is of other coaching products/services and is probably hard to know the results of even your own products, so I understand if you don't want to answer.
Well, you do not know how BADLY i want to answer this question because it bothers me deeply.

Why don't you ask those coaches directly WHY they don't do coaching for profits? I guarantee you that you will get some politician like bull**** answer.
They are not going to say that they are not capable. They will say they are "busy" (lol) or some other lame excuse.


1) First of all, YOU are responsible and no coach in the world will be able to help you unless you are willing to. No coach is a magic pill. I am very happy when students tell me that i'm close to that lol. Feels great, but i am not a magic pill, sorry.

Despite all those great results of my students, the students deserve the glory. They get yelled at (by me lol) , they are working their asses off. They show real character in the tough times. I'm just putting my money & time where my mouth is. THEY are the real heros.


2) Your question is too vague as it depends on how many hours this player will invest. How closely will he follow the advice of the coach? I'll need a lot more specifics, but whatever you invest in coaching should have a positive return.

3) What i can tell you is that EVERYBODY who enters the coaching for profits will have their best month ever with me. Some already did that in month 1 and 2, others will soon. In the end we always win, because losing is not an option.
Overall students will make at least 100% more of what they have earned before. This way the coaching pays for itself + the best education possible for free.

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When you buy courses at my site instead of going into the coaching for profits, you know that the material that you buy is high class and PROVEN to work with people who had no money and no skills.
If you study all on your own, you decide how hard you work. You could even move up without paying a big cut to us. I'm happy as well this way.

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What i critisize in other coaches (not all, but most) is that they are not willing to show in the most pure form (coaching for profits) that they are actually worth their money.

Why don't they tell people to publicly comment on their success? Why is it that the only thing they have are lots of reviews from friends or some people who run good over a short sample?
I mean, i also have happy people who ran good over a small sample...nothing wrong with that. I also know that not 100% of people who buy my course will be totally happy. You can't make everybody happy.

But why not present at least ONE (i have roughly 15 now and growing!) examples of before and after, publicly documented ???

Don't fool yourself. Don't listen to them especially when my n00b students make more $$$ than them after talking to me a few times!
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10-31-2014 , 11:54 AM
Hi Gordon,

Just a quick suggestion regarding you cfp application form.

It doesn't really account for anyone thinking about switching format. So anyone applying with a sng/mtt or even live cash background could come across as a total beginner in poker. No graph/sample to upload, no area to explain poker background.

Not a criticism just an observation.
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10-31-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DublinMeUp
Hi Gordon,

Just a quick suggestion regarding you cfp application form.

It doesn't really account for anyone thinking about switching format. So anyone applying with a sng/mtt or even live cash background could come across as a total beginner in poker. No graph/sample to upload, no area to explain poker background.

Not a criticism just an observation.
Hey, thx for the input.

I have actually thought about this, but essentially you would be treated like a cash newbie.
People switching format could even be harder to train like a noob. Not the rule, but quite often.
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10-31-2014 , 07:40 PM
<- Cash noob ITT so
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10-31-2014 , 09:27 PM
In b4 new courses release
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11-01-2014 , 12:49 AM
A few questions for you Gordon, if you don't mind:

i) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that you said somewhere that 70% of what you taught Hans in your coaching sessions wasn't directly poker strategy. Could you elaborate on what you meant by this?

ii) Is there a significant amount of strategy content you teach people in your 1-on-1 coaching that can't be found when purchasing your courses?

iii) How are you able to produce big winners today despite being retired from active poker for several years, and away from personally experiencing how the games have changed?

Thanks
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11-01-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedEquity
A few questions for you Gordon, if you don't mind:

i) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that you said somewhere that 70% of what you taught Hans in your coaching sessions wasn't directly poker strategy. Could you elaborate on what you meant by this?

ii) Is there a significant amount of strategy content you teach people in your 1-on-1 coaching that can't be found when purchasing your courses?

iii) How are you able to produce big winners today despite being retired from active poker for several years, and away from personally experiencing how the games have changed?

Thanks
i) The answer will likely not help, but i will give it a try. Will probably make a youtube vid about it as well.

