Hello Gordon,

About me :
I'm playing 6max for about 6 months more "seriously" then before and starting with 100$ at NL10 grinded my way to NL30 with about 1300$ BR. I read some books/theory too, I think I got strong basic fundamentals.
I believe I'm more of a "casual" player in the sense that I have job/family to take care of and can't play 8hrs+/day, but when I'm playing I like to be competitive.

During my grind, more then once, I tried to "have a shot" at NL30 and I failed 3 times due to some misplays and being overly agressive towards fishs (and also some massive coolers).
Each time, I switched back to NL10 and reloaded.
At try n. 4, I finally "succeeded" (and totally tweaked my approach towards bad players as well) and over the last month I'm playing for around +12bb/100 at NL30. Small sample I know but I'm really confident that I can play consistent poker around +8-15bb at this level. Where I play the competition is pretty bad besides some regs; the typical table is 3 regs and 2 fishs (sometimes 3)and me, which is quite nice I believe.

My questions :

- Is the 6-max course worth for me ? I mean I don't expect to DOUBLE my winrate, as I know it's more a "marketing line" then anything else, is it ? (it can be factor TEN for a bad player as it can be +10-20% for somebody already doing fine I guess). But will I learn a "new" way to play and/or think about the game ? Do you advocate a really original approach towards the game ? Will I sometimes (often) think "holy ****" watching the courses videos ?

- You say it's geared towards NL25-400, but is it more leaning towards NL100-200-400 players than the small stakes I'm playing at ?

- In your free video of presentation, it's written that you don't go over some subject, including "cold calling", but it is present in the list of videos... typo ? It's important to me as it is an area where I have to improve. And books I read don't speak that much about it neither.

- Will be there a promotion of some sort soon ?

Thanks in advance for your answers

thought i would post this and is completely un asked of me and have no connection with gordon atall

basically iv been following this thread for a while well actually since BPC first started and he done the coaching for profits which i was going to join but missed the first group but then it stopped so i basically emailed him asking if there would ever be another group set up in future as im new to 6max and from what i have seen gordon pretty much sounds like only coach who genuinely cares about students as basically iv tried all training sites but nothing seemed to work so as i said i emailed them asking if there was going to be another coaching for profits kinda deal they had last year as (although id give my right arm for the double your 6max) its simply out of my price range especially since moving into first home e.t.c and its now gotten to the point where nothing works i may just wind up packing it in

but i did get an email saying altough there aint any plans they did send me a free copy of secret poker millionare mind which in my eyes is a selfless act which didnt have to be done so whatever your oppinions of gordon and his coaching products are theres very few if not any that would do something like that its a shame that i cant afford the double your 6 max as id of loved to post a graph showing every1 yeah it does work as a way of saying thanks but who knows mabey one day

anyway thought i would just say my thanks

Hi, first of all respect for having family + poker and doing well at it.

Let me answer step by step so you can make up your mind:

1) Doubling a 15bb winrate like yours is of course impossible, unless you figure out a way to see the cards of your opponents (if so, pls PM me )

But the name of the course is meant to be serious, but of course not literally in all cases. If your winrate is between 1-4bb the course can indeed double your winrate.

There are "holy ****" effects in the sheer beauty of simplicity. But if you're looking for something along the lines of "magic" and "tricks how to call with Q-high" , this is NOT the right course for you.
Ask yourself how you have come as far as you did? Probably wasn't by trying to be a genius. So all that you need is some higher quality info than you've seen before. The attitude and the way to win will NOT change.
To me it seems you got the attitude part down.

I know making sick plays is entertaining and fun (i love it myself), but truth to be told, at poker the SIMPLE plays, the intelligent, logical, straightforward play wins.
Don't believe me. Don't watch poker news. Look at a large sample of players and look who the consistent winners are. You never hear of them. They usually don't post on forums a lot. The people you hear about are either the few geniuses who make it work (Durrrr and perhaps Isildur, although the guy probably is broke every 2nd month).

It's not always sexy, but i make my courses as sexy/fun as possible. But i teach on what is proven to work and not on what "looks good" .


2) More towards Nl50-Nl200. Got many NL25 students as well and they love it. If you feel a basic question isn't answered, we got a forum at bestpokercoaching.com .