In the bible it says something like "those who don't believe, cannot see it" . Only through coaching i have discovered the deeper meaning behind this. Fwiw, i am not religious at all (!), but have discovered over time that teaching can be mysterious and spiritual in some way.

Translation:
The student has to be open and willing to listen to the new way of thinking. The new way of thinking is transmitted through coaching and playing. Think of a winners mindset like a "spirit" that you pass on. That's why people who are long enough in coaching with me ALL become winners.
A more scientific way of looking at this would be that we become who we spend most time with. Or, if you repeat good things often enough (even if you disagree or if it is against your will) then at one time you will internalize and implement it.

TLDR:
The best students just listened and did exactly what they were told to implement into their game. This may sound obvious, but the majority is not ready to accept change. You may read this and disagree. I can tell you the moment you fully understand is the moment you already WILL BE successful.

How do you know that you "get it":

You don't. That is the weird thing. People who are on this new level can see if you are ready, but you can't. You will only see it for yourself, once you have already done it yourself.

I don't expect anybody to really, but it's the answer to the question.


ii) No. I tell people to get my courses before 1-1 coaching, because that is exactly the type of stuff that we talk about anyways.
The courses are the best substitute for 1-1 coaching. You get soooo many lessons a lot cheaper.

1-1 Coaching has other advantage as we can tailor the material exactly to your needs, but from a price perspective NOTHING can beat poker courses.

iii)

This has to do a lot with i). People think they know what is needed to become and stay a winner. But the irony is that if they REALLY knew, they would actually BE successful.

My "secret" is that i understand poker on a deep level and i understand evolution and changes on a deep level.
I can look at a player and simply know exactly what that player needs to do in order to beat the games. I detect weak points/leaks incredibly fast and can analyze situations in a simple way. This is what made me be a winner at high stakes games.

This type of skill set does NOT change over time. The rules of poker have not changed. The fundamentals have been the same and will be the same in 100 years.

I know people want "updated" stuff. And i will deliver this, although i only do it to eliminate the barrier because some people will not listen and will never be helped unless i provide them with "updated" material. Let's say, it is
"necessary bullsht" that i have to put up with

The easiest way would be if students simply looked and see that i produce results. And then ask "what do i have to do" and then simply do what i tell them to do.

The most successful students have exactly done that...
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11-01-2014 , 01:47 PM
NEW POKER COURSE:

Mastering 3bet Pots in 2015

For the early birds: http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/mas...t-pots-in-2015

Please watch the video first before asking questions, because i assume most of them will be answered there.

It is ready to watch. You can find the price in the video + description.

We will have to still update the description and add sneak peak videos, but the course is done and ready to watch!

For whom:
Nl50-Nl400 . If you play NL10-Nl25 you can get this course, too. You should be willing to work extra hard tho.


More info and a more "official" launch will come soon.

(Hansthegreat's course is also done, but he was late in sending details about the page to our team. Unfortunately we are tied on the bet (we had a bet that the person who doesn't finish before Nov1st will lose 3k euro)
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11-03-2014 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinkItThrough
i) The answer will likely not help, but i will give it a try. Will probably make a youtube vid about it as well.

In the bible it says something like "those who don't believe, cannot see it" . Only through coaching i have discovered the deeper meaning behind this. Fwiw, i am not religious at all (!), but have discovered over time that teaching can be mysterious and spiritual in some way.

Translation:
The student has to be open and willing to listen to the new way of thinking. The new way of thinking is transmitted through coaching and playing. Think of a winners mindset like a "spirit" that you pass on. That's why people who are long enough in coaching with me ALL become winners.
A more scientific way of looking at this would be that we become who we spend most time with. Or, if you repeat good things often enough (even if you disagree or if it is against your will) then at one time you will internalize and implement it.

TLDR:
The best students just listened and did exactly what they were told to implement into their game. This may sound obvious, but the majority is not ready to accept change. You may read this and disagree. I can tell you the moment you fully understand is the moment you already WILL BE successful.

How do you know that you "get it":

You don't. That is the weird thing. People who are on this new level can see if you are ready, but you can't. You will only see it for yourself, once you have already done it yourself.