3) Like on 2), one person told me about it, so i covered it quickly in one video. But i don't mention this, its more like a bonus, because it's not covered intensively. Don't want you to buy it and expect to find a lot about cold-calling.
This is more of an overview and a quick summary. Anyways, preflop is overrated in most cases anyways


4) Email support@bestpokercoaching.com for promotions. My assistant Alexa is always up to date.
Everybody who signs up to the free 100k Strategy Newsletter, will stay updated in regards to promos.



Ok, let me know if there is anything else that i can help you with so you can make an educated decision!


- Gordon

@Yolda:

Also, the sample videos are picked on purpose. They reflect the way i teach in the course.
So if you wanna get an idea how other videos look like, thats the best way.

Could be interesting ...

Where are you from? You seem to speak several languages. And how old are you? You lived in all these countries or you learned them by yourself?

Don't caress my ego to much lol .

The short version:

I'm 25yo, half German half American. Grew up in Germany, but got family from many countries like Russia and Finland.

I just love travelling and learning languages (on my own, books, audio). Been doing this for almost 6 years now.

The long version: another time

A Discussion Thread has been created in Coaching Advice. The discussion in the thread you are reading currently took a bypass for three days to discuss the refund policy as well as the screen name and lifetime graphing topics that are/were posted on ThinkItThrough's website. ChicagoRy and I felt we should move that discussion into its own thread...HERE
King Spew


I replied to Keyser and Tannenj via PM. I also plan to clean up some of this thread and discussion tomorrow (I'll move some of the larger debate to the coaching advice forum, and a few of the recent attack posts will be lost, the rest will stay here), now that the customer has been refunded.

To the post quoted here, there is nothing wrong with negative or non strengths being in a coaching thread. Someone not posting recent results, graphs, screen names, not responding to a question, not updating their thread regularly, not responding to PMs, that's all stuff that makes those that do it make more money and those that don't make less. The goal is not to have perfect coaching threads here, the goal is to have coaching threads and to give students a choice. When you say the coach responded poorly in this thread, that's exactly it. It's there, others can see it and make their own judgement. Your opinion, my opinion, they are not infallible. I saw some users take one side on this issue, others took another, and there were some that took multiple points from each side. If I take one side or we require there to be one side to it all, that's not really to the benefit of the community. I know we all want everyone to think alike, or that is the driving emotion often, but it's not the best. And I'm about to talk more about it, but it's why I don't think the 10+ posts in 3 days type stuff is helpful to anybody here (state your argument and reasoning, maybe one or two follow ups if discussion is heavy like it got here, but then let others weigh in and see if the strength of your argument stands/your argument is there for others to see).

And my post about Keyser and Tannenj largely was more about the style and frequency of their posts. I did not specify in my post because my post was about Gordon refunding money, not about these two or even the customer reneging on his promise (and losing too much money is not a valid excuse, especially for someone who has been playing too high, well beyond logical bankroll management since before purchasing this package, including up until today according to his posts in this thread).

Anyways, I just feel that Keyser and Tannenj would take a much more toned down style of posting and would post much less frequently if their sole aim was to improve the community. I think they get off on the attacks as much as helping others, and that was my complaint. It doesn't make them bad guys, but it explains my post. Keyser doesn't need to respond to every post in this thread during this discussion and nobody needs to call a coach (or other poster) a bunch of "douche" type names. That doesn't mean we can't get emotional or get aggressive at times, but it's gone beyond that, and if it's not an ulterior motive it's still present and it's not helpful.

What bankroll will be need someone who play NL50 and you with teach him Gordon?

Hi,

Short answer: ~$2000 + whatever you are willing to invest in coaching

Detailed answer:

Bankroll management is a simple, yet complicated issue. Some people can play with 20Buyins (a lot of discipline needed, a lot of moving up and down), others need 50Buyins (= BI), some need 100BI.

The GOAL of good BRM is to not go broke. If you move down a limit at the right time, you'll never go broke. So the more discipline you have when moving down and not tilting, the less BR you need (i always presuppose that you got the skill and are +ÉV in the games played)

One of the mistakes i made is was to have to many BI's. I could have moved up even faster, but i had no safety net (rich parents, university degree etc). You could also say i was a huge pussy .
So i don't suggest to be to tight with BRM.

Everybody has their "own" BRM, but 40 Buyin is still on the safe side.

Also, i always encourage a lot of passion. Real champions do whatever it takes. If you know that you want to give poker a real shot, you're at the right place.

I will add the best portion of knowledge, and you have to work hard. That combination is always successful.

Hey its been a while decided to drop a message and just let everyone im still doing well had some family issues etc. but im still getting there in terms of poker here are my results for now low sample still i know but will hopefully get more volume in after i fix my family problems :P

WOOPS didnt work heres the graph for now

http://imageshack.us/f/87/graph2z.png/

**ALSO this whole graph is when I started working with Gordon***
Btw as you can tell the first 4000 hands was when we were playing 10NL and 4NL only everything else is at 50NL. WAS running hotter then the sun at 1 point about 10 buy ins EV then the poker gods took that away from me as u can notice from the downswing
and as a consequence my blue line TANKED :'(.

Just wanted to post this graph for people to consider getting help from gordon, hes helped me a ton although a lot i also did myself, but this graph is just way too low of a sample, so just take it into consideration when getting coaching from gordon but DON'T think that this rate is sustainable just because I have it at this moment its at about ~27bb/100 avg because I sure don't think it is even though im running a bit below EV I think card distribution is just going towards my favor and DON'T think gordon is all causes for turning winrates to high ended double digits what he will do though is TURN a bad/mediocre player into a good player, and a good player into a better one. Every single day that I work with him he teaches me one new thing to remember to use, or even one old thing that hes taught me but i forgot because yeah obviously i still make mistakes and do things he tells me not to do sometimes I do it because I forget, and sometimes I know its bad (i usually end up playing too much tables/lose focus and the natural old plays that I would think is correct (NO LOGIC just playing) Im definitely working at that, he won't be able to help me with that and thats on me, although what i can say about gordon is that hes a GREAT coach and he will get you there as long as you have TIME and DEDICATION. AND even if you don't have as much time he'll still be there to help you I actually didn't contact him when I finished my hands I barely finished it the day before and was suppose to get in touch with him but I was dealing with some family issues, and was trying to fix everything so didn't contact him. So instead he contacted me and asked me how everything was going and was glad that I was doing well, and IF thats not a coach who cares about his students success, then well i'll shoot both of my feet and I will never walk again.

ALSO btw I forgot who said something about 75k hands is too low of a sample and people question gordons coaching ability because of that. I agree that 75k hands is too low of a sample for 6MAX and 9MAX (I had about 400k hands onthere and thought after 70K hands i was a serious crusher). But I completely disagree for HU and I think 50K hands is considered a good enough sample so gordon does has his credentials for HU. And Pokerstrategy confirmed that his graphs are real, don't know much more about it but i'm sure if someone had a real issue with it pokerstrategy can just post one time and say "Gordons winrate for HU for his other accounts go as follow, etc etc." to finally STOP people from asking for graphs database etc. Just my opinion and I think whoever disagrees should sign a contract to play gordon HU for 75K hands no quitting and we'll see if its a large enough sample . I'm sure gordon would be up for it.

Oops forgot to also say the thing im talking about with the "HANDS" is that we had an agreement for me to play 5K hands before i keep in touch with him. As you Know for Heads Up it does take a while longer to get that much, I would think about 3 days or so (not sure) But I took about 9 days to finish it, i didn't get to play as much as I wanted to everyday like sometimes i only got to play 2 hours b/c of my family issues.

if you get gordon to sign this aswell, this sounds like a dream come true. we can have a side bet aswell. minimum stakes 10/20 (he's coaching high stakes players after all), 50k hands, gogo?

Without taking one side or the other here, I can assure you there are multiple people on this forum who 100% disagree and would be chomping at the bit to play Gordon for 75k hands.

HU4rollz biatchas and biatchus

Sry ImaChampion, i know its all in good support, but those HU Grudge stuff is never working.
IIRC even the two people in the world who i believe in most - Durrrr and Jungle - haven't completed their challenge.

Lets keep this focused on-topic. And i hope you keep working hard so you'll beat me up soon

@Internet:
Haha, you know as well this stuff never happens on teh Interwebz.

I was told you've won the theory battle over at pstrat and Patrick had only good things to say about you.
We can shoot a vid one day playing vs each other if you want, but all friendly.

Also, if you're into Skiing these days, lemme know. One week in Oesiland. I prefer my chances there on the slopes over a theory battle

Good luck until then!

Thx, i have only quoted the upper part.

Just wanna make sure, we only played NL4 for a lot of exercises and to get started since ImaChampion was totally new to HU. He went through the whole HU Masterrmind, did ALL exercises.