I don't expect anybody to really, but it's the answer to the question.


ii) No. I tell people to get my courses before 1-1 coaching, because that is exactly the type of stuff that we talk about anyways.
The courses are the best substitute for 1-1 coaching. You get soooo many lessons a lot cheaper.

1-1 Coaching has other advantage as we can tailor the material exactly to your needs, but from a price perspective NOTHING can beat poker courses.

iii)

This has to do a lot with i). People think they know what is needed to become and stay a winner. But the irony is that if they REALLY knew, they would actually BE successful.

My "secret" is that i understand poker on a deep level and i understand evolution and changes on a deep level.
I can look at a player and simply know exactly what that player needs to do in order to beat the games. I detect weak points/leaks incredibly fast and can analyze situations in a simple way. This is what made me be a winner at high stakes games.

This type of skill set does NOT change over time. The rules of poker have not changed. The fundamentals have been the same and will be the same in 100 years.

I know people want "updated" stuff. And i will deliver this, although i only do it to eliminate the barrier because some people will not listen and will never be helped unless i provide them with "updated" material. Let's say, it is
"necessary bullsht" that i have to put up with

The easiest way would be if students simply looked and see that i produce results. And then ask "what do i have to do" and then simply do what i tell them to do.

The most successful students have exactly done that...
Just stopping by to confirm this. The whole truth in one short post. Absolutely lovely post Gordon.
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11-05-2014 , 11:15 AM
hi im wondering which to buy,the no-bull**** book or the how to beat the microstakes 2-25nl

i've been taking poker seriously for about a year and started at 2nl and have been stranded at 10NL 6 max zoom for ages and after the last shot i took at 25NL,i dropped back to 10NL and have been on a steady downer since and im back at 5NL (sickened)

i've had 3 coaching sessions with a coach in the summer
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11-05-2014 , 02:19 PM
Really interested in the Mastering 3bet pots package. Anyone whose bought it and can give a review? Also, Gordon. When is Hans course coming and can you give a hint on what its about?

Best regards

Swc
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11-05-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kingreigns
hi im wondering which to buy,the no-bull**** book or the how to beat the microstakes 2-25nl

i've been taking poker seriously for about a year and started at 2nl and have been stranded at 10NL 6 max zoom for ages and after the last shot i took at 25NL,i dropped back to 10NL and have been on a steady downer since and im back at 5NL (sickened)

i've had 3 coaching sessions with a coach in the summer
Definitely get the Nobs-6max course. From what you describe, that's your best choice.
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11-05-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SmartWentCrazy
Really interested in the Mastering 3bet pots package. Anyone whose bought it and can give a review? Also, Gordon. When is Hans course coming and can you give a hint on what its about?

Best regards

Swc
@SWC: You should just grab a copy. Obviously there are no reviews out there by now, but the best reviews possible are successful students, no ?

I will ask people who bought it to write a review tho.

Hans' course: How to Crush Fish in 2015 (6max)

Link: http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/how...-in-2015-6max/

I highly recommend this course. I have taught him most of the concepts in the course personally. He has internalized the knowledge and refined it even further, bringing things on a completely new level. I know and have seen with my own eyes how much work he has put into having a two digit winrate in todays "tough games".

There are other people who brag about having a big winrate. Those people get their winrate by game selecting a LOT, playing very few tables and super low volume. No disrespect, but they look like little children next to Hans.

Hans is on another level. He game selects, but still plays 8-10tables at the same time and CONSISTENTLY makes more money at those limits than anybody out there. More money than all coaches on this forum as well (afaik). I assume he is the best in the world in terms of winning at small stakes.

Other people have 20-30k low samples with a nice brag. Hans shows his skills over a million hands. This is the REAL stuff.

Besides that, he is very nice and helpful in his blog and has given way too much advice away for free. I told him that he should think a bit more about himself as well...
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11-05-2014 , 05:38 PM
cool going to buy it now
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11-05-2014 , 06:55 PM
I see most critics and haters stay well away from this thread
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11-05-2014 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinkItThrough
@SWC: You should just grab a copy. Obviously there are no reviews out there by now, but the best reviews possible are successful students, no ?

I will ask people who bought it to write a review tho.