I've written it down now, watch this guy. His dedication is top notch.

So when he says "a lot i also did myself" , this is exactly what a good student should do. All i can do as a coach is give the right info and motivation.

No matter how much praise i get as a coach, its you as a student who deserves the majority of it.

I see myself more as the person to faciliate the growth faster. Anyways, low sample, but you'll keep us updated.

This question isn't necessarily directly at gordon, but are there any posts or players who have been coached by gordon who were already winners at NL100+ over a real sample? I only see players at NL25 and below making comments? And usually for small samples too.

I'm just genuinely curious. If you had some results from players who came to you already doing decent at NL50-200 (maybe even breaking even but making solid $ at rakeback) and now are playing NL200-NL600 with good results, you'd be able to get some solid NL50-NL200 players signing up with you regularly IMO.

Good question. Actually most of my students are NL50 - NL400. I don't know everybody who makes comments btw! But the ones who take 1-1 coaching are 99,9% NL 50 + .
I don't recommend 1-1 coaching in most cases for people who play below NL50 and have rejected quite a few players when i don't think its a good investment for them.

(Some of those who buy courses play lower as well, which is fine. If you play lower high quality courses are the way to go. But i don't know everybody in person)


Also if you read through the thread, you will find more NL 200+, but ofc, its a very long thread .

Other students:

I have some students from pokerstrategy as well. Often they don't post much and i don't ask students to post graphs (have done so 2 times so far) here.

I should be more proactive in this matter.

Important / Get to know others:

If you as a visitor care about meeting me in person / getting to know other students, that's always possible.

I've for example talked about one of my best students, who i taught everything from NL5 (=busto donk) to crushing NL 2000 (Heads Up). Couple months ago he was the runner-up of the Irish Poker Open ("Thomas Beer" if you care to search).

I've never asked him to post in this thread, like a few others. I probably should. Its not because i'm so humble , its just because i didn't bother.

Why? Coaching is not my source of income. I love doing it, it is fun and very rewarding to read the thank you emails. It makes some money, but it's not that i'm in great need of students.
I'll take every new student who is motivated.

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Anyways, one other student, known as "Trader" on pokerstrategy was a winning player at NL50/100 and his winrate increased over a 100k+ sample.

He had the same questions like you. He's gonna join for skiing (starts in 2 days, i'm about to board my plane to Europe). Tom and other friends will join and we're gonna have a fun time!

One other example of a successful student is the 2+2 Mod "Scipio". I'll ask him on skype to drop a comment. He posted before in the thread though.

"Magne87" , very famous on donkr knows my poker game probably better than anybody else. We've moved up together from NL200 - NL5000.
He's not a 2p2 superstar, but oh well.
He does a podcast on donkr and said that i've been the "biggest help to his poker game". That goes both ways in this case.

All i wanna say is that those who are searching genuinely will find enough info to get a satisfying answer. And if not, the world is big, there are many other coaches you can look out for.



Ok, so far so good. Let me know if i can help you with anything else!

Gordon tell me to write and confirm. I was student and he helped me move up and win NL2000.


I almost gived up at one point, but Gordon put cash into my hand (that i payed him for coaching), said "i dont need your *** money" and told me only "f u c king pieces of shi* give up" and he will force me to win and not be a girl.
(Sorry Gordon for saying this in public)
Lol, i owe him very much and know so many other player who also do. With his style he is not friend of everybody, but best guy, with big heart, i can say.
Sometimes to crazy.

Next month was best of my life.

He not always is this direct, because he already know me better in life (good friends now), but it helped me a lot.

Hi ! I want to buy the heads up mastermind poker course. However before I buy it , I just wanted to chat with gordon a little , for like 10 minutes. (on skype)

I know his time is very expensive , and i just want to explain my situation to him.
Then I will buy the course.

Is that possible ?
Or I am asking too much ?

Hi Sadsson,

i always respond to questions via email. Its just less complicated, but i will take my time to give you my best advice. You can also post your question here like others, unless its personal, then do email.

Via Skype i only do the 1-1 coaching. I also prefer email to avoid any confusion. Miscommunication can happen while talking via voice, but written emails are clear.
Hope that helps,

- Gordon

No problem. Wich email ? bestpokercoaching@gmail.com ?

what do you mean by "come across fake"? do you have any proof ?

this, or support@bestpokercoaching.com (its the same)