Hans' course: How to Crush Fish in 2015 (6max)

Link: http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/how...-in-2015-6max/

I highly recommend this course. I have taught him most of the concepts in the course personally. He has internalized the knowledge and refined it even further, bringing things on a completely new level. I know and have seen with my own eyes how much work he has put into having a two digit winrate in todays "tough games".

There are other people who brag about having a big winrate. Those people get their winrate by game selecting a LOT, playing very few tables and super low volume. No disrespect, but they look like little children next to Hans.

Hans is on another level. He game selects, but still plays 8-10tables at the same time and CONSISTENTLY makes more money at those limits than anybody out there. More money than all coaches on this forum as well (afaik). I assume he is the best in the world in terms of winning at small stakes.

Other people have 20-30k low samples with a nice brag. Hans shows his skills over a million hands. This is the REAL stuff.

Besides that, he is very nice and helpful in his blog and has given way too much advice away for free. I told him that he should think a bit more about himself as well...
Alright, ill give you that. No reviews are needed, past work has set the tone. Im buying both courses in a day or two Keep the good work up.
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11-05-2014 , 09:01 PM
Hi Gordon are you still coaching for profit? If so, where may I apply? I currently play full time and am willing to die approximately three times for a coaching for profit deal!
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11-06-2014 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Coleboyx
Hi Gordon are you still coaching for profit? If so, where may I apply? I currently play full time and am willing to die approximately three times for a coaching for profit deal!
Will have new openings earliest in Jan 2015.

We're completely outbooked/overloaded. You can apply right now as well and see if you pass the criteria, but next openings will be in the new year.
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11-06-2014 , 04:27 PM
Thanks, I will PM you on 2p2!
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11-06-2014 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinkItThrough
Will have new openings earliest in Jan 2015.

We're completely outbooked/overloaded. You can apply right now as well and see if you pass the criteria, but next openings will be in the new year.
Wait, this doesn't apply to me right? I got in in August, but was busy with school. Your assistant said I can just do the 100k hand challenge and then claim my spot.
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11-06-2014 , 04:46 PM
Im not Gordon but i would assume your not in. Seeing as the 100k challenge is for them to see if your CFP material or not. I lost my spot and i didnt even need to do the 100k challenge, i was already in. But was abit slow and now its full.
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11-06-2014 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SmartWentCrazy
Im not Gordon but i would assume your not in. Seeing as the 100k challenge is for them to see if your CFP material or not. I lost my spot and i didnt even need to do the 100k challenge, i was already in. But was abit slow and now its full.
This. SWC understands CFP better than most people inside it

The 100k is a first test for people with a lower BR (higher risk, hence you have to prove extra. At BPC we believe in helping everybody who is willing to. For this reason we have NL2 players in the program despite having tons of higher staked players willing to take the spot).

I make very clear that there is no such thing as an "guarantee" until a contract is signed. In the pre-videos you are told that you should be willing to do those things for yourself and your own progress.

By the way, i could let more people in, but the quality of coaching and overall service that you would receive would not be great.

Since the start of BPC, the approach has always been QUALITY over quantity. With poker courses, coaching and everything we touch.

I can't wait to let more people in tho! This is lots of fun to see people have their best months ever after just a short time.
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11-06-2014 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinkItThrough
This. SWC understands CFP better than most people inside it

The 100k is a first test for people with a lower BR (higher risk, hence you have to prove extra. At BPC we believe in helping everybody who is willing to. For this reason we have NL2 players in the program despite having tons of higher staked players willing to take the spot).

I make very clear that there is no such thing as an "guarantee" until a contract is signed. In the pre-videos you are told that you should be willing to do those things for yourself and your own progress.

By the way, i could let more people in, but the quality of coaching and overall service that you would receive would not be great.

Since the start of BPC, the approach has always been QUALITY over quantity. With poker courses, coaching and everything we touch.

I can't wait to let more people in tho! This is lots of fun to see people have their best months ever after just a short time.
That's strange why did your assistant tell me I should do the 100k hand challenge after I asked her if I could claim my spot? I posted in this thread about that too actually and you didn't tell me it was too late too do it. I wasted quite a bit of my (and your VIP manager's) time setting up the account to do the challenge and everything.

So what now?

